My blog on Thor vs Hulk, who should win?

More complete BS.

I don't know what sickens me more.

How Thor and Superman fanboys hold their heroes above everyone else on some delusional pedastel of false superiority, or the fact that they honestly think they're above any powerhouses like The Hulk or Juggernaut.

They always take into fact Thor or Superman's greatest feats and abilities without actually taking into consideration of the Hulk equally, and a lot of time superior, feats and abilities.

They never take everything into consideration.

They make the same lame excuses.

Thor always holds back. Lie. Thor went full Warrior Madness and still couldn't put Hulk down.

Hulk only stands up to Thor because of favoritism. Another lie. Both characters are immensely popular.

Want to know some truth? When writers, old or new, ask the question of who'd win between Hulk vs. Thor, guess what 95% of them say?

Standstill. Too evenly matched. That's it right there, my friend. Hulk and Thor are equals. They're Marvel's most powerful heavyhitters.

Accept it and get on with you lives.

@Old_Chris said:

@Fifthchild said:

This is true. Or at least it depends what "reality" you are talking about. In the comics/movies etc Hulk is in the same league as these characters and sometimes even seems a bit more powerful.

Firstly, movies are irrelevant as they are mostly based off the fan base of characters, hence Hulk beating the tar out of Thor then having trouble with Captain America.

Secondly, the only reason why Hulk appears to be "in the same league", or "sometimes more powerful", to these high level beings is strictly because of some kind of factor that makes it that way. I'm not just saying this, its really how it is.

etc

Thanks for illustrating exactly what i was talking about.

@GreenScar1990 said:

More complete BS.

I don't know what sickens me more.

How Thor and Superman fanboys hold their heroes above everyone else on some delusional pedastel of false superiority, or the fact that they honestly think they're above any powerhouses like The Hulk or Juggernaut.

They always take into fact Thor or Superman's greatest feats and abilities without actually taking into consideration of the Hulk equally, and a lot of time superior, feats and abilities.

They never take everything into consideration.

They make the same lame excuses.

Thor always holds back. Lie. Thor went full Warrior Madness and still couldn't put Hulk down.

Hulk only stands up to Thor because of favoritism. Another lie. Both characters are immensely popular.

Want to know some truth? When writers, old or new, ask the question of who'd win between Hulk vs. Thor, guess what 95% of them say?

Standstill. Too evenly matched. That's it right there, my friend. Hulk and Thor are equals. They're Marvel's most powerful heavyhitters.

Accept it and get on with you lives.

so to round up your post basicaly sums up to ME HULK FANBOY ME SMASH THOR FANS RAAAAAGGEE

@Z3RO180: No, my post screams respect every Marvel & DC powerhouses who are truly equal in might instead of pathetic, time wasting conversations between individuals who can't accept the facts, love their individual characters, hero and villain alike, and move on with their lives.

It's that simple.

@GreenScar1990: so yes Nerdrage

They should be evenly matched in a physical fight. Only problem is when you factor in Thor's other powers really. He could just fly up and blast him from the sky and Hulk wouldn't have an answer for that.

@Z3RO180: Whatever.

@GreenScar1990:

@Z3RO180: Heh. Very mature. Would you like a cup of juice while we're at it?

@GreenScar1990: yes i would grape if you please and do hurry im thirsty :)

@Z3RO180: There's the fridge. Get up off your ass and get it yourself. ;)

@GreenScar1990 said:

How Thor and Superman fanboys hold their heroes above everyone else on some delusional pedastel of false superiority, or the fact that they honestly think they're above any powerhouses like The Hulk or Juggernaut.

Considering who's talking the irony is quite thickening.

They always take into fact Thor or Superman's greatest feats and abilities without actually taking into consideration of the Hulk equally, and a lot of time superior, feats and abilities.

Depends on what category your talking about. Strength? Sure. I definitely think Hulks strength is up there. But when you take into account the fact that Thor has powers and abilities that Hulk has zero answers for, he kind of pales in comparison.

Thor always holds back. Lie. Thor went full Warrior Madness and still couldn't put Hulk down.

If you had actually read a little more you would know that Thor in that fight was not functioning at anywhere near normal power levels. It was implied that a freaking nuke was going to kill him for gods sake. The same WM Thor that actually was at full power beat Beta Ray Bill and Silver Surfer at the same time and most of the Infinity Watch and shattered a planetoid with one hit.

Want to know some truth? When writers, old or new, ask the question of who'd win between Hulk vs. Thor, guess what 95% of them say?

Stan Lee said Thor was better.

Standstill. Too evenly matched. That's it right there, my friend. Hulk and Thor are equals. They're Marvel's most powerful heavyhitters.

In terms of a physical brawl? Sure. There is tons of proof and evidence to support this claim. But when you take into account overall feats, powers, and abilities Thor is way out of his league.

@GreenScar1990: cant i live in the uk. Fed ex it to me >:)

@Z3RO180: this convo is just LMFAO

@Old_Chris said:

@GreenScar1990 said:

How Thor and Superman fanboys hold their heroes above everyone else on some delusional pedastel of false superiority, or the fact that they honestly think they're above any powerhouses like The Hulk or Juggernaut.

Considering who's talking the irony is quite thickening.

They always take into fact Thor or Superman's greatest feats and abilities without actually taking into consideration of the Hulk equally, and a lot of time superior, feats and abilities.

Depends on what category your talking about. Strength? Sure. I definitely think Hulks strength is up there. But when you take into account the fact that Thor has powers and abilities that Hulk has zero answers for, he kind of pales in comparison.

Thor always holds back. Lie. Thor went full Warrior Madness and still couldn't put Hulk down.

If you had actually read a little more you would know that Thor in that fight was not functioning at anywhere near normal power levels. It was implied that a freaking nuke was going to kill him for gods sake. The same WM Thor that actually was at full power beat Beta Ray Bill and Silver Surfer at the same time and most of the Infinity Watch and shattered a planetoid with one hit.

Want to know some truth? When writers, old or new, ask the question of who'd win between Hulk vs. Thor, guess what 95% of them say?

Stan Lee said Thor was better.

Standstill. Too evenly matched. That's it right there, my friend. Hulk and Thor are equals. They're Marvel's most powerful heavyhitters.

In terms of a physical brawl? Sure. There is tons of proof and evidence to support this claim. But when you take into account overall feats, powers, and abilities Thor is way out of his league.

If you mean Mjolnir grants Thor tons of powers that maybe give him the slightest edge, then yes, I'd agree to that.

And in that fight between Hulk and Warrior Madness Thor, it was made clear that Thor was up to full power and functioning before he went up against the Hulk in battle.

And the same Thor that beat Beta-Ray Bill and Surfer? Beta-Ray was beating him down until Surfer got involved. And I would like to add that Thor also had Mjolnir and the Power Gem while in this particular conflict. Two powerful arcane weapons/items make a huge difference in any conflict.

Stan Lee said this, Stan Lee says that. I also remember him saying that he himself doesn't/wouldn't know the outcomes of these battles and the events of these characters. Doesn't matter, because like it or not, you ask any neutral fan of both characters and they'll state quite clearly that these two powerhouses are equals.

Take a look at Dark Avengers #185 written by Jeff Parker, who loves both characters and is totally unbiased, in which the current storyline takes place in an alternate timeline/universe/reality. In that reality, Hulk and Thor fought an epic battle that nearly destroyed New York State! And the result of such of class killed them both. Neither Hulk or Thor survived.

If that doesn't make them equals, nothing does.

So, in other words, Hulk and Thor are in the same league.

Neither is above the other.

Does Thor have more powers than Hulk, mostly due to Mjolnir? Yes.

Does that make him superior to Hulk in any way? No.

It's as simple as that.

@TheAcidSkull said:

@Z3RO180 said:

@GreenScar1990: yes i would grape if you please and do hurry im thirsty :)

He is telling the truth.

Thor fan wank thor up to an immeasurable level, and if he were a fanboy, he'd say hulk smashes thor, but if you pay attention he says that they are equal. so stop being stubborn man.

Exactly!

I'm appraoching this subject in a neutral demeanor!

They're equals.

Accept it and leave it at that.

Neither side is going to give, so why bother this pointless discussion?

Instead of focusing on who is better than who, why not consider the awesomeness that could happen if these two would team-up!

I mean, what force could stand against the combined might of Hulk & Thor?!

Hulk

@GreenScar1990 said:

If you mean Mjolnir grants Thor tons of powers that maybe give him the slightest edge, then yes, I'd agree to that.

And in that fight between Hulk and Warrior Madness Thor, it was made clear that Thor was up to full power and functioning before he went up against the Hulk in battle.

And the same Thor that beat Beta-Ray Bill and Surfer? Beta-Ray was beating him down until Surfer got involved. And I would like to add that Thor also had Mjolnir and the Power Gem while in this particular conflict. Two powerful arcane weapons/items make a huge difference in any conflict.

Stan Lee said this, Stan Lee says that. I also remember him saying that he himself doesn't/wouldn't know the outcomes of these battles and the events of these characters. Doesn't matter, because like it or not, you ask any neutral fan of both characters and they'll state quite clearly that these two powerhouses are equals.

Take a look at Dark Avengers #185 written by Jeff Parker, who loves both characters and is totally unbiased, in which the current storyline takes place in an alternate timeline/universe/reality. In that reality, Hulk and Thor fought an epic battle that nearly destroyed New York State! And the result of such of class killed them both. Neither Hulk or Thor survived.

If that doesn't make them equals, nothing does.

So, in other words, Hulk and Thor are in the same league.

Neither is above the other.

Does Thor have more powers than Hulk, mostly due to Mjolnir? Yes.

Does that make him superior to Hulk in any way? No.

It's as simple as that.

Yeah...that is what I meant.

Not true. When Thor stated he had regained his powers, it was only the full power of what he was functioning off of at the time. If memory serves right he was functioning off The Leader, so there's reason to believe he was at normal power levels.

Actually Thor was giving him a beat down pretty well. He did manage to down Thor, this is true, and a pretty impressive showing for Bill, but Thor still won in the end. Thor in that fight did not have the Power Gem. He received that later on. He did have Mjolnir, but once again I am unsure why you continue to imply you have a problem with it. Its standard stuff for him, so he also going to be using it against Hulk. Or are you going to take that away because you don't like it?

I have seen some writers that are in favor of Thor, others Hulk. Either way, I do not think the opinions of different writers should be strictly based on to determine how they overall compare against each other.

So your saying if a single fight that isn't even cannon doesn't prove their equals nothing does? Faulty.

Thor having superior powers and a more effective power set VERY much puts him above Hulk. You saying there is nothing in Thor's arsenal that puts him out of Hulks league is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.

Thor could just drain his gamma. Nothing Hulk can do about that.

Or repeatedly bombard him with lightning until he passes out. Nothing Hulk can do about that.

Or use Winds from a 1000 Worlds, an attack that hurt a sky father level being that had never felt pain before, and Hulk would be dead.

Or use transmutation to shrink Hulk like he did Hyperion then instantly squash him afterwards. Nothing Hulk can do about that.

Or use his teleportation to take Hulk to the suns core where he would be vaporized instantly. Nothing Hulk can do about that.

And it gets even better. While Hulk tries to punch him, because that's literally all he can even do besides thunder clapping, Thor can easily just use his FTL flight speed to stay out of his reach. On top of that, hes durable enough to withstand his hits anyway.

I could go on, but I think I've made my point. Hulk is simply outclassed. He doesn't stand a chance against Thor.

I personaly don't see the purpose of wondering who is stronger than the other, since in the end it is the writers who determine the outcome of every fight and if they want it to go oneway, it will go that way. Personaly although I consider them roughly even in physical strength, at least when Hulk is at base andThor having access to a wider range of powers, a fight between them should end in a stalemate- wasn't that the status quo for years- that there was no clear victor between these two? Though if one does get of a win the other should get one as well at somepoint to balance it out. Thats my point of view anyway.

@Danvidar: If it was that simple lol just balance things out xD

@Old_Chris said:

@GreenScar1990 said:

If you mean Mjolnir grants Thor tons of powers that maybe give him the slightest edge, then yes, I'd agree to that.

And in that fight between Hulk and Warrior Madness Thor, it was made clear that Thor was up to full power and functioning before he went up against the Hulk in battle.

And the same Thor that beat Beta-Ray Bill and Surfer? Beta-Ray was beating him down until Surfer got involved. And I would like to add that Thor also had Mjolnir and the Power Gem while in this particular conflict. Two powerful arcane weapons/items make a huge difference in any conflict.

Stan Lee said this, Stan Lee says that. I also remember him saying that he himself doesn't/wouldn't know the outcomes of these battles and the events of these characters. Doesn't matter, because like it or not, you ask any neutral fan of both characters and they'll state quite clearly that these two powerhouses are equals.

Take a look at Dark Avengers #185 written by Jeff Parker, who loves both characters and is totally unbiased, in which the current storyline takes place in an alternate timeline/universe/reality. In that reality, Hulk and Thor fought an epic battle that nearly destroyed New York State! And the result of such of class killed them both. Neither Hulk or Thor survived.

If that doesn't make them equals, nothing does.

So, in other words, Hulk and Thor are in the same league.

Neither is above the other.

Does Thor have more powers than Hulk, mostly due to Mjolnir? Yes.

Does that make him superior to Hulk in any way? No.

It's as simple as that.

Yeah...that is what I meant.

Not true. When Thor stated he had regained his powers, it was only the full power of what he was functioning off of at the time. If memory serves right he was functioning off The Leader, so there's reason to believe he was at normal power levels.

Actually Thor was giving him a beat down pretty well. He did manage to down Thor, this is true, and a pretty impressive showing for Bill, but Thor still won in the end. Thor in that fight did not have the Power Gem. He received that later on. He did have Mjolnir, but once again I am unsure why you continue to imply you have a problem with it. Its standard stuff for him, so he also going to be using it against Hulk. Or are you going to take that away because you don't like it?

I have seen some writers that are in favor of Thor, others Hulk. Either way, I do not think the opinions of different writers should be strictly based on to determine how they overall compare against each other.

So your saying if a single fight that isn't even cannon doesn't prove their equals nothing does? Faulty.

Thor having superior powers and a more effective power set VERY much puts him above Hulk. You saying there is nothing in Thor's arsenal that puts him out of Hulks league is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.

Thor could just drain his gamma. Nothing Hulk can do about that.

Or repeatedly bombard him with lightning until he passes out. Nothing Hulk can do about that.

Or use Winds from a 1000 Worlds, an attack that hurt a sky father level being that had never felt pain before, and Hulk would be dead.

Or use transmutation to shrink Hulk like he did Hyperion then instantly squash him afterwards. Nothing Hulk can do about that.

Or use his teleportation to take Hulk to the suns core where he would be vaporized instantly. Nothing Hulk can do about that.

And it gets even better. While Hulk tries to punch him, because that's literally all he can even do besides thunder clapping, Thor can easily just use his FTL flight speed to stay out of his reach. On top of that, hes durable enough to withstand his hits anyway.

I could go on, but I think I've made my point. Hulk is simply outclassed. He doesn't stand a chance against Thor.

Yeah, bringing in Mjolnir to a fight is fair. Believe that if you want. I guess you would see bringing a powerful mystical weapon with countless abilities within it as fair.

Thor using Mjonlir to drain Hulk of his energy. It may work on some incarnations, but Hulk, especially those of the Green Scar/WWH incarnation, have shown to be immune to this tactic. Red Hulk, who drained the Silver Surfer to the point it killed him, was able to drain Savage Hulk, yet was completely unable to drain the Green Scar incarnation.

And once again you boast these so-called superior powers that delusionally puts Thor above Hulk.

Thor bombarding Hulk with lightning would only increase his rage and the survival adaptation that his body allows him to survive.

And transmutation, including shrinking through transmutation, has proven ineffective against the Savage Hulk... including a monstrous being who could transmutate/shrink entire cities with ease. So what makes you think Thor using Mjolnir will fair any better?

And teleporting Hulk to the sun isn't going to destroy him. He's withstood far worse. And if you'd studied science, you should know that the very core of the sun is nothing but pure gamma energy in which Hulk has and can absorb, as he has also shown absorbing cosmic and solor radiation on more than one occassion. And if you're going for the black hole defense, that isn't going to work either, 'cause Hulk has shown to resist and smash his way through dimensions, wormholes, and blackholes in the past. True, if Thor wanted a easy win, he might BFR Hulk, but who is to say that Banner hasn't given Hulk teleportation tech or equipped his with rocket boosters?

And the winds from a 1,000 worlds? Yeah, we're talking about the Hulk, who thunderclapped an entire dimensional universe into nothing, ripped Nightmare's own dimensional/universal realm asunder with pure force alone, and survived a cosmic time-storm that Kang's most armored vessels were unable to contend with. How many beings can best a demon lord like Nightmare, Dormmamu, etc. in their own domain? And there is no real proof Glory was a Sky-Father heavy hitter. If that'd be the case, Thor should've been put down, 'cause Odin and Zeus have easily downed Thor without much effort.

But ask yourself this when regardining all those mentioned: Can Thor do any of those abilities without Mjolnir?

No. You see, that's his crutch. That's his failsafe, his biggest gun, because he knows without it he wouldn't get far. Come to think of it, when has Thor ever beaten any enemy without Mjolnir, the OdinForce, the OdinSword Ragnorak, or some other immensely powerful arcane weapon or massive plot device?

Since you want to give some examples of how you thought Thor could 'take out' Hulk, let me give you some examples of how Hulk could deal with Thor.

Hulk breaks Thor's neck, snapping the spine for an instant kill. Thor may be a god, but he isn't known for his healing.

Hulk shatters Mjolnir, thus forcing Thor into an all-physical fight. Like it or not, the weapon can and has been destroyed numerous times in the past. It's not impossible for Hulk to shatter it. In fact, Hulk did crush the enchanted uru hammer of Nul: Breaker of Worlds with his bare hands just when the Serpent/Cul and his Worthy were at the height of their power.

Hulk could physically beat Thor to death. It's happened to the Thunder God before. There's no reason why Hulk wouldn't be able to accomplish it. He's already beaten Thor within an inch of his life more than once.

Hulk could dismember/disembowl Thor. Like I said, Thor doesn't have the luxury of an intense healing factor. In fact, if one takes into account of Young Thor's fight against Gorr the God Butcher. He was gravely wounded, remaining unconscious for seven days and his wounds still weren't fully healed then.

I'm not bashing Thor here. What I'm doing here is trying to change these biased views. Like it or not, Hulk and Thor are pretty much equals in power. It's just that Mjolnir and the powers within it are what makes the conflict between the two titans more even. And you know what? I accept it.

@GreenScar1990 said:

Yeah, bringing in Mjolnir to a fight is fair. Believe that if you want. I guess you would see bringing a powerful mystical weapon with countless abilities within it as fair.

Thor using Mjonlir to drain Hulk of his energy. It may work on some incarnations, but Hulk, especially those of the Green Scar/WWH incarnation, have shown to be immune to this tactic. Red Hulk, who drained the Silver Surfer to the point it killed him, was able to drain Savage Hulk, yet was completely unable to drain the Green Scar incarnation.

And once again you boast these so-called superior powers that delusionally puts Thor above Hulk.

Thor bombarding Hulk with lightning would only increase his rage and the survival adaptation that his body allows him to survive.

And transmutation, including shrinking through transmutation, has proven ineffective against the Savage Hulk... including a monstrous being who could transmutate/shrink entire cities with ease. So what makes you think Thor using Mjolnir will fair any better?

And teleporting Hulk to the sun isn't going to destroy him. He's withstood far worse. And if you'd studied science, you should know that the very core of the sun is nothing but pure gamma energy in which Hulk has and can absorb, as he has also shown absorbing cosmic and solor radiation on more than one occassion. And if you're going for the black hole defense, that isn't going to work either, 'cause Hulk has shown to resist and smash his way through dimensions, wormholes, and blackholes in the past. True, if Thor wanted a easy win, he might BFR Hulk, but who is to say that Banner hasn't given Hulk teleportation tech or equipped his with rocket boosters?

And the winds from a 1,000 worlds? Yeah, we're talking about the Hulk, who thunderclapped an entire dimensional universe into nothing, ripped Nightmare's own dimensional/universal realm asunder with pure force alone, and survived a cosmic time-storm that Kang's most armored vessels were unable to contend with. How many beings can best a demon lord like Nightmare, Dormmamu, etc. in their own domain? And there is no real proof Glory was a Sky-Father heavy hitter. If that'd be the case, Thor should've been put down, 'cause Odin and Zeus have easily downed Thor without much effort.

But ask yourself this when regardining all those mentioned: Can Thor do any of those abilities without Mjolnir?

No. You see, that's his crutch. That's his failsafe, his biggest gun, because he knows without it he wouldn't get far. Come to think of it, when has Thor ever beaten any enemy without Mjolnir, the OdinForce, the OdinSword Ragnorak, or some other immensely powerful arcane weapon or massive plot device?

Since you want to give some examples of how you thought Thor could 'take out' Hulk, let me give you some examples of how Hulk could deal with Thor.

Hulk breaks Thor's neck, snapping the spine for an instant kill. Thor may be a god, but he isn't known for his healing.

Hulk shatters Mjolnir, thus forcing Thor into an all-physical fight. Like it or not, the weapon can and has been destroyed numerous times in the past. It's not impossible for Hulk to shatter it. In fact, Hulk did crush the enchanted uru hammer of Nul: Breaker of Worlds with his bare hands just when the Serpent/Cul and his Worthy were at the height of their power.

Hulk could physically beat Thor to death. It's happened to the Thunder God before. There's no reason why Hulk wouldn't be able to accomplish it. He's already beaten Thor within an inch of his life more than once.

Hulk could dismember/disembowl Thor. Like I said, Thor doesn't have the luxury of an intense healing factor. In fact, if one takes into account of Young Thor's fight against Gorr the God Butcher. He was gravely wounded, remaining unconscious for seven days and his wounds still weren't fully healed then.

I'm not bashing Thor here. What I'm doing here is trying to change these biased views. Like it or not, Hulk and Thor are pretty much equals in power. It's just that Mjolnir and the powers within it are what makes the conflict between the two titans more even. And you know what? I accept it.

What part of "Mjolnir is standard equipment for Thor" do you not understand? At this point your just getting desperate.

Hardly immunity. Red Hulks power levels have gone from what he did in his old Loeb days to getting owned by She Hulk. Not a very accurate comparison if you ask me. Resisting getting drained from Red Hulk certainly doesn't mean you can do the same towards someone like Thor who has absorbed energy capable of destroying a galaxy. Furthermore, I'm talking about Savage Hulk.

Is that so? When Thor used his lightning he dropped Hulk in a single bolt. Where was his increasing rage and adaption there? To give him the benefit of the doubt I do not believe every single time Thor uses lightning against Hulk he will go down in one bolt, however there is evidence to suggest he can still do so with relative ease.

What are you talking about? It actually did work. If your talking about the Goom incident as I am, his beams did work, Hulk just grew back after a short time due to being really angry, anger that I doubt he will have in the beginning of a fight. Anyway, instead of waiting for him to grow back like Goom did, Thor will just squash him instantly. No more Hulk.

Savage Hulk has never resisted temperatures even remotely close the suns core, which is 27 million degrees. Hell, his body has been shown to burn up on re entry to the Earth on more than one occasion. Er, our sun gives out solar rays, not gamma. Or, it does give out gamma rays but not nearly enough to help him out before hes vaporized by the heat.

Oh sure, because Hulk withstanding and thunder clapping away an attack that destroyed a universe makes so much sense. Hulk also could barely withstand a whisper from Black Bolt. I don't really think a whisper from Black Bolt can dish out damage on par with a universe busting attack. Ripping apart Nightmares realm isn't a durability feat, so not sure why that helps, and does Nightmare even have any feats? Or is there even any proof of how big is realm is anyway? If you have evidence that the cosmic-time attack was on par with an attack like Winds from a 1000 Worlds then show it. Uh, Hulk has never bested Dormammu anywhere. Actually, the only encounter I have ever even seen between them is when Dormammu effortlessly turned Hulk to stone without any problems. Glory was stated in an interview to be sky father level.

For the love of god, get over yourself already. Mjolnir is and always has been standard equipment for Thor. Go cry about it elsewhere. Oh, and how about this, would Hulk be able to do all the stuff he does without having good strength? That's what I thought.

Break Thor's neck? What a terrific argument.

Shatters Mjolnir.....Jesus. Hulk fans have the best arguments ever. They really do.

Hulk has had his chance to beat Thor to death plenty of times and the best he can usually do is fight to a standstill. Hes never done so either. The closest hes even came to that was actually when he cheap and surprised attacked Thor, so your argument fails.

Well it really is too bad that Thor can easily just stay out of range and out speed him making that tactic irrelevant. Then he just does anything I already mentioned above and Hulk is dead forever.

Before you go on the mission of changing the biased views of others I highly recommend you first do the same to your own words. Everything you have been saying has revolved around you ranting on about how butthurt you are over Thor having the hammer, making misconstrued claims, making irrelevant claims, and making silly arguments that only a fan boy would attempt to bring up, and attempting to debate with stronger versions of Hulk while I'm using the regular Thor. Congratulations.

By the way, Thor still murders Hulk based on the abilities I have mentioned which you failed rather miserably to counter.

No. the sun actually does emit gamma. "Solar" is just another word for the sun. The sun emits all kinds of radiation, and the strongest is gamma radiation. gamma is energy just like x-rays,ultraviolet,visible light ,and micro waves. Even the not-so-massive amounts of gamma must be measured in nano and picometers. Any radiation that is 1000 times beyond x-rays and above is classified as gamma rays.

Hulk has dropped Thor with and Hulk has dropped Thor. There pretty even. They're on the same level but the Hulk has the advantage of unlimited power at his disposal while Thor has more verstatility.

They both lack something valueble that the other has. Neither is perfect. The imperfection are what make the character.

Thor relies on having just enough power and uses it in different ways to be a more effective superhero. His disadvantage is that, even in cases where he has the vast power of the OdinForce, he's still limited in power.

The Hulk sheer limitless power with less finesse means he's more inclined to destruction, and it's that much harder for him to save anyone other than himself. it's no surprise Hulk is known as a monster instead of a superhero.

When Thor has mjolnir, he wields in part, the power of Asgard. The Hammer does not give Thor his powers as the mighty son of Odin, or the Norse God of Thunder, It merely enhances his already great powers while also giving him some extra tools,

Being put into a spactial singularity is not a bid deal for characters with this level of power. To guys as powerful as this, that's just a cheap trick because they've been shown to hold their own against such forces.

Draining Hulk's energy until he reverts to Banner is a good idea. Draining every last drop of him is a bad idea and with only make Hulk fight back, bcasue the more he body is strained, the stronger he gets. You can drain Hulk, but don't push it to the point of trying to destroy him. Threatening this guy's personal well-being never turns out well for the offender and trying to destroy him is a pointless effort.

The Hulk despite having indestructible DNA molecules, simultaneously converting universal atomic energy in order to continuously sustain the atomic-molecular structure of the DNA as well as have them grow in strength at the atomic-molecular level (and by extension, all other organic matte that comes as a byproduct) in proportion to stress, his DNA molecules will never be able to produce the many diverse proteins of his body instantly. That's why he lost to Zeus. Hulk didn't lose because he wasn't strong enough. He lost because while his healing factor is quick, it's completely biologically impossible to put your whole body back together in no time. That's the only limitation to Hulk's power.

I can live with Thor's obvious advantages and disadvantages as well as I can with the Hulk's.

@Pyrogram said:

@Z3RO180: this convo is just LMFAO

well i do try :)

@Old_Chris said:

@GreenScar1990 said:

Yeah, bringing in Mjolnir to a fight is fair. Believe that if you want. I guess you would see bringing a powerful mystical weapon with countless abilities within it as fair.

Thor using Mjonlir to drain Hulk of his energy. It may work on some incarnations, but Hulk, especially those of the Green Scar/WWH incarnation, have shown to be immune to this tactic. Red Hulk, who drained the Silver Surfer to the point it killed him, was able to drain Savage Hulk, yet was completely unable to drain the Green Scar incarnation.

And once again you boast these so-called superior powers that delusionally puts Thor above Hulk.

Thor bombarding Hulk with lightning would only increase his rage and the survival adaptation that his body allows him to survive.

And transmutation, including shrinking through transmutation, has proven ineffective against the Savage Hulk... including a monstrous being who could transmutate/shrink entire cities with ease. So what makes you think Thor using Mjolnir will fair any better?

And teleporting Hulk to the sun isn't going to destroy him. He's withstood far worse. And if you'd studied science, you should know that the very core of the sun is nothing but pure gamma energy in which Hulk has and can absorb, as he has also shown absorbing cosmic and solor radiation on more than one occassion. And if you're going for the black hole defense, that isn't going to work either, 'cause Hulk has shown to resist and smash his way through dimensions, wormholes, and blackholes in the past. True, if Thor wanted a easy win, he might BFR Hulk, but who is to say that Banner hasn't given Hulk teleportation tech or equipped his with rocket boosters?

And the winds from a 1,000 worlds? Yeah, we're talking about the Hulk, who thunderclapped an entire dimensional universe into nothing, ripped Nightmare's own dimensional/universal realm asunder with pure force alone, and survived a cosmic time-storm that Kang's most armored vessels were unable to contend with. How many beings can best a demon lord like Nightmare, Dormmamu, etc. in their own domain? And there is no real proof Glory was a Sky-Father heavy hitter. If that'd be the case, Thor should've been put down, 'cause Odin and Zeus have easily downed Thor without much effort.

But ask yourself this when regardining all those mentioned: Can Thor do any of those abilities without Mjolnir?

No. You see, that's his crutch. That's his failsafe, his biggest gun, because he knows without it he wouldn't get far. Come to think of it, when has Thor ever beaten any enemy without Mjolnir, the OdinForce, the OdinSword Ragnorak, or some other immensely powerful arcane weapon or massive plot device?

Since you want to give some examples of how you thought Thor could 'take out' Hulk, let me give you some examples of how Hulk could deal with Thor.

Hulk breaks Thor's neck, snapping the spine for an instant kill. Thor may be a god, but he isn't known for his healing.

Hulk shatters Mjolnir, thus forcing Thor into an all-physical fight. Like it or not, the weapon can and has been destroyed numerous times in the past. It's not impossible for Hulk to shatter it. In fact, Hulk did crush the enchanted uru hammer of Nul: Breaker of Worlds with his bare hands just when the Serpent/Cul and his Worthy were at the height of their power.

Hulk could physically beat Thor to death. It's happened to the Thunder God before. There's no reason why Hulk wouldn't be able to accomplish it. He's already beaten Thor within an inch of his life more than once.

Hulk could dismember/disembowl Thor. Like I said, Thor doesn't have the luxury of an intense healing factor. In fact, if one takes into account of Young Thor's fight against Gorr the God Butcher. He was gravely wounded, remaining unconscious for seven days and his wounds still weren't fully healed then.

I'm not bashing Thor here. What I'm doing here is trying to change these biased views. Like it or not, Hulk and Thor are pretty much equals in power. It's just that Mjolnir and the powers within it are what makes the conflict between the two titans more even. And you know what? I accept it.

What part of "Mjolnir is standard equipment for Thor" do you not understand? At this point your just getting desperate.

Hardly immunity. Red Hulks power levels have gone from what he did in his old Loeb days to getting owned by She Hulk. Not a very accurate comparison if you ask me. Resisting getting drained from Red Hulk certainly doesn't mean you can do the same towards someone like Thor who has absorbed energy capable of destroying a galaxy. Furthermore, I'm talking about Savage Hulk.

Is that so? When Thor used his lightning he dropped Hulk in a single bolt. Where was his increasing rage and adaption there? To give him the benefit of the doubt I do not believe every single time Thor uses lightning against Hulk he will go down in one bolt, however there is evidence to suggest he can still do so with relative ease.

What are you talking about? It actually did work. If your talking about the Goom incident as I am, his beams did work, Hulk just grew back after a short time due to being really angry, anger that I doubt he will have in the beginning of a fight. Anyway, instead of waiting for him to grow back like Goom did, Thor will just squash him instantly. No more Hulk.

Savage Hulk has never resisted temperatures even remotely close the suns core, which is 27 million degrees. Hell, his body has been shown to burn up on re entry to the Earth on more than one occasion. Er, our sun gives out solar rays, not gamma. Or, it does give out gamma rays but not nearly enough to help him out before hes vaporized by the heat.

Oh sure, because Hulk withstanding and thunder clapping away an attack that destroyed a universe makes so much sense. Hulk also could barely withstand a whisper from Black Bolt. I don't really think a whisper from Black Bolt can dish out damage on par with a universe busting attack. Ripping apart Nightmares realm isn't a durability feat, so not sure why that helps, and does Nightmare even have any feats? Or is there even any proof of how big is realm is anyway? If you have evidence that the cosmic-time attack was on par with an attack like Winds from a 1000 Worlds then show it. Uh, Hulk has never bested Dormammu anywhere. Actually, the only encounter I have ever even seen between them is when Dormammu effortlessly turned Hulk to stone without any problems. Glory was stated in an interview to be sky father level.

For the love of god, get over yourself already. Mjolnir is and always has been standard equipment for Thor. Go cry about it elsewhere. Oh, and how about this, would Hulk be able to do all the stuff he does without having good strength? That's what I thought.

Break Thor's neck? What a terrific argument.

Shatters Mjolnir.....Jesus. Hulk fans have the best arguments ever. They really do.

Hulk has had his chance to beat Thor to death plenty of times and the best he can usually do is fight to a standstill. Hes never done so either. The closest hes even came to that was actually when he cheap and surprised attacked Thor, so your argument fails.

Well it really is too bad that Thor can easily just stay out of range and out speed him making that tactic irrelevant. Then he just does anything I already mentioned above and Hulk is dead forever.

Before you go on the mission of changing the biased views of others I highly recommend you first do the same to your own words. Everything you have been saying has revolved around you ranting on about how butthurt you are over Thor having the hammer, making misconstrued claims, making irrelevant claims, and making silly arguments that only a fan boy would attempt to bring up, and attempting to debate with stronger versions of Hulk while I'm using the regular Thor. Congratulations.

By the way, Thor still murders Hulk based on the abilities I have mentioned which you failed rather miserably to counter.

This coming from a very biased Thor fan. Your last statement alone proves this fact. And it proves your arrogance and ignorance in regards to the Hulk. Maybe I should explain it better to you so that you could understand. I could make a very long, detailed list to prove you wrong. But why should I bother? It wouldn't matter if I would. But if you insist, I'll make this quick. And, please, make sure to read it over a few times, okay?

You disregard that Hulk is capable of shattering Mjolnir? You do realize it's been shattered numerous times, right? All it takes is powerful enough force. Something that heavy hitters like Hulk, Juggernaut, Hyperion, Gladiator, Sentry or someone similar could actually accomplish. It's not impossible, because it's not an indestructible weapon. It can and has been destroyed.

And Hulk's durability has been shown to rival and even surpass those of Thor and Surfer, so why shouldn't he be able to survive in the sun's intense temperatures? Thor has. Oh, that's right. It's just because he isn't Thor, right? Very shallow, no? C'mon! Hulk and numerous other Marvel powerhouses could take that kind of extreme temperatures and you know it. Saying that Hulk can't is just pure favortism in Thor's part, and/or proves your ignorance of how truly durable Hulk is when compared to those who are on the same level as him.

And you think Thor is too fast for Hulk? Am I hearing this right? You do know that Hulk has caught Surfer at top surfing speed just by leaping through the air and has caught his board several times, right? And I'm sure you know him tagging Quicksilver. And what of keeping pace with the likes of Hyperion and Sentry? Forget about those too?

And you claim ny alternate universe battle between the two is faulty? If it is, then so is the Reigning Thor arch where he kills Professor Hulk and Thing by impaling them. And if you don't believe me, it's non-cannon to Marvel-616. It is, in fact, Marvel-3515. Don't believe me? Check your official Marvel Handbook Novel or go right to Marvel.com. Besides, I was merely stating that the reality in which Hulk and Thor fought and perished in their battle is exactly how these two are and should be portrayed: As equals.

And me using stronger versions of Hulk? Where have I said that? I merely used Green Scar Hulk's ability to resist Red Hulk's draining ability. That's it. What? You think Savage Hulk or any other incarnation hasn't resisted the draining technique? News flash, genius, he has! Here's some examples:

Mystical draining of energy is similarly fruitless. Here, the Spirit Stone of Pariah drains Savage Hulk as his Banner side fights to permit it to drain his lifeforce, but realizing that Pariah would be a threat to the world, he lets Savage Hulk take over who immediately escapes Pariah's grip and overpowers the Spirit Stone in Incredible Hulk #268:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...aining06268.jpg

The demon, Chernobog, finds this out the hard way and is overloaded by Savage Hulk's power in this flashback to the past in Incredible Hulks #621:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...aining13621.jpg

Savage Hulk overloads Tyrannus' draining devices connected to an indestructible Deviant/Eternal weapon built to battle the Celestials in Incredible Hulk #241:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...aining05241.jpg

Randau, an alien who has challenged and nearly bested Terrax with his energy draining, completely fails to drain Savage Hulk's energy here in Incredible Hulk #103:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...aining02103.jpg

Aliens with technology formidable enough to stagger classic Dr. Strange's seraphim shields and ensnare Silver Surfer use a Starwheel machine to trap and drain the Defenders. Only Savage Hulk is able to power through the draining and cause enough feedback to destroy the Starwheel and free them all in Defenders vol.2 #8:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...efendersv28.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...kDraining11.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...kDraining12.jpg

The more powerful Spike Elders, beings who feed on universal energies and energies of dying stars, usually control the other Spikes but are so weakened that they require vast amounts of energy to restrain them. The only source they can rely on is the still weakened Savage Hulk's own energy and his ability to heal from their constant draining. From Incredible Hulk vol.2 #102:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...ctor08v2102.jpg

Mr. Fixit's healing factor and heightened metabolism has shaken off the effects of transmutation. Here, he shrugs off the Grey Gargoyle's stone touch -- an ability that has turned even the mighty Thor into helpless stone -- in Incredible Hulk #363:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...tation01363.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...smutation02.jpg

Energy lances that drained Klaatu, a monstrous entity that could feed on planets and stars, are torn free from him by the Mindless Hulk who resists their energy draining in Incredible Hulk #307:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...kDraining03.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...kDraining04.jpg

These are a few that I could mention.

I look at Hulk and Thor as equals in power. Neither are above the other. When they battle, it could go either way, or end in stalemate. What gives Thor the slightest edge is Mjolnir. At least I'm willing to accept this fact. You, on the other hand, continue this pathetic delusionally biased opinion to think Thor is above Hulk, when in reality he is not.

And in regards to Red Hulk's absorbing abilitity, it hasn't changed. He rarely uses it due to the fact that it could prevent him from transforming back to his human form ever again (something that Ross doesn't want to happen), but it's certainly not diminised in any way. And as I recall, he hasn't lost to She-Hulk, so I'd like to know where in the hell you've read or heard that line of BS. Either way, this draining ability affected Uatu the Watcher, OdinForce Thor, Silver Surfer and other high-powered beings. So, I think it's definitely not something to just toss aside as you have seemingly done.

And like it or not, Mjolnir is a weapon. It's not a part of Thor. It's the same as if a person would wield a gun. It's the gun that fires the bullet, but it's the person that pulls the trigger. It'd be like arguing that Thanos himself killed half the beings in the universe when in fact we all know that the Infinity Gems did all the work... and they're certainly not a part of the Mad Titan. I'm not complaining, unlike you, I'm merely stating the facts.

And by the way, I'd like to see this so-called interview where Glory is stated to be a Sky-Father level being. Because anyone in the right mind, a truly unbiased fan of Thor knows that he isn't going to defeat a Sky-Father in an all-out fight. And before you bring up him killing Cul/The Serpent or Bor, let me remind you that in his battle with Bor, Thor had the OdinForce and Bor wasn't at his peak of power in that conflict, yet was still managing to dominate the Thunder God. And his battle with Cul, Thor had the Odinsword and Odin's enchanted armor to protect him, and he still died. Basically in the fight with Cul, give any heavy hitter like Hulk, Surfer, Gladiator or Hyperion the Odinsword and enchanted armor and I'd bet that they'll have the same results.

And if Thor can beat Hulk, why hasn't he? You want to make the claim that Hulk never beaten Thor. Well, I got a news flash for you! Thor has never beaten Hulk either! Your arguements don't hold any ground either!

And the point I was making in regards to Nigtmare and The Hulk destroying his entire realm? Dude, a demon lord in their realm is nearly supreme in every aspect. Nightmare in his realm is as deadly in powerful as either Dormmamu or Umar are in the Dark Dimension. Why? Because it's their turf, their rules, their realm, genius! How many beings can overwhelm a demon lord in their own realm, huh? Not many.

And Hulk destroying Night Crawler's Dimensional Universe. You know, I find it funny that you and other Thor fans will disregard Hulk's most impressive feats, yet lay claim to Thor's whenever it suits your needs. If I do recall, wasn't Thor at one time bested by Mantis? Better to be blasted point blank range by Black Bolt's voice and get up a few seconds later unharmed than to get taken down by a female who isn't even in the same heavyhitter class. You know I'm right.

Every character, even heavy hitters like Hulk and Thor, have high and low showings. But to state that one is superior to the other is just plain ridiculous! I mean, honestly, it's sheer nonsense!

@boostergold321 said:

No. the sun actually does emit gamma. "Solar" is just another word for the sun. The sun emits all kinds of radiation, and the strongest is gamma radiation. gamma is energy just like x-rays,ultraviolet,visible light ,and micro waves. Even the not-so-massive amounts of gamma must be measured in nano and picometers. Any radiation that is 1000 times beyond x-rays and above is classified as gamma rays.

Hulk has dropped Thor with and Hulk has dropped Thor. There pretty even. They're on the same level but the Hulk has the advantage of unlimited power at his disposal while Thor has more verstatility.

They both lack something valueble that the other has. Neither is perfect. The imperfection are what make the character.

Thor relies on having just enough power and uses it in different ways to be a more effective superhero. His disadvantage is that, even in cases where he has the vast power of the OdinForce, he's still limited in power.

The Hulk sheer limitless power with less finesse means he's more inclined to destruction, and it's that much harder for him to save anyone other than himself. it's no surprise Hulk is known as a monster instead of a superhero.

When Thor has mjolnir, he wields in part, the power of Asgard. The Hammer does not give Thor his powers as the mighty son of Odin, or the Norse God of Thunder, It merely enhances his already great powers while also giving him some extra tools,

Being put into a spactial singularity is not a bid deal for characters with this level of power. To guys as powerful as this, that's just a cheap trick because they've been shown to hold their own against such forces.

Draining Hulk's energy until he reverts to Banner is a good idea. Draining every last drop of him is a bad idea and with only make Hulk fight back, bcasue the more he body is strained, the stronger he gets. You can drain Hulk, but don't push it to the point of trying to destroy him. Threatening this guy's personal well-being never turns out well for the offender and trying to destroy him is a pointless effort.

The Hulk despite having indestructible DNA molecules, simultaneously converting universal atomic energy in order to continuously sustain the atomic-molecular structure of the DNA as well as have them grow in strength at the atomic-molecular level (and by extension, all other organic matte that comes as a byproduct) in proportion to stress, his DNA molecules will never be able to produce the many diverse proteins of his body instantly. That's why he lost to Zeus. Hulk didn't lose because he wasn't strong enough. He lost because while his healing factor is quick, it's completely biologically impossible to put your whole body back together in no time. That's the only limitation to Hulk's power.

I can live with Thor's obvious advantages and disadvantages as well as I can with the Hulk's.

Finally!

Someone who gets it!

Hulk and Thor are equals!

Nuff said!

Move on and let it be as it is!

Thor vs Hulk debates on CV are endlessly amusing, even if you've seen all the arguments before.

@GreenScar1990 said:

This coming from a very biased Thor fan. Your last statement alone proves this fact. And it proves your arrogance and ignorance in regards to the Hulk. Maybe I should explain it better to you so that you could understand. I could make a very long, detailed list to prove you wrong. But why should I bother? It wouldn't matter if I would. But if you insist, I'll make this quick. And, please, make sure to read it over a few times, okay?

You disregard that Hulk is capable of shattering Mjolnir? You do realize it's been shattered numerous times, right? All it takes is powerful enough force. Something that heavy hitters like Hulk, Juggernaut, Hyperion, Gladiator, Sentry or someone similar could actually accomplish. It's not impossible, because it's not an indestructible weapon. It can and has been destroyed.

And Hulk's durability has been shown to rival and even surpass those of Thor and Surfer, so why shouldn't he be able to survive in the sun's intense temperatures? Thor has. Oh, that's right. It's just because he isn't Thor, right? Very shallow, no? C'mon! Hulk and numerous other Marvel powerhouses could take that kind of extreme temperatures and you know it. Saying that Hulk can't is just pure favortism in Thor's part, and/or proves your ignorance of how truly durable Hulk is when compared to those who are on the same level as him.

And you think Thor is too fast for Hulk? Am I hearing this right? You do know that Hulk has caught Surfer at top surfing speed just by leaping through the air and has caught his board several times, right? And I'm sure you know him tagging Quicksilver. And what of keeping pace with the likes of Hyperion and Sentry? Forget about those too?

And you claim ny alternate universe battle between the two is faulty? If it is, then so is the Reigning Thor arch where he kills Professor Hulk and Thing by impaling them. And if you don't believe me, it's non-cannon to Marvel-616. It is, in fact, Marvel-3515. Don't believe me? Check your official Marvel Handbook Novel or go right to Marvel.com. Besides, I was merely stating that the reality in which Hulk and Thor fought and perished in their battle is exactly how these two are and should be portrayed: As equals.

And me using stronger versions of Hulk? Where have I said that? I merely used Green Scar Hulk's ability to resist Red Hulk's draining ability. That's it. What? You think Savage Hulk or any other incarnation hasn't resisted the draining technique? News flash, genius, he has! Here's some examples:

Mystical draining of energy is similarly fruitless. Here, the Spirit Stone of Pariah drains Savage Hulk as his Banner side fights to permit it to drain his lifeforce, but realizing that Pariah would be a threat to the world, he lets Savage Hulk take over who immediately escapes Pariah's grip and overpowers the Spirit Stone in Incredible Hulk #268:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...aining06268.jpg

The demon, Chernobog, finds this out the hard way and is overloaded by Savage Hulk's power in this flashback to the past in Incredible Hulks #621:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...aining13621.jpg

Savage Hulk overloads Tyrannus' draining devices connected to an indestructible Deviant/Eternal weapon built to battle the Celestials in Incredible Hulk #241:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...aining05241.jpg

Randau, an alien who has challenged and nearly bested Terrax with his energy draining, completely fails to drain Savage Hulk's energy here in Incredible Hulk #103:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...aining02103.jpg

Aliens with technology formidable enough to stagger classic Dr. Strange's seraphim shields and ensnare Silver Surfer use a Starwheel machine to trap and drain the Defenders. Only Savage Hulk is able to power through the draining and cause enough feedback to destroy the Starwheel and free them all in Defenders vol.2 #8:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...efendersv28.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...kDraining11.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...kDraining12.jpg

The more powerful Spike Elders, beings who feed on universal energies and energies of dying stars, usually control the other Spikes but are so weakened that they require vast amounts of energy to restrain them. The only source they can rely on is the still weakened Savage Hulk's own energy and his ability to heal from their constant draining. From Incredible Hulk vol.2 #102:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...ctor08v2102.jpg

Mr. Fixit's healing factor and heightened metabolism has shaken off the effects of transmutation. Here, he shrugs off the Grey Gargoyle's stone touch -- an ability that has turned even the mighty Thor into helpless stone -- in Incredible Hulk #363:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...tation01363.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...smutation02.jpg

Energy lances that drained Klaatu, a monstrous entity that could feed on planets and stars, are torn free from him by the Mindless Hulk who resists their energy draining in Incredible Hulk #307:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...kDraining03.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...kDraining04.jpg

These are a few that I could mention.

I look at Hulk and Thor as equals in power. Neither are above the other. When they battle, it could go either way, or end in stalemate. What gives Thor the slightest edge is Mjolnir. At least I'm willing to accept this fact. You, on the other hand, continue this pathetic delusionally biased opinion to think Thor is above Hulk, when in reality he is not.

And in regards to Red Hulk's absorbing abilitity, it hasn't changed. He rarely uses it due to the fact that it could prevent him from transforming back to his human form ever again (something that Ross doesn't want to happen), but it's certainly not diminised in any way. And as I recall, he hasn't lost to She-Hulk, so I'd like to know where in the hell you've read or heard that line of BS. Either way, this draining ability affected Uatu the Watcher, OdinForce Thor, Silver Surfer and other high-powered beings. So, I think it's definitely not something to just toss aside as you have seemingly done.

And like it or not, Mjolnir is a weapon. It's not a part of Thor. It's the same as if a person would wield a gun. It's the gun that fires the bullet, but it's the person that pulls the trigger. It'd be like arguing that Thanos himself killed half the beings in the universe when in fact we all know that the Infinity Gems did all the work... and they're certainly not a part of the Mad Titan. I'm not complaining, unlike you, I'm merely stating the facts.

And by the way, I'd like to see this so-called interview where Glory is stated to be a Sky-Father level being. Because anyone in the right mind, a truly unbiased fan of Thor knows that he isn't going to defeat a Sky-Father in an all-out fight. And before you bring up him killing Cul/The Serpent or Bor, let me remind you that in his battle with Bor, Thor had the OdinForce and Bor wasn't at his peak of power in that conflict, yet was still managing to dominate the Thunder God. And his battle with Cul, Thor had the Odinsword and Odin's enchanted armor to protect him, and he still died. Basically in the fight with Cul, give any heavy hitter like Hulk, Surfer, Gladiator or Hyperion the Odinsword and enchanted armor and I'd bet that they'll have the same results.

And if Thor can beat Hulk, why hasn't he? You want to make the claim that Hulk never beaten Thor. Well, I got a news flash for you! Thor has never beaten Hulk either! Your arguements don't hold any ground either!

And the point I was making in regards to Nigtmare and The Hulk destroying his entire realm? Dude, a demon lord in their realm is nearly supreme in every aspect. Nightmare in his realm is as deadly in powerful as either Dormmamu or Umar are in the Dark Dimension. Why? Because it's their turf, their rules, their realm, genius! How many beings can overwhelm a demon lord in their own realm, huh? Not many.

And Hulk destroying Night Crawler's Dimensional Universe. You know, I find it funny that you and other Thor fans will disregard Hulk's most impressive feats, yet lay claim to Thor's whenever it suits your needs. If I do recall, wasn't Thor at one time bested by Mantis? Better to be blasted point blank range by Black Bolt's voice and get up a few seconds later unharmed than to get taken down by a female who isn't even in the same heavyhitter class. You know I'm right.

Every character, even heavy hitters like Hulk and Thor, have high and low showings. But to state that one is superior to the other is just plain ridiculous! I mean, honestly, it's sheer nonsense!

Right. This should be good.

Lets see, what kinds of forces have shattered Mjolnir? Destroyer Armor has done it once, right? Or the sheer force of his God Blast? Both of which are far beyond Hulks destructive capacity. He is NOT breaking the hammer any time soon because not only will Thor simply control it out of his grasp, but he can do a number of other things to prevent it as well. Honestly, this is one of the worst arguments I have ever seen for a Thor vs Hulk debate.

In terms of what? Blunt force? Sure, I actually agree with that. But towards just about any attack of any other nature than no, hes not. You will find that different characters are more resistant towards different attacks. Thor can easily withstand the heat of the suns core because he is very durable towards elements. Hulk cannot because he has never endured heat anywhere near that level and has been seen twice burning up on re-entry to the Earth. Hulks does have very good tolerance for blunt force. Its nothing special towards anything else, that's why he has that healing factor.

Caught Surfer at tops speeds? When? Any scans? And even so, who's gonna take that seriously when people like Wolverine and Spider Man have danced around him with ease? People like Sentry and Hyperion have never used any noteworthy speed on Hulk, if they even have any noteworthy speed. Tagging Quicksilver is impressive, but Thor can fly at speeds well over light. Hulk has never reacted to that kind of speed.

....Why are you even bringing up that incident? I know its non cannon. I don't take showings like that as accurate date either. I am saying you should not use non cannon materiel to make a point.

Well this is great and all, but a lot of these people are either mediocre level or featless. Kind of explains why when someone who is capable of draining near limitless amounts of energy like Surfer attempts to drain Hulk, he does so with little effort. Thor can do the same with Mjolnir.

They are equals in terms of a physical brawl. Ever notice that Thor never uses his powers against Hulk? That's because of morals and plot. Thor's power set doesn't just give him a slight edge, its the reason why hes considerably above Hulk. I have named plenty of things he can do. He can use his lightning to KO him (the same lightning that has dropped Hulk in a single bolt), drain his gamma with Mjolnir, shrink him then squash with transmutation, use a vortex to shield himself (the same one that Hulk failed to get through before), use Mjolnir to blitz him to a mush, teleport him to the suns core, and other things. When Hulk has proven to be equals to Thor when hes using even a fraction of these powers, let me know.

Red Hulk got pounded by She Hulk.

Er, Rulk didn't use any draining powers against any of those characters except Surfer. And that Surfer was pretty weak sauce anyway, seeing as he got bested by Terrax. Outside that one incident, he has nothing to suggest he can drain as much energy as Thor or Surfer.

....This is just complete rubbish. Why is it so mind numbingly hard for you to understand what standard equipment is? Mjolnir has always been standard for Thor, just like Surfers board, or Wonder Woman's lasso, or Terrax's ax. Go cry me a river about it. The difference between just a gun or the IG is that they are NOT standard equipment for the user. Since Mjolnir IS standard for Thor, you can bet your ass its fair for him to use it in a fight, just like he does 99% of the time.

I don't know where it is, but Glory was stated in an interview to be that level. But are you seriously harping on Thor being expected to lose against a sky father level being, then being completely cool whenever Hulk has success over supposedly powerful hell lords in their own realm? Get real. Spare me the hypocrisy.

....Thor has beaten Hulk twice.

Here he gets pissed and nearly kills Hulk with one hammer strike:

And here he drops him with lightning:

And where did I say Hulk has never beaten Thor? I actually said he did beat him twice, in Avengers Assemble and Hulk Annual 2001.

I can name plenty of feats from Thor that I myself consider PIS. But surely you can see how utterly absurd this one showing for Hulk is, can't you? I mean, no version of Hulk has ever shown power anywhere near that level. I understand both have high and low showings. I assure you I am not harping only on Thor's best feats. My point is simply that he has a power set that Hulk has no answer for. He is too powerful and too versatile for Hulk to comprehend with. I will even admit that in a purely physical brawl, Hulk would win the majority. But in a fight where Thor uses his powers and best attacks, I just don't see how he can logically lose.

@Old_Chris

Have you read a Hulk comic?

Do you truly know the character enough?

How much Hulk comics have you read?

How much Thor comics have you read?

I've read a great majority of them from every era. From the 1960s,1970s,1980s,1990s, and 2000s. To one who can really say that they know the character, I find myself wondering whether you are just ignoring facts about other characters such as the Hulk in order to make your favorite character, like Thor, look good.

It seems as though anything to do with the Hulk that might suggest his advantage over Thor or at least his equal is put under extreme scrutiny and discounted. If you do this with Hulk then should you not also do the same with Thor? You're sounding hypocritical. Only following rules when it you want to, only when it supports Thor or the character that you're in favor of. If you like Thor, that's fine. Just don't use illogical reasoning to support him. I suggest you correct how you stand up for the characters you like and reevaluate your knowledge of them.

I've already stated how Hulk and Thor are equal in my last post. I'll skip to last part of your latest post.

That first scan looks like Thor fighting Red hulk. I'm not sure about the details of that fight. I'll go check it out.

Your second scan shows Thor knocking out Hulk but in that same issue Hulk also knocked out Thor.

@boostergold321 said:

It seems as though anything to do with the Hulk that might suggest his advantage over Thor or at least his equal is put under extreme scrutiny and discounted. If you do this with Hulk then should you not also do the same with Thor? You're sounding hypocritical. Only follow rules when it you want to, only when it supports Thor. If you like Thor, that's fine. Just don't use illogical reasoning to support him.

I've already stated how Hulk and Thor are equal. I'll skip to last part of your latest post.

That first scan looks like Thor fighting Red hulk. I'm not sure about the details of that fight. I'll go check it out.

Your second scan shows Thor knocking out Hulk but in that same issue Hulk also knocked out Thor.

Oh? And where did you come to that conclusion? I only really discounted one feat from Hulk, and that was the one time incident where even Hulks strongest versions have never shown power anywhere remotely close to it. Yeah, that universal one. I also admitted there are tons of feats from Thor I consider PIS like harming a multiversal being with his lightning or harming a powerful Celestial that an amped Destroyer Armor failed to do.

Hulk being equal to Thor in a physical brawl where he uses non of his powers isn't Hulk being equal to Thor, its purposely reducing Thor's power to make Hulk appear that hes equal with Thor.

It isn't Red Hulk. The writer said it was supposed to be a fight with the green Hulk, but the artist by accident drew Thor in the wrong costume, making it appear that way.

...I know. And?

@Old_Chris said:

It isn't Red Hulk. The writer said it was supposed to be a fight with the green Hulk, but the artist by accident drew Thor in the wrong costume, making it appear that way.

Its not just the costume. Apparently the colourist was in on the act also because that creature is the same colour as Thor's obviously red cape. In fact given that its a post Ragnorak Thor fighting a red Hulk-like creature with no pupils in the desert at night its obvious that the art team more or less straight reproduced the fight with Red Hulk from Hulk 6.

Which kind of raises the question that the editor may well have flat out vetoed Grievoux's plan to make it the green Hulk and decided to make it the red Hulk instead - books are sent back for artistic corrections all the time but apparently not in this case. At the least, it seems strange that Grievoux did not get to add dialogue/narration afterwards to make his intentions clearer.

@Old_Chris said:

@GreenScar1990 said:

This coming from a very biased Thor fan. Your last statement alone proves this fact. And it proves your arrogance and ignorance in regards to the Hulk. Maybe I should explain it better to you so that you could understand. I could make a very long, detailed list to prove you wrong. But why should I bother? It wouldn't matter if I would. But if you insist, I'll make this quick. And, please, make sure to read it over a few times, okay?

You disregard that Hulk is capable of shattering Mjolnir? You do realize it's been shattered numerous times, right? All it takes is powerful enough force. Something that heavy hitters like Hulk, Juggernaut, Hyperion, Gladiator, Sentry or someone similar could actually accomplish. It's not impossible, because it's not an indestructible weapon. It can and has been destroyed.

And Hulk's durability has been shown to rival and even surpass those of Thor and Surfer, so why shouldn't he be able to survive in the sun's intense temperatures? Thor has. Oh, that's right. It's just because he isn't Thor, right? Very shallow, no? C'mon! Hulk and numerous other Marvel powerhouses could take that kind of extreme temperatures and you know it. Saying that Hulk can't is just pure favortism in Thor's part, and/or proves your ignorance of how truly durable Hulk is when compared to those who are on the same level as him.

And you think Thor is too fast for Hulk? Am I hearing this right? You do know that Hulk has caught Surfer at top surfing speed just by leaping through the air and has caught his board several times, right? And I'm sure you know him tagging Quicksilver. And what of keeping pace with the likes of Hyperion and Sentry? Forget about those too?

And you claim ny alternate universe battle between the two is faulty? If it is, then so is the Reigning Thor arch where he kills Professor Hulk and Thing by impaling them. And if you don't believe me, it's non-cannon to Marvel-616. It is, in fact, Marvel-3515. Don't believe me? Check your official Marvel Handbook Novel or go right to Marvel.com. Besides, I was merely stating that the reality in which Hulk and Thor fought and perished in their battle is exactly how these two are and should be portrayed: As equals.

And me using stronger versions of Hulk? Where have I said that? I merely used Green Scar Hulk's ability to resist Red Hulk's draining ability. That's it. What? You think Savage Hulk or any other incarnation hasn't resisted the draining technique? News flash, genius, he has! Here's some examples:

Mystical draining of energy is similarly fruitless. Here, the Spirit Stone of Pariah drains Savage Hulk as his Banner side fights to permit it to drain his lifeforce, but realizing that Pariah would be a threat to the world, he lets Savage Hulk take over who immediately escapes Pariah's grip and overpowers the Spirit Stone in Incredible Hulk #268:

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The demon, Chernobog, finds this out the hard way and is overloaded by Savage Hulk's power in this flashback to the past in Incredible Hulks #621:

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Savage Hulk overloads Tyrannus' draining devices connected to an indestructible Deviant/Eternal weapon built to battle the Celestials in Incredible Hulk #241:

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Randau, an alien who has challenged and nearly bested Terrax with his energy draining, completely fails to drain Savage Hulk's energy here in Incredible Hulk #103:

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Aliens with technology formidable enough to stagger classic Dr. Strange's seraphim shields and ensnare Silver Surfer use a Starwheel machine to trap and drain the Defenders. Only Savage Hulk is able to power through the draining and cause enough feedback to destroy the Starwheel and free them all in Defenders vol.2 #8:

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The more powerful Spike Elders, beings who feed on universal energies and energies of dying stars, usually control the other Spikes but are so weakened that they require vast amounts of energy to restrain them. The only source they can rely on is the still weakened Savage Hulk's own energy and his ability to heal from their constant draining. From Incredible Hulk vol.2 #102:

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Mr. Fixit's healing factor and heightened metabolism has shaken off the effects of transmutation. Here, he shrugs off the Grey Gargoyle's stone touch -- an ability that has turned even the mighty Thor into helpless stone -- in Incredible Hulk #363:

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Energy lances that drained Klaatu, a monstrous entity that could feed on planets and stars, are torn free from him by the Mindless Hulk who resists their energy draining in Incredible Hulk #307:

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These are a few that I could mention.

I look at Hulk and Thor as equals in power. Neither are above the other. When they battle, it could go either way, or end in stalemate. What gives Thor the slightest edge is Mjolnir. At least I'm willing to accept this fact. You, on the other hand, continue this pathetic delusionally biased opinion to think Thor is above Hulk, when in reality he is not.

And in regards to Red Hulk's absorbing abilitity, it hasn't changed. He rarely uses it due to the fact that it could prevent him from transforming back to his human form ever again (something that Ross doesn't want to happen), but it's certainly not diminised in any way. And as I recall, he hasn't lost to She-Hulk, so I'd like to know where in the hell you've read or heard that line of BS. Either way, this draining ability affected Uatu the Watcher, OdinForce Thor, Silver Surfer and other high-powered beings. So, I think it's definitely not something to just toss aside as you have seemingly done.

And like it or not, Mjolnir is a weapon. It's not a part of Thor. It's the same as if a person would wield a gun. It's the gun that fires the bullet, but it's the person that pulls the trigger. It'd be like arguing that Thanos himself killed half the beings in the universe when in fact we all know that the Infinity Gems did all the work... and they're certainly not a part of the Mad Titan. I'm not complaining, unlike you, I'm merely stating the facts.

And by the way, I'd like to see this so-called interview where Glory is stated to be a Sky-Father level being. Because anyone in the right mind, a truly unbiased fan of Thor knows that he isn't going to defeat a Sky-Father in an all-out fight. And before you bring up him killing Cul/The Serpent or Bor, let me remind you that in his battle with Bor, Thor had the OdinForce and Bor wasn't at his peak of power in that conflict, yet was still managing to dominate the Thunder God. And his battle with Cul, Thor had the Odinsword and Odin's enchanted armor to protect him, and he still died. Basically in the fight with Cul, give any heavy hitter like Hulk, Surfer, Gladiator or Hyperion the Odinsword and enchanted armor and I'd bet that they'll have the same results.

And if Thor can beat Hulk, why hasn't he? You want to make the claim that Hulk never beaten Thor. Well, I got a news flash for you! Thor has never beaten Hulk either! Your arguements don't hold any ground either!

And the point I was making in regards to Nigtmare and The Hulk destroying his entire realm? Dude, a demon lord in their realm is nearly supreme in every aspect. Nightmare in his realm is as deadly in powerful as either Dormmamu or Umar are in the Dark Dimension. Why? Because it's their turf, their rules, their realm, genius! How many beings can overwhelm a demon lord in their own realm, huh? Not many.

And Hulk destroying Night Crawler's Dimensional Universe. You know, I find it funny that you and other Thor fans will disregard Hulk's most impressive feats, yet lay claim to Thor's whenever it suits your needs. If I do recall, wasn't Thor at one time bested by Mantis? Better to be blasted point blank range by Black Bolt's voice and get up a few seconds later unharmed than to get taken down by a female who isn't even in the same heavyhitter class. You know I'm right.

Every character, even heavy hitters like Hulk and Thor, have high and low showings. But to state that one is superior to the other is just plain ridiculous! I mean, honestly, it's sheer nonsense!

Right. This should be good.

Lets see, what kinds of forces have shattered Mjolnir? Destroyer Armor has done it once, right? Or the sheer force of his God Blast? Both of which are far beyond Hulks destructive capacity. He is NOT breaking the hammer any time soon because not only will Thor simply control it out of his grasp, but he can do a number of other things to prevent it as well. Honestly, this is one of the worst arguments I have ever seen for a Thor vs Hulk debate.

In terms of what? Blunt force? Sure, I actually agree with that. But towards just about any attack of any other nature than no, hes not. You will find that different characters are more resistant towards different attacks. Thor can easily withstand the heat of the suns core because he is very durable towards elements. Hulk cannot because he has never endured heat anywhere near that level and has been seen twice burning up on re-entry to the Earth. Hulks does have very good tolerance for blunt force. Its nothing special towards anything else, that's why he has that healing factor.

Caught Surfer at tops speeds? When? Any scans? And even so, who's gonna take that seriously when people like Wolverine and Spider Man have danced around him with ease? People like Sentry and Hyperion have never used any noteworthy speed on Hulk, if they even have any noteworthy speed. Tagging Quicksilver is impressive, but Thor can fly at speeds well over light. Hulk has never reacted to that kind of speed.

....Why are you even bringing up that incident? I know its non cannon. I don't take showings like that as accurate date either. I am saying you should not use non cannon materiel to make a point.

Well this is great and all, but a lot of these people are either mediocre level or featless. Kind of explains why when someone who is capable of draining near limitless amounts of energy like Surfer attempts to drain Hulk, he does so with little effort. Thor can do the same with Mjolnir.

They are equals in terms of a physical brawl. Ever notice that Thor never uses his powers against Hulk? That's because of morals and plot. Thor's power set doesn't just give him a slight edge, its the reason why hes considerably above Hulk. I have named plenty of things he can do. He can use his lightning to KO him (the same lightning that has dropped Hulk in a single bolt), drain his gamma with Mjolnir, shrink him then squash with transmutation, use a vortex to shield himself (the same one that Hulk failed to get through before), use Mjolnir to blitz him to a mush, teleport him to the suns core, and other things. When Hulk has proven to be equals to Thor when hes using even a fraction of these powers, let me know.

Red Hulk got pounded by She Hulk.

Er, Rulk didn't use any draining powers against any of those characters except Surfer. And that Surfer was pretty weak sauce anyway, seeing as he got bested by Terrax. Outside that one incident, he has nothing to suggest he can drain as much energy as Thor or Surfer.

....This is just complete rubbish. Why is it so mind numbingly hard for you to understand what standard equipment is? Mjolnir has always been standard for Thor, just like Surfers board, or Wonder Woman's lasso, or Terrax's ax. Go cry me a river about it. The difference between just a gun or the IG is that they are NOT standard equipment for the user. Since Mjolnir IS standard for Thor, you can bet your ass its fair for him to use it in a fight, just like he does 99% of the time.

I don't know where it is, but Glory was stated in an interview to be that level. But are you seriously harping on Thor being expected to lose against a sky father level being, then being completely cool whenever Hulk has success over supposedly powerful hell lords in their own realm? Get real. Spare me the hypocrisy.

....Thor has beaten Hulk twice.

Here he gets pissed and nearly kills Hulk with one hammer strike:

And here he drops him with lightning:

And where did I say Hulk has never beaten Thor? I actually said he did beat him twice, in Avengers Assemble and Hulk Annual 2001.

I can name plenty of feats from Thor that I myself consider PIS. But surely you can see how utterly absurd this one showing for Hulk is, can't you? I mean, no version of Hulk has ever shown power anywhere near that level. I understand both have high and low showings. I assure you I am not harping only on Thor's best feats. My point is simply that he has a power set that Hulk has no answer for. He is too powerful and too versatile for Hulk to comprehend with. I will even admit that in a purely physical brawl, Hulk would win the majority. But in a fight where Thor uses his powers and best attacks, I just don't see how he can logically lose.

First things first. Red Hulk was toying with She-Hulk. He even told her that he could kill her if he desired. He took on and bested her and the Lady Liberators. And it was also mentioned that Red Hulk did in fact use his draining abilities to some degree on his other foes during Jeph Loeb's run (it was mentioned in Hulk #21, to be precise). And another thing, you are a freaking liar! That pic that you claim of Thor nearly killing Hulk with Mjolnir? It's Red Hulk, and not to mention it's from a non-cannon comic titled BREAKING INTO COMICS THE MARVEL WAY #2! And you mentioned Avengers Assemble?! What is blue blazing hell are you talking about?!

Hulk KO'ed Thor with his own hammer in Avengers Assemble #4! Here's proof of that fact! If you're referring to Avengers: Season One, that's non-cannon!

And once again you step aside and ingore the fact that Mjolnir is a weapon. How like you. But, whatever, I'm only stating the facts. Mjolnir, like a gun, only rests in its place until someone wishes to use it. Like it or not, it's a crutch that has saved Thor's ass countless times. You'll never see Hulk have to use a powerful mystical weapon to get the job done 95% of the time. That's all. I'm not complaining. Stop trying to turn the subject of the matter. And the... "I don't know where it is, but it's true" act? Yeah, classic hypocrite. When I present facts, I go to the source and post them, whether they're links or actual pics/scans.

And by the way, Hulk has beaten Thor more than once. And guess what? They're all connected to Marvel-616!

Incredible Hulk Annual 2001- Hulk overpowers and buries Thor under a mountain of rubble that takes him hours to get out of.

Let the Battle Begin #1- Hulk overpowering and knocking out Thor with a few powerful blows from his own hammer!

Incredible Hulk #440- Professor Hulk, disguised as Maestro, battles and overpowers and BFR's a fully-powered Warrior Madness Thor!

Want proof that Hulk can shatter Mjolnir? You've got it!

Hulk shattering Onslaught's armor with a single blow while on his back. It was stated that Onslaught's armor and power was at Celestial level. Unlike Thor, who needed his own strength plus Mjolnir to damage this kind of level of armor, Hulk did it with a single strike and with nothing but his fists.

Hulk crushing the enchanted uru hammer of Nul: Breaker of Worlds with his bare hands while Cul/The Serpent and his avatars known as the Worthy are at the height of their power!

And what about Hulk destroying the Sacred Flame, an indestructible Eternal/Deviant weapon that not even Kubic (a cosmic cube come to life) could harm, that was built to battle the Celestials themselves!

You know nothing of Hulk's speed. And you want proof that Hulk can and has caught Surfer in full surf mode? You've got it!

Tales to Astonish #92-93: Hulk catches Surfer in full surfing mode more than twice!

Dr. Strange: Sorcerer Supreme Annual #2- Hulk snatches Surfer's board from him right in full surfing mode.

And man are you delusional when it comes to Hulk being durability! u honestly think that Hulk can't endure what Thor can? You've given no real proof. Just your biased opinion, which isn't worth anything! And Hulk getting burned through re-entry? You do know he was unscathed after the fall, right? All of them to be exact! Want proof of that?

And a barrage of lightning from Thor only stuns Professor Hulk. Want some proof? I've got it!

And I guess diving into the core of Sakaar means nothing? Earth's core is over 12,000 F. And this was while Hulk was recovering from the effects of the Great portal. Not to mention the fact that Sakaar was larger, has greater gravity than, and is more volcanic and harse than that of Earth's environment.

Or how about when the Celestial Order powered by the Heart of the Universe, one-shot Namor and Dr. Strange while Savage Hulk shrugs off those same blasts?

But wait! I've got more! How about enduring Human Torch's Nova blast, which is over 1 million degrees, and Storm's most powerful lightning assault all at once unscathed and still recovering from the affects of the Great Portal?

What about when the Sentry released the full power and intense heat of a thousand, or in this case a million, exploding suns? That's about what? A lot more intense than the core of the sun or any star for that matter. Is that enough proof? Or are you going to ingnore and deny, and/or make up more false excuses?

God, you want to talk about a poor arguement! Dude you're the one doing it! I don't know what's more pathetic! The fact that your favortism is strictly for Thor, or the fact that you're totally biased and against the Hulk! And you cling to this delusion that he's superior to the Hulk!

Spare me of this nonsense! You say Hulk has no answer for whatever Thor plans to use against him, but is it really true? No. And then you go on to claim Thor's most impressive feats outrank the Hulk's? Talk about bold and totally untrue, especially if one where to consider the fact that most of Thor's most impressive feats are that of Mjolnir, some powerful mystical weapon, a massive plot device, or something else entirely!

But I'm not here to discuss that. No, I'm here to tell you a simple truth. After this, I don't want to hear a word, a response or anything from you because this is what is boils down to when it comes to Hulk and Thor.

They're equals okay.

Deal with it.

Move on with your life.

I never came on here saying "Oh, Hulk can kill Thor no problem". I came on here to shed some light, to reveal the F'ing truth that both sides, Hulk fans and Thor fans and their haters, need to realize and accept.

Hulk and Thor?

They're equals.

Thor has more powers and versatility thanks to Mjolnir, but has limitations to how far that power can go.

Hulk has infinite power, but can accesses it through different means.

Nuff said.

Shut the hell up and get on with your lives.

@CitizenBane said:

Thor vs Hulk debates on CV are endlessly amusing, even if you've seen all the arguments before.

This 10x over xD

@GreenScar1990 said:

First things first. Red Hulk was toying with She-Hulk. He even told her that he could kill her if he desired. He took on and bested her and the Lady Liberators. And it was also mentioned that Red Hulk did in fact use his draining abilities to some degree on his other foes during Jeph Loeb's run (it was mentioned in Hulk #21, to be precise). And another thing, you are a freaking liar! That pic that you claim of Thor nearly killing Hulk with Mjolnir? It's Red Hulk, and not to mention it's from a non-cannon comic titled BREAKING INTO COMICS THE MARVEL WAY #2! And you mentioned Avengers Assemble?! What is blue blazing hell are you talking about?!

Hulk KO'ed Thor with his own hammer in Avengers Assemble #4! Here's proof of that fact! If you're referring to Avengers: Season One, that's non-cannon!

And once again you step aside and ingore the fact that Mjolnir is a weapon. How like you. But, whatever, I'm only stating the facts. Mjolnir, like a gun, only rests in its place until someone wishes to use it. Like it or not, it's a crutch that has saved Thor's ass countless times. You'll never see Hulk have to use a powerful mystical weapon to get the job done 95% of the time. That's all. I'm not complaining. Stop trying to turn the subject of the matter. And the... "I don't know where it is, but it's true" act? Yeah, classic hypocrite. When I present facts, I go to the source and post them, whether they're links or actual pics/scans.

And by the way, Hulk has beaten Thor more than once. And guess what? They're all connected to Marvel-616!

Incredible Hulk Annual 2001- Hulk overpowers and buries Thor under a mountain of rubble that takes him hours to get out of.

Let the Battle Begin #1- Hulk overpowering and knocking out Thor with a few powerful blows from his own hammer!

Incredible Hulk #440- Professor Hulk, disguised as Maestro, battles and overpowers and BFR's a fully-powered Warrior Madness Thor!

Want proof that Hulk can shatter Mjolnir? You've got it!

Hulk shattering Onslaught's armor with a single blow while on his back. It was stated that Onslaught's armor and power was at Celestial level. Unlike Thor, who needed his own strength plus Mjolnir to damage this kind of level of armor, Hulk did it with a single strike and with nothing but his fists.

Hulk crushing the enchanted uru hammer of Nul: Breaker of Worlds with his bare hands while Cul/The Serpent and his avatars known as the Worthy are at the height of their power!

And what about Hulk destroying the Sacred Flame, an indestructible Eternal/Deviant weapon that not even Kubic (a cosmic cube come to life) could harm, that was built to battle the Celestials themselves!

You know nothing of Hulk's speed. And you want proof that Hulk can and has caught Surfer in full surf mode? You've got it!

Tales to Astonish #92-93: Hulk catches Surfer in full surfing mode more than twice!

Dr. Strange: Sorcerer Supreme Annual #2- Hulk snatches Surfer's board from him right in full surfing mode.

And man are you delusional when it comes to Hulk being durability! u honestly think that Hulk can't endure what Thor can? You've given no real proof. Just your biased opinion, which isn't worth anything! And Hulk getting burned through re-entry? You do know he was unscathed after the fall, right? All of them to be exact! Want proof of that?

And a barrage of lightning from Thor only stuns Professor Hulk. Want some proof? I've got it!

And I guess diving into the core of Sakaar means nothing? Earth's core is over 12,000 F. And this was while Hulk was recovering from the effects of the Great portal. Not to mention the fact that Sakaar was larger, has greater gravity than, and is more volcanic and harse than that of Earth's environment.

Or how about when the Celestial Order powered by the Heart of the Universe, one-shot Namor and Dr. Strange while Savage Hulk shrugs off those same blasts?

But wait! I've got more! How about enduring Human Torch's Nova blast, which is over 1 million degrees, and Storm's most powerful lightning assault all at once unscathed and still recovering from the affects of the Great Portal?

What about when the Sentry released the full power and intense heat of a thousand, or in this case a million, exploding suns? That's about what? A lot more intense than the core of the sun or any star for that matter. Is that enough proof? Or are you going to ingnore and deny, and/or make up more false excuses?

God, you want to talk about a poor arguement! Dude you're the one doing it! I don't know what's more pathetic! The fact that your favortism is strictly for Thor, or the fact that you're totally biased and against the Hulk! And you cling to this delusion that he's superior to the Hulk!

Spare me of this nonsense! You say Hulk has no answer for whatever Thor plans to use against him, but is it really true? No. And then you go on to claim Thor's most impressive feats outrank the Hulk's? Talk about bold and totally untrue, especially if one where to consider the fact that most of Thor's most impressive feats are that of Mjolnir, some powerful mystical weapon, a massive plot device, or something else entirely!

But I'm not here to discuss that. No, I'm here to tell you a simple truth. After this, I don't want to hear a word, a response or anything from you because this is what is boils down to when it comes to Hulk and Thor.

They're equals okay.

Deal with it.

Move on with your life.

I never came on here saying "Oh, Hulk can kill Thor no problem". I came on here to shed some light, to reveal the F'ing truth that both sides, Hulk fans and Thor fans and their haters, need to realize and accept.

Hulk and Thor?

They're equals.

Thor has more powers and versatility thanks to Mjolnir, but has limitations to how far that power can go.

Hulk has infinite power, but can accesses it through different means.

Nuff said.

Shut the hell up and get on with your lives.

I didn't read the rest of that part. But, I don't believe She Hulk is really important now.

Well its obvious that the degree was rather unnoticeable because it did not look like he was draining anybody other than Surfer.

It wasn't supposed to be Rulk. The writer intended it to be the green Hulk but the artist apparently thought otherwise, so looking at it now it is pretty questionable. However, I did not know it was not cannon. If so, then I guess the feat is invalid. But Thor has another win against an amped Hulk in Fear Itself.

What are you talking about? The Avengers Assemble I was referring to was indeed the one you posted. That is a win for Hulk.

At this point I only have one thing to say: why is it so difficult for you to understand what standard equipment is? I will attempt to explain this in the most simple way I possibly can. The difference between a gun in general and Mjolnir is that Mjolnir is something that has always been standard weaponry for Thor. Just like Wonder Woman's lasso or bracelets, or Silver Surfers board. On the other hand, a gun in general is not necessarily standard for a user. It is exactly the same as artifacts like the HOTU or IG. You don't see Thanos using those things in a every fight, do you? No. Only then would your so called "facts" apply. But seeing as how Thor for decades has consistently used Mjolnir in fights, it is standard equipment for him, therefore being fair to use in a fight. And actually, your contradicting yourself as we speak. Was gamma radiation a part of Hulk right from the bat? I don't believe so. You don't see me ranting on about how its unfair that a gamma bomb hit and turned Banner into a super strong raging beast. If you think Hulk is a badass because he doesn't need a magic hammer, then fine, your opinion, but it isn't really relevant here.

.......Act? Uh, if I had access to the interview, I would show it to you. I suppose its up to you if you believe me or not, but go ask anybody that knows anything about Thor's fight with Glory and they'll tell you he was a sky father level being.

How is burying Thor under some rocks a win? At best you could say that was a temporary advantage.

Let The Battle Begin isn't cannon.

Hulk hitting Thor in the air isn't a win either, especially since that hit did nothing to Thor, and he wasn't anywhere remotely close to being at full power. I think I already actually explained that to you.

First off, that statement is obviously false since Cyclops and Thor were able to damage him, and I really don't see either doing that to a Celestial of decent power. Another thing is that Hulk had to get significantly stronger to do that. He will not have that kind of luxury in a fight where his opponent has control over the hammer and will also be attacking him. So, irrelevant. Oh, and I'm also pretty sure Onslaught wanted him to break the armor.

Destroying something like that is indeed a very good feat, however it ties into the same thing I've been saying. Brute strength alone won't cut it at this level. He will not be able to use that kind of striking power against someone he can't even touch. On top of that, Thor has proven durable enough to withstand his hits anyway.

Surfer was not using any noteworthy speed in either of those incidents. There are also dozens of times where much much slower characters have easily tagged Hulk and times where people like Spider Man and Wolverine have danced around him.

I did not say that Hulk can't endure what Thor can. I said Hulk can't endure Thor's best attacks which are magic based, something Hulk isn't very durable against. I have given proof. Thor took him down with one bolt of lightning. His lightning is not as powerful as the attack he used against Glory. If he has serious trouble with Thor's lightning, the 1000 Winds attack will tear him to shreds and there's nothing Hulk can do about it.

Not the point. If Hulks skin was not durable enough to keep him from flaming up on re-entry to Earth, then the suns core will vaporize him instantly.

If I'm not mistaken that scan where he withstands the lightning is from the same fight with the WM Thor. If that's the case then Thor in that fight was seriously depowered. So he did not withstand lightning from a full powered Thor.

Since when is anybody talking about the Earth? I said Hulk would get vaporized by the suns core, which is significantly hotter than the Earths. If you have proof that Skaar's core is anywhere near the heat of the suns, prove it.

Hulk shrugging off attacks from someone empowered by the Heart of the Universe? Okay, this is some major PIS. You need to stop dwelling on Hulks high ends, because a great deal of them really are just ridiculous PIS moments.

That was WB Hulk. Not relevant. And even then, that's only like 1-2 million degrees. Suns core is 27 million degrees. Even that Hulk would still probably get vaporized.

......That was not the heat of a million suns. If that was the case, you would maybe think the Earth would be destroyed? Sentry doesn't have that kind of power anyway, it was actually an hyperbole. Also, that was another much stronger version of Hulk. Not relevant.

Your argument has revolved around glorifying a bunch of high end Hulk feats and not caring to consider the dozens of times where Hulk has not been shown anywhere near that level, and getting your facts wrong.

I on the other hand have mostly just been naming abilities within Thor's power set, most of them the average, and using that as proof that Hulk would not stand a chance. There is already proof as well that you continue to ignore.

Thor can drain Hulk with Mjolnir. Why? Because it has already been proven that people of that level like Silver Surfer who has done it twice, can.

Thor can use transmutation to shrink Hulk then squash him instantly. Why? Because that kind of trick has already worked on Hulk, and instead of waiting for him to get pissed and regrow like Goom did, Thor will just smash him instantaneously.

Thor can control Mjolnir to blitz Hulk non stop with FLT hammer strikes that have shattered small mountains and planetoids. Yeah, Thor literally doesn't even have to move to beat Hulk, and you want to say that their equals?

Thor can use his lightning to repeatedly bombard Hulk with it until he passes out. His lightning has already dropped Hulk in a single bolt.

Thor can use teleportation to take Hulks the suns core where he will be vaporized. Why? Because Hulk has never withstood heat anywhere close to that level and has been shown burning up on re-entry to the Earth.

Thor can BFR Hulk into space where he will be floating helplessly, then kill him with a God Blast. Nothing Hulk can do about that.

Thor can use Winds from a 1000 Worlds to rip him apart. Why? Because Thor's lightning already can do the job, and this is a far stronger attack. And on top of all of that, Hulk isn't even durable towards magic based attacks and has been hurt by such several times, all well below Thor's power. His regeneration can't save him forever.

And then, Hulk can't even do anything to put Thor down. Since all he literally has is brute force, he will be attempting to punch him or thunder clap, which is all completely pointless due to Thor's FLT flight, teleportation, and ability to create a vortex which Savage Hulk has failed to get through before, and the fact that hes taken Hulks best hits before. Tell me, how is Hulk equal to someone who he can't even touch or put down before hes dead or KOed by any of the following above?

So, if your biased mind will allow you to see it, Thor CLEARLY is someone that SHOULD win against Hulk every time, but doesn't due to plot and morals.

Thor and Hulk are only equals when Thor is mindlessly slugging it out and has his power reduced by writers so Hulk can appear to be on par with him.

Until Hulk has proven to be equals with a Thor that uses his powers wisely instead of always holding back and slugging it out, Thor will always be better overall, no matter how you look at it.

Case rested.

The real reason Thor and Hulk fanboys are crazy...

They are disgruntled lovers.

Once again, Old_Chris, you toss everything I said aside in favor of your own opinions and beliefs.

Thor beat Hulk in Fear Itself? Right. As in collapsing face first after delivering his most powerful shot to Nul-Hulk. And I would hardly call Nul-Hulk an amped version of the Green Goliath. There's nothing that Nul-Hulk did that a pissed Savage Hulk couldn't have pulled off.

And Hulk doesn't far well against magic? What do you call withstanding powerful blasts and getting cannonball sized holes punched through you by an Omega-level mystical demon like Zom, who sends Sky-Father level beings like Dormmamu and Umar running? And I hate to tell ya, but Thor hasn't fared well against magic either. Hulk has withstood some very powerful magic from beings equal or way above Thor's level.

And what about KO'ing Thor in Incredible Hulk Annual 2001, the very same comic Thor blasted Hulk with lightning and the very same one that Hulk buried Thor under a mountain of rubble that took the Thunder God hours to dig out of?

And you discredit his fight against the Sentry! Talk about low! Sentry was powerful enough to take on Thor, the Avengers, Loki with the Rune Stones, several super hero teams and SHIELD by himself during SHIELD! And he didn't nearly cut loose like he did against Hulk during World War Hulk! He even told Hulk that he was the only being he could unleash his full power upon! Did you seem him bust out a power of a million exploding suns on Thor? No, not even once. Held back as Osborn ordered.

And the fight with Warrior Madness Thor in Incredible Hulk #440? Thor was indeed at full power. I've got the scans to prove it! And if that isn't a win for Hulk, than neither is Thor BFRing Nul-Hulk and collapsing face first in the dirt.

You talk and degrade Hulk's moments of durability and power, yet you boast Thor's and accept them without question? Freaking hypocrite! And let me tell something. The only reason those 1,000 winds hurt Glory at all was because the attack was made from within the being. The only way Thor beat Glory in their first battle at all was because Mjolnir absorbed Glory's blast and redirected it back at the entity. And the subject of Glory being a Sky-Father entity is up for debate and is most likely hyperbole, cause Thor's got his butt easily kicked by Odin and Zeus without any real trouble.

And something else you've got to learn. Regardless of incarnation, Hulk is powerful. Gray Hulk, the weakest incarnation, shattered an asteroid twice the size of earth with one blow unscathed. Now, if Gray Hulk can do that, imagine what Savage, Professor, Green Scar and other incarnations are truly capable of doing and withstanding!

And once again you claim Thor can shrink Hulk with transmutation and squash him. Forget it. It won't work and it isn't gonna happen. Transmutation of any kind has been futile on the Hulk. And Hulk isn't go to be instantly vaporized if he was teleported into the sun. Get over it. Same lame excuse that you so-called claim would work.

Then you think Hulk can't break through Thor's vortex?! Are you serious? Hulk has shattered and powered through Vector's powers several times, powers that have even repelled reality itself, power that can casually move numerous planets with relative ease! Or how about Hulk overpowering the Stranger's energy vortex that could change the orbit of planets? Hmm? Nothing?

And what makes you honestly think Thor's God Blast can kill Hulk? Where in blue blazes hell do you honestly think it can kill the Hulk? Where the hell is your proof? And better yet, what makes you think Hulk can't withstand it? Hmm? Huh? I would very much like to know. Who is to say Hulk's healing can't last forever? He keeps fighting and getting up. Feasted on by Elder Spikes who thrive on universal energies and dying stars, blasted through the chest by Trauma's laser cannon that can blast through planets, taking a brutal beating from an entire Pantheon of Gods, it's Sky-Father, and eaten down to the bone for 3 days by giants buzzards while previous helping to save the multiverse from the Chaos King and his hordes and before that battling his Old Power crazed son who wants to smash a planet into earth... I could go on for days.

And you do know that more intelligent versions of Hulk have used Bannertech devices for flight/teleportation/shielding, right? Oh, wait! No you haven't because you know nothing about the Hulk or Bruce Banner! You just throw your weight around, declaring that Hulk can't do this or can't survive that, when in fact he can and try to force/bully your biased opinions and views on others. Guess what? It's not gonna happen!

And you state my arguements has revolved around Hulk's high-end feats? What about yours?! Thor against Celestials, Thor against Glory, blah blah blah blah! And you wanna talk hypocrisy? Dude, look no further than yourself. Thor holding back. Hulk's popularity. Thor fighting in a slugfest. Thor wasn't at full power. It's always these same, false, lame-ass excuses. I'm sick of hearing it.

Hulk and Thor are equals. It doesn't matter how you look at it. In fact, it should be clear to even you that it's the truth. Accept it.

@GreenScar1990: Hulk and Thor are equals until Thor stops holding back. I've never liked this compromising stance and I still don't. Thor is superior plain and simple if he's allowed to bring his full might to bear. If they slug it out, the Hulk will always win. (well all forms above Banner Hulk anyway) But that's only if Thor chooses to do so.

It doesn't matter, in the end. Chuck Norris will roundhouse kick and then punch them with the hidden fist behind his beard. Game over.

Hulk and Thor are equals.

Neither is superior to the other.

Hulk fights Thor, neither holding anything back, they'd most like kill each other and destroy whatever planet (or at least a city or state) they're on.

That's the whole truth of this discussion that both sides, Hulk and Thor fans alike, refuse to acknowledge and accept.

Me, on the other hand, I gladly accept this.

Simple as that, my friend.

Instead of focusing on this division, why not consider the potential of Hulk and Thor teaming up? What do you say? Marvel's two most powerful heroes battling threats that no two other powerhouses can stand against. I glad say... Smash at thee!!!!

Hulk

@GreenScar1990 said:

Once again, Old_Chris, you toss everything I said aside in favor of your own opinions and beliefs.

Thor beat Hulk in Fear Itself? Right. As in collapsing face first after delivering his most powerful shot to Nul-Hulk. And I would hardly call Nul-Hulk an amped version of the Green Goliath. There's nothing that Nul-Hulk did that a pissed Savage Hulk couldn't have pulled off.

And Hulk doesn't far well against magic? What do you call withstanding powerful blasts and getting cannonball sized holes punched through you by an Omega-level mystical demon like Zom, who sends Sky-Father level beings like Dormmamu and Umar running? And I hate to tell ya, but Thor hasn't fared well against magic either. Hulk has withstood some very powerful magic from beings equal or way above Thor's level.

And what about KO'ing Thor in Incredible Hulk Annual 2001, the very same comic Thor blasted Hulk with lightning and the very same one that Hulk buried Thor under a mountain of rubble that took the Thunder God hours to dig out of?

And you discredit his fight against the Sentry! Talk about low! Sentry was powerful enough to take on Thor, the Avengers, Loki with the Rune Stones, several super hero teams and SHIELD by himself during SHIELD! And he didn't nearly cut loose like he did against Hulk during World War Hulk! He even told Hulk that he was the only being he could unleash his full power upon! Did you seem him bust out a power of a million exploding suns on Thor? No, not even once. Held back as Osborn ordered.

And the fight with Warrior Madness Thor in Incredible Hulk #440? Thor was indeed at full power. I've got the scans to prove it! And if that isn't a win for Hulk, than neither is Thor BFRing Nul-Hulk and collapsing face first in the dirt.

You talk and degrade Hulk's moments of durability and power, yet you boast Thor's and accept them without question? Freaking hypocrite! And let me tell something. The only reason those 1,000 winds hurt Glory at all was because the attack was made from within the being. The only way Thor beat Glory in their first battle at all was because Mjolnir absorbed Glory's blast and redirected it back at the entity. And the subject of Glory being a Sky-Father entity is up for debate and is most likely hyperbole, cause Thor's got his butt easily kicked by Odin and Zeus without any real trouble.

And something else you've got to learn. Regardless of incarnation, Hulk is powerful. Gray Hulk, the weakest incarnation, shattered an asteroid twice the size of earth with one blow unscathed. Now, if Gray Hulk can do that, imagine what Savage, Professor, Green Scar and other incarnations are truly capable of doing and withstanding!

And once again you claim Thor can shrink Hulk with transmutation and squash him. Forget it. It won't work and it isn't gonna happen. Transmutation of any kind has been futile on the Hulk. And Hulk isn't go to be instantly vaporized if he was teleported into the sun. Get over it. Same lame excuse that you so-called claim would work.

Then you think Hulk can't break through Thor's vortex?! Are you serious? Hulk has shattered and powered through Vector's powers several times, powers that have even repelled reality itself, power that can casually move numerous planets with relative ease! Or how about Hulk overpowering the Stranger's energy vortex that could change the orbit of planets? Hmm? Nothing?

And what makes you honestly think Thor's God Blast can kill Hulk? Where in blue blazes hell do you honestly think it can kill the Hulk? Where the hell is your proof? And better yet, what makes you think Hulk can't withstand it? Hmm? Huh? I would very much like to know. Who is to say Hulk's healing can't last forever? He keeps fighting and getting up. Feasted on by Elder Spikes who thrive on universal energies and dying stars, blasted through the chest by Trauma's laser cannon that can blast through planets, taking a brutal beating from an entire Pantheon of Gods, it's Sky-Father, and eaten down to the bone for 3 days by giants buzzards while previous helping to save the multiverse from the Chaos King and his hordes and before that battling his Old Power crazed son who wants to smash a planet into earth... I could go on for days.

And you do know that more intelligent versions of Hulk have used Bannertech devices for flight/teleportation/shielding, right? Oh, wait! No you haven't because you know nothing about the Hulk or Bruce Banner! You just throw your weight around, declaring that Hulk can't do this or can't survive that, when in fact he can and try to force/bully your biased opinions and views on others. Guess what? It's not gonna happen!

And you state my arguements has revolved around Hulk's high-end feats? What about yours?! Thor against Celestials, Thor against Glory, blah blah blah blah! And you wanna talk hypocrisy? Dude, look no further than yourself. Thor holding back. Hulk's popularity. Thor fighting in a slugfest. Thor wasn't at full power. It's always these same, false, lame-ass excuses. I'm sick of hearing it.

Hulk and Thor are equals. It doesn't matter how you look at it. In fact, it should be clear to even you that it's the truth. Accept it.

Oh, the irony.

Yeah, he did. That is a win for Thor. And Tom Breevort confirmed that was an amped Hulk. Still lost.

Once again you have resorted to bringing up much stronger versions of Hulk in order to make a point against regular Thor i.e WWH. Which is, irrelevant. Then go ahead and name people regular Hulk has withstood that has magic on par with Thor.

Yeah....that was a win for Hulk. I already said that. Why are you going back there?

Discredit? And where the hell did you come upon that interpretation? I just said that Sentry in that fight was not using any kind of power equal to a million suns, because he wasn't. If anything your highly over crediting that feat since your trying to give Sentry power he has never displayed in an attempt to make Hulk look good.

No, he wasn't. If you have scans, then surely you have the one where it shows Thor's power functioning off someone else's. I would call Thor's fight in Fear Itself a win given the circumstances of it, since while already weakened he fought both and amped Hulk and Thing and was victorious.

Once again you are making crap up in your own delusional mind. I am hardly using any high ends from Thor at all. And do you even have any idea what your talking about? The attack he used to beat Glory was not the Winds attack. That was an attack Thor dished out himself that hurt him. Nope, the writer in an interview already stated Glory was a sky father level being, how many times does this need to be said? And I love how your the one complaining about it when I could just as easily say that Hulk having success over powerful hell lords in their realm, who you claim are Dormammu level who in turn is sky father level, is complete BS since Zeus lmaoroflstomped the living day lights out of Hulk with his bare fists and there are tons of other characters who aren't even at that level like Iron Man and Abomination who have defeated Hulk several times.

You see, this is what I mean when I say Hulks best feats are mostly a bunch of absurd high ends. Grey Hulk, who is considered the weakest incarnation, destroyed an asteroid 2x the size of Earth in one hit, something Savage Hulk has never done before, but at the same time has these high ends where he has strength on a dimensional level, but then WB Hulk, who is considered the strongest incarnation, has never done anything like that either and was actually portrayed at only being a planet buster. Hulk is a power level fluctuating PIS machine.

Yet it already has worked. Goom already did it. Thor can do the same. Sure Hulk will get vaporized in the suns core. There is already evidence to that. If you want to ignore it to make you feel better, fine by me.

Still couldn't get past it.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...ulk01JIM112.jpg

Because, the God Blast is an attack that has always been portrayed at a level that can hurt sky father level beings. Hulk isn't surviving that. But just for the sake of debating, I don't believe he needs to resort to an attack like that anyway.

So? I'm not talking about those versions. Irrelevant as usual. Did you know there are versions of Thor that are elder god level?

I actually laughed out loud when I read what you just said. "The celestials! Glory! Blaaaah! First off, when did I say anything about the celestials? And I hope you realize the only real high ends I used in favor of Thor was the attack he used against Glory and the God blast, which are things that have actually always been portrayed at that power, unlike you who has been glorifying Hulk with a bunch of absurd high ends that go against consistent power levels. The rest I have been saying is casual/average stuff. You know, if I actually did want to dwell on Thor high ends, I could just say Thor has damaged a celestial who shrugged off attacks from an amped Destroyer and hurt a freaking multiversal level being with one bolt of lightning, but you don't see me doing that, do you?

And what world do you live in? Excuses? Its called facts. Thor holds back? Sure he does, there is tons of evidence to support that and it should be fairly self explanatory anyway seeing as how he doesn't use attacks like God Blast and soul stealing everywhere. Hulk is more popular? Sure he is, that's why there are movies like Hulk Vs. Thor fighting in a slug fest? Sure he does, 97% of all his fights with Hulk he does nothing but brawl. Thor wasn't at full power? If your talking about his fight with Maestro Hulk, then sure, it says so in the damn comic. Only a delusional, biased fan boy would attempt to call things like this "excuses and lies", which frankly is a rather common standard for Hulk supporters.

Sure. Keep telling yourself that. At this point I hardly care anymore seeing as how you continue to waste my time with the same BS.

You can rot in your denial. Facts are still facts.

Ignoring Old_Chris. You can believe what you want to believe, dude, but it doesn't make it any less false. You claim that Hulk is a PIS machine, well, I hate ot break it to you, but so is Thor. Both characters are, if you've taken the time to read through their individual 50 year comic runs. But that's okay. I'm cool. I've long tired of your biased BS from the get go. Ignore my facts, my proof, my evidence. Don't care. Rot in your biased denial. Doesn't matter to me.

Last time I'm saying this.

Hulk and Thor are equals.

Neither is superior to the other.

Hulk fights Thor, neither holding anything back, they'd most like kill each other and destroy whatever planet (or at least a city or state) they're on.

That's the whole truth of this discussion that both sides, Hulk and Thor fans alike, refuse to acknowledge and accept.

Me, on the other hand, I gladly accept this.

Simple as that, my friend.

Instead of focusing on this division, why not consider the potential of Hulk and Thor teaming up? What do you say? Marvel's two most powerful heroes battling threats that no two other powerhouses can stand against. I glad say... Smash at thee!!!!

Thor and Hulk are equals! oth have PIS strength and can do anything required by the story. We should stop arguing amongst ourselves and rally for better treatment of the characters we love. Neither should job all the time and be misrepresented.

@GreenScar1990: You just keep doing that. Continue to claim Hulk and Thor are equals despite all the evidence to the contrary.

And you know, from what I see the only real reason why your even claiming that is not based on actual overall power sets and abilities, but rather all the times where Thor is holding back, never using any of his powers, and just brawling. If that's the case, then it truly is biased fanboyism at its best.

That is not proof they are equals. That is proof that Thor needs to constantly hold back and forget everything that makes him powerful in order to make Hulk appear their equals, which kind of leads on to when I actually presented abilities Thor can use to easily handle Hulk at anytime, Hulk seemed to greatly pale in comparison, which then lead on to you constantly ignoring them and continuing to repeat the same crap because you can't handle the truth.

@Old_Chris: Whatever.

You belive what you want to believe, and I'll believe what I want to blieve.

Sound fair enough?

@GreenScar1990: Believing something does not make it true when Thor has better feats.

@TheAcidSkull: I win the thread now.