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Posted by G-Man (30304 posts) - - Show Bio

If you read this week's WOLVERINE #1, you know Logan's gone through some changes. Described as "the second season" of WOLVERINE, we're finding this isn't quite the Wolverine we're used to.

Wolverine is now with a group on the wrong side of the law, run by a man known as the Offer. It's not immediately clear what offer the Offer made to Logan or why he's sided with this group. The first four issues will jump back and forth between past and present to show us what made him change his ways.

In the second issue, we'll see SUPERIOR Spider-Man show up. This is like the typical conversations we've seen between the two during fights except things are a little turned around this time. It's Wolverine that is seeking advice from Spider-Man.

Ryan Stegman said, "For the most part, I'm trying to do what I do well. With Paul's scripts, the characters are very -- they have a lot of character, so I just try to bring that out. I'm actually using a little less black than I did before, but that's only because we brought on David Curiel, the colorist, who I think is really good at texture."

In issue #5, we find out the heroes of the Marvel Universe aren't too happy with Logan's new status and he has a run in with Thor, in a bar, of course.

WOLVERINE #5 by Ryan Stegman

It might seem out of character for Wolverine to be...misguided like this but he did go through a pretty traumatic defeat in the previous volume. Losing his healing factor on top of that is changing how he works. It's obvious that fans will get angry over this not being the Wolverine they know but Axel Alonso mentioned fans will get even angrier toward the end of the year. There will be controversy. That's what gets people talking, right? Many have already compared this to Dan Slott's SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN.

The idea of Wolverine's healing factor being taken away took some convincing. It's likely it will return someday. But with this story, for the first time, Wolverine can be killed. Now he is under threat and it puts him in a new situation.

Wolverine's relationship with the X-Men will be "strained and distant" as he's left that life behind. What about Jason LaTour's WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN relaunch in March? This new status quo will be addressed in the first few issues.

Here's a penciled look at WOLVERINE #3 and Art Adams' variant for #3.

Gerardo Sandoval will be doing an arc as well. Here's some inked pages from issue #5.

Here's the cover to WOLVERINE #6.

WOLVERINE #2 is on sale February 26.

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#1 Posted by lmothander (98 posts) - - Show Bio

Remember when Magneto ripped out his adamantium? That left him without a healing factor too... We've already been down this road. Stop recycling ideas.

#2 Posted by dondave (33445 posts) - - Show Bio

With the way Thor jobs, Wolverine is going to stomp him. I can already see it happening

#3 Posted by G-Man (30304 posts) - - Show Bio

@lmothander: Actually that's not what happened. His healing factor went into overdrive because it didn't have to compensate for the Adamantium being there...This is pretty much a different road.

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#4 Posted by Mucklefluga (2503 posts) - - Show Bio

Sounds interesting, I may get the trade. I still don't understand the need of the gauntlets tho.

#5 Posted by G-Man (30304 posts) - - Show Bio

@mucklefluga: No healing factor means when he pops his claws, they bust through his hands. Ouch? Infection? Loss of blood?

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#6 Posted by ptigrusmagus (481 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel's "seasons" excuse to keep putting out #1s is lame

#7 Posted by Novemberx2 (393 posts) - - Show Bio

I've not been reading this series since I dropped it pretty early on when i saw the "superior" gimmick (because that's what it is, a "how long can stretch this out before a return to status quo" gimmic) being repeated. but without his healing factor:

1) surely wolverines skeleton would kill him

2) even if it does, every time he pops the claws he would hurt himself

that said I don't see how removing his healing factor makes any difference. Every Marvel heal has an unspoken healing factor that allows them survive injuries that would kill a normal person.

#8 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32156 posts) - - Show Bio

I like this direction they are taking Wolverine, I was getting real tired of him being such a goody goody also I love that Stegman actually draws Wolverine like.. well Wolverine.

#9 Edited by Wolverine08 (38100 posts) - - Show Bio

This sucks. As has the entirety of Paul Cornell's time on Wolverine.

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#10 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32156 posts) - - Show Bio

@novemberx2: You can tell you'v dropped it by your 1) and 2)

#11 Posted by dondave (33445 posts) - - Show Bio

I've not been reading this series since I dropped it pretty early on when i saw the "superior" gimmick (because that's what it is, a "how long can stretch this out before a return to status quo" gimmic) being repeated. but without his healing factor:

1) surely wolverines skeleton would kill him

2) even if it does, every time he pops the claws he would hurt himself

that said I don't see how removing his healing factor makes any difference. Every Marvel heal has an unspoken healing factor that allows them survive injuries that would kill a normal person.

Beast created an antidote for the Adamantium Poisoning.

He stopped using his real claws and now uses a gauntlet that has claws on them.

#12 Posted by Wolverine08 (38100 posts) - - Show Bio

This whole series is so gimmicky it feels like 90's comics all over again.

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#13 Posted by Park (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

Did wolverine just make Thor flinch with a punch?

#14 Edited by ClawFist (295 posts) - - Show Bio

@g_man: If I recall correctly, I believe Wolverine did lose his healing factor when Magneto ripped the Adamantium from Logan's body, although it was temporary back then. The trauma overloaded his healing factor in order to save his life, that's why he had to wear bandages over his hands back then too.

It was when Genesis tried to re-bond the Adamantium to Logan's bones, that his body rejected the process and his healing factor was sent into overdrive and he started to physically mutate and all that. Awe bandanna Wolverine, how we miss you so lol.

All of this looks so great though, I like the new armored look, I really hope they apply the gauntlets eventually all over the Marvel titles. I'm the kind of guy that likes a status quo change like this to last for long while. Superior Spider-Man can stay for ten more years if I had a say lol. Not to keen on Logan's new ink though, a rose on the bicep xD

#15 Posted by lmothander (98 posts) - - Show Bio

@g_man: Actually that's not what happened. His healing factor went into overdrive because it didn't have to compensate for the Adamantium being there...This is pretty much a different road.

Actually it IS for the first few issues. He had no healing factor and all the baddies found out and came for him. I remember him fighting Lady DS, Cylla, Bloodscream with no healing factor. Wolverine 75-88

#16 Posted by Dark_Guyver (2266 posts) - - Show Bio

Well I enjoyed issue #1 and am looking forward on what's to come. Just as Peter Parker was bound to return in ASM, so is Wolverines healing factor. I've learned to just enjoy the ride (that is if I like the ride to begin with).

#17 Edited by IrishX (2266 posts) - - Show Bio

This sucks. As has the entirety of Paul Cornell's time on Wolverine.

I just can't wait to hear that he is no longer writing Wolverine. Marvel basically continues to take a big giant **** on Logan. I simply don't understand why they are so self destructive when it comes to him.

"Axel Alonso mentioned fans will get even angrier toward the end of the year. There will be controversy. That's what gets people talking, right?"

^ That's a joke right there. Why would you intentionally anger long time and loyal fans? Hey you know what else gets people talking?...... Good stories. If controversy is what matters most then I'm very sad because comic books have now turned into "reality tv" if that's truly the case.

#18 Posted by Wolverine08 (38100 posts) - - Show Bio

@irishx:

If controversy is what matters most then I'm very sad because comic books have now turned into "reality tv" if that's truly the case.

Yikes man, I think you seriously got down this whole fiasco right here. It just seems that right now Marvel wants to be as controversial as they can possibly be with their most popular heroes like Spider-Man and Wolverine. Drama, drama, and more drama. How can we amp up the drama some more? There is a big difference between trying a new direction and just writing shock value stuff. I would seriously like to see the numbers behind this, because I'm not sure all this nonsense is really worth downgrading someone who's most likely Marvel's most popular hero after Spider-Man.

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#19 Posted by 2cool4fun (1344 posts) - - Show Bio

So Cyclops is a terrible character, Magneto is a hero, Venom's a hero, Dr. Octopus is Spider-Man & now Wolverine is a bad guy? Just genius Marvel...

#20 Posted by lykopis (10756 posts) - - Show Bio

@irishx said:

@wolverine08 said:

This sucks. As has the entirety of Paul Cornell's time on Wolverine.

I just can't wait to hear that he is no longer writing Wolverine. Marvel basically continues to take a big giant **** on Logan. I simply don't understand why they are so self destructive when it comes to him.

"Axel Alonso mentioned fans will get even angrier toward the end of the year. There will be controversy. That's what gets people talking, right?"

^ That's a joke right there. Why would you intentionally anger long time and loyal fans? Hey you know what else gets people talking?...... Good stories. If controversy is what matters most then I'm very sad because comic books have now turned into "reality tv" if that's truly the case.

Yep.

And because of all the noise Superior Spider-Man made, this is why Wolverine is being taken down this road. Not too subtle hint in that the two meet up soon.

I do like how Wolverine is being drawn though. That, I have no issue with and actually, loudly applaud. However, when taking the character's history into consideration -- seriously - (and this is from someone who has read every story with him in it (aside from probably a few guest appearances that didn't involve an X-Man) , I do not find it believable that Logan would turn or whatever else is being implied here. Plus, considering how one of his most closest and dearest friends had died recently (uhm, hello -- Rogue?) and he hasn't even made a boo sound over it, further annoys.

I wanted to like this -- I really did. I had hoped what I read from other fans would come to fruition. I was looking forward to finally, FINALLY, having a story where Logan's fighting skills and humanity could be showcased once again (when he was most likable as a character) but nope. Not here. From a cheesy reference to some convoluted new "Fastball Special" which made no sense because -- you know -- Wolverine is the ball, not the thrower? - to behaving, or rather, continuing to behave out-of character, there is just nothing to enjoy in this title. For me, as a Wolverine fan. I am sure it will be enjoyed by others. I appreciate the quality and talent of the writing, but the story itself, no. This bit about controversy and so on? Just makes me tired of hoping for better.

I might pick up this book if it matters to the Marvel Universe at large (I am sure there will be a tie-in somewhere which will necessitate it) but outside of that, I am seeing this as an alternate universe. And by that, I hope other 616 stories and characters are not involved in future issues.

#21 Posted by LCazT1996 (518 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel's "seasons" excuse to keep putting out #1s is lame

I don't mind the "seasons" idea...

#22 Posted by LCazT1996 (518 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis: Well I mean they already referenced Logan's lack of a healing factor in Superior Spider-Man 25. And it's going to affect the new Wolverine and the X-Menseries.

#23 Posted by ClawFist (295 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis: I might recommend reading Jason Aaron's stuff. All of his Wolverine stuff. It's very rewarding for any big time Wolverine fan, and it's a crazy ride. Wolverine's time in Rick Remender's Uncanny X-Force is also wild, and if you look closely sometimes references Jason Aaron's work at times. Check out this listing off to the right. I'm just letting you know as one big time Wolverine fan looking out for another :D

#24 Posted by Wolverine08 (38100 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis: Shhhhhhh Lyko. Marvel doesn't care about the demands of Wolverine fangirls like yourself! Let us men deal with Wolverine related topics :D

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#25 Edited by laflux (13729 posts) - - Show Bio

"Axel Alonso mentioned fans will get even angrier toward the end of the year. There will be controversy. That's what gets people talking, right?"

*to @wolverine08*

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#26 Posted by laflux (13729 posts) - - Show Bio
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#27 Posted by Wolverine08 (38100 posts) - - Show Bio
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#28 Posted by lykopis (10756 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis: Well I mean they already referenced Logan's lack of a healing factor in Superior Spider-Man 25. And it's going to affect the new Wolverine and the X-Menseries.

Nuuuuu......**cries**

@clawfist said:

@lykopis: I might recommend reading Jason Aaron's stuff. All of his Wolverine stuff. It's very rewarding for any big time Wolverine fan, and it's a crazy ride. Wolverine's time in Rick Remender's Uncanny X-Force is also wild, and if you look closely sometimes references Jason Aaron's work at times. Check out this listing off to the right. I'm just letting you know as one big time Wolverine fan looking out for another :D

That is an awesome list. Aaron I did enjoy and Remender's X-Force was top-notch. Thank you so much for this: I am just going to re-immerse myself in those titles again, to ease the pain. You have done a good deed, sir.

#29 Posted by laflux (13729 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: WHERE'S YOUR F*CKING FIREBALLS NOW B!TCH!!!!!!!

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#30 Edited by Wolverine08 (38100 posts) - - Show Bio

@clawfist said:

@lykopis: I might recommend reading Jason Aaron's stuff. All of his Wolverine stuff. It's very rewarding for any big time Wolverine fan, and it's a crazy ride. Wolverine's time in Rick Remender's Uncanny X-Force is also wild, and if you look closely sometimes references Jason Aaron's work at times. Check out this listing off to the right. I'm just letting you know as one big time Wolverine fan looking out for another :D

Aaron's Wolverine was pretty good. Uncanny X-Force as well. Would give anything to have that back.

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#31 Posted by Wolverine08 (38100 posts) - - Show Bio
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#32 Edited by lykopis (10756 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux:

@lykopis: Shhhhhhh Lyko. Marvel doesn't care about the demands of Wolverine fangirls like yourself! Let us men deal with Wolverine related topics :D

Men are f*cking it up. That's the problem...

#33 Posted by laflux (13729 posts) - - Show Bio
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#34 Posted by Wolverine08 (38100 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis: Don't worry! All that testosterone in our heads will eventually allow us to wake up and fix this situation!

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#35 Edited by Wolverine08 (38100 posts) - - Show Bio
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#36 Posted by laflux (13729 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis:

My Girlfriend actually did that a week ago *don't ask*. But honestly, this sucks for Wolverine fans. The only shining light is that Stegman is a top class artist and I only wish that Spider-Man still had him instead of *sighs* Ramos...........

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#37 Edited by darknightspideyfanboy (1178 posts) - - Show Bio

can someone explain to me what was so controversial about this i mean i read it but i wasnt shock or awe or hell even angry just straight up bored

#38 Posted by laflux (13729 posts) - - Show Bio

can someone explain to me what was so controversial about this i mean i read i wasnt shock or awe or hell even angry just straight up bored

Marvel seem to be confusing Controversial and Unpopular as of late. Controversial at least implies that a decent proportion of people actually like it.........

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#39 Edited by lykopis (10756 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux:

I like your girlfriend.

@wolverine08 said:

@lykopis: Don't worry! All that testosterone in our heads will eventually allow us to wake up and fix this situation!

We're doomed.

@darknightspideyfanboy said:

can someone explain to me what was so controversial about this i mean i read i wasnt shock or awe or hell even angry just straight up bored

Honestly, it's just hyper speculation from me at this point. But when the creative team is telling fans things are going to get "controversial", all I see is shades-of-superior and expect the worst. Expecting the worst is a good position for me to take, lately.

#40 Posted by Wolverine08 (38100 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine as we know him is over! Get ready for Superior Wolverine! Daken's back, and he's taking his daddy's body with him!

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#41 Edited by New_World_Order (12338 posts) - - Show Bio

I already see it coming. Marvel please stop adding Thor into other comic books to make a story, because it seems like a few can write him nowadays.

Really? A punch from Wolverine can actually make Thor's head turn? He shouldn't have been fazed. Well now that I know what's going to happen, I can brace myself and get ready for the "Even more scans of why Thor is slower than Wolverine from Viners".

@park said:

Did wolverine just make Thor flinch with a punch?

*Sighs* Yes.

#42 Edited by LCazT1996 (518 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux said:

@lykopis:

My Girlfriend actually did that a week ago *don't ask*. But honestly, this sucks for Wolverine fans. The only shining light is that Stegman is a top class artist and I only wish that Spider-Man still had him instead of *sighs* Ramos...........

Hahahahahaha ohmigods I can't stop laughing.

#43 Posted by Mucklefluga (2503 posts) - - Show Bio

@g_man: Infections, i'll go with that. I was thinking to myself surely it hurts when he pops out his claws when he still has his healing factor, so why would he care now. Yeah, but that makes sense.

(I'm not calling you Shirley ;D)

#44 Edited by ArturoCalaKayVee (10911 posts) - - Show Bio

Enjoyed this issue because it shows a different kind of bad ass, and perfectly drawn, Wolverine but I feel like this series completely destroys the character development Wolverine has made and this especially makes him even more of a hypocrite in his argument against Scott. I'm all for evil-esque Wolverine but now wasn't the time to do it in my opinion. (I'll still be reading this series because its bad ass though)

#45 Posted by jwalser3 (4796 posts) - - Show Bio

Love the uniform, hate his hair.

#47 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6133 posts) - - Show Bio

I can wait and see where Cornell will take the loss of healing factor Wolverine. I mean, he has to exhibit top tier skill consistently now right? Right??? (Here's hoping that's what happens, and that whensoever the healing schtick comes back, use of skill sticks around.)

I can even be somewhat patient with this new evilesque "direction" they're taking Wolverine.(I can only hope Scott kicks him when he's down as well).

The serious, all encompassing issue I have is with the "freaken" rose tattoo. Seriously. Holy gimmicky Batman. Gimme a break.

#48 Posted by Lazz33 (25 posts) - - Show Bio

@ptigrusmagus said:

Marvel's "seasons" excuse to keep putting out #1s is lame

I don't mind the "seasons" idea...

Nor do I. Its an easy way to keep track of arcs, and really #1 issues don't mean want they did 30 years ago. I'm all for new Chapters or seasons.

#49 Posted by RisingBean (3548 posts) - - Show Bio

@irishx:

If controversy is what matters most then I'm very sad because comic books have now turned into "reality tv" if that's truly the case.

Yikes man, I think you seriously got down this whole fiasco right here. It just seems that right now Marvel wants to be as controversial as they can possibly be with their most popular heroes like Spider-Man and Wolverine. Drama, drama, and more drama. How can we amp up the drama some more? There is a big difference between trying a new direction and just writing shock value stuff. I would seriously like to see the numbers behind this, because I'm not sure all this nonsense is really worth downgrading someone who's most likely Marvel's most popular hero after Spider-Man.

You two took the words out of my mouth. Controversy does not a good comic make. But Marvel can deal with my anger with the loss of my cashflow. If enough people think like me, Cornell will be writing some D list hero soon enough and the maybe the big dogs like Axel may be put out to pasture.

#50 Posted by GoldenAvenger (89 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

With the way Thor jobs, Wolverine is going to stomp him. I can already see it happening

lol