The Walking Dead Episode 516 - "Conquer"

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*Yeah, there's definitely SPOILERS in here. It is the season finale, after all!*

"Because these people are children and children like stories."

The Walking Deadhas been teasing us over and over again with the return of Morgan (an awesome character and actor) and the debut of the Wolves. Well, why not give us both at the same time, right? Instead of immediately following-up what went down with Rick in the last cliffhanger, the first scene of the season finale finally gives us a great look at what's going on with Morgan and the infamous group. The scene finds a decent way to give us some exposition (why are they called the Wolves and why would this dude suddenly babble about it?) and it shows us just how much Morgan has changed. As if those updates weren't satisfying enough, it then busts out a pretty entertaining brawl and concludes in a terrific way. "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you."

When you go into a season finale of The Walking Dead, part of you obviously expects a major death. The way this season has been going, it wouldn't be a huge surprise if at least two noteworthy characters were turned into zombie chow. You may not want one to die and you may not like who they kill and/or how they do it, but it's something you're getting ready to witness. That's something the minds behind the show are well aware of, so I love the way this one was paced and how it was directed. It attempted to make us think several characters are in danger, and then ends on a surprisingly promising note that also teases a ton of madness in the near future. If you went in wanting shock value, you're probably feeling disappointed. However, I love how they didn't deliver on that, basically defying what so many expected. I mean, they do hit us with a kill, but it really isn't that staggering -- we know the character's nice, but the emotional connection just isn't there yet. Still, it's still an important death because it brings about a big change.

I know thousands -- maybe millions? -- would scream and rage if Daryl was killed, but considering his journey this season and the handling of his scenes in this episode, I was feeling pretty certain he and/or Aaron wouldn't make it out of this one. I mean, they attempt to make him look so cool at first ("Hey girl, I'm just riding on my bike and looking like a boss"), he admits he feels like home out there in the mayhem and not back in Alexandria, and then he offers to basically go out in a blaze of glory. It's one of those moments that feels too obvious, but considering how many people love the character, it seemed like a fitting way to have him meet his end. You had me sure one of them would perish, The Walking Dead.

I like how we had the parallel scenes of two survivors contemplating whether they should kill other people. I didn't think either scene would follow through with it, but it's still pretty engaging and insightful. Despite all of the pathetic, foolish and evil things Nicholas did (he better be in same major trouble when they get back), Glenn still resisted ending him. I'm sure that'll frustrate some of you, but it shows just how strong Glenn has become. After all that fool put him through, he's still the better man and hopefully the experience was a (painful) lesson for Nicholas. If that doesn't put him on the right track, it'll be pretty upsetting. With Sasha, it's uncertain whether she would have done it and I kind of love that. I mean, we're leaning towards the possibility she would have pulled the trigger and I figured something would stop her, but it's great this show is still reminding us just how much this world can impact a person's mind. I want her to recover, but I really hope this group chat doesn't immediately place her back on the right track. You can't go from relaxing in a pile of zombies (looks incredibly comfortable, by the way) to being totally cool so suddenly. Sure, I wasn't believing for a second that Glenn would die (the "I love you" felt like the kiss of death, but the scenario didn't feel like end a character like him would receive), but they still did a good job throwing a lot of tension into this one. I'm glad the biggest moments were attempting to be character-driven and didn't rely on shock value. But again, the big death isn't, well, big, but it's important for the story.

I can't be the only one seriously hoping for a Carol and Abraham team-up, right? Carol continues to be a ridiculously entertaining character as she puts up this act. Her saying, "I'm sure we can work this all out," and then smiling innocently made me crack up. Who would have thought she'd turn into one of the craftiest and most badass characters in the show? Meanwhile, Abraham's blunt nature is such a delight. As characters attempt to make a legitimate case for Rick, he just says it like it is and it's hilarious. His moment with Eugene was short and sweet (good for Rosita for pushing the moment) and that was desperately needed so they can move past the craziness that happened and start working together next season. Simply put, a Carol and Abraham adventure needs to happen because they're both so lovable yet still insanely formidable.

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Just like you'd expect from any other episode of The Walking Dead, there's some pretty attention-grabbing practical effects as we get multiple close-ups of the hungry undead and even some shots of mutilated ones. It's always pretty noticeable when they need to use CGI, but that didn't stop Daryl and Aaron's action scene from being all kinds of memorable. That chain whip was amazing -- does anyone else think Daryl should become the next Ghost Rider? -- and Rick's close encounter was *ahem* jaw-dropping. Man, even Gabriel had a surprisingly brutal encounter. Whether it was bloody violence or Morgan channeling his inner Gambit/Donatello to deliver some blunt force trauma, the action and effects in this finale were solid.

My biggest criticism of this episode is just how predictable and head-scratching some of the scenes were. When all is said and done, I love the stage that has now been set for Season 6, but they telegraphed a lot of stuff way too soon and that really took away from some of the surprises that were supposed to be intense. Like, no one really thought Glenn would die like that, right? (No idea how he got out of that situation after the damage he took, but whatever.) Or that it wasn't painfully obvious the coward was leading him out there? Or that the shots of cans on strings and Aaron's happiness didn't mean a trap was right around the corner? Or that the shot of Pete didn't have you waiting until he emerged and freaked out yet again? And why are zombies ninjas when they need to be? A bunch go through the gate and they don't head towards the various people who are talking and roaming freely in the community because they feel totally safe? I get the dog barking could have lured them, but it's a little tough to believe they didn't hear all of the various people gathering. I could go on and on here (seriously, I have a lot of notes from this episode), but the simple point is there were some moments that were way too predictable. Also, I love the scene of Gabriel outside of the wall (especially the contrast of that beautiful setting/the sound of nature and, well, that), but once he came back, it was frustrating and pretty obviously where this was going. From the gate to Sasha, it didn't really throw any surprises our way and I was left feeling way more interested in the other things going on. Oh, and why did no one attempt to discredit Gabriel when his words were used against them?

Random thoughts: Michonne's line to Rick ("something's going to happen; just don't make something happen") was awesome. And the empty look in Rick's eyes during that big moment in the end? Wow. Now I'm kind of tempted to rewatch the first episode so I can better appreciate just how much Rick and Morgan have changed. Does anyone else think Negan's leading the Wolves?

If you expected an "epic" or "shocking" season finale, I'm guessing you're going to be feeling pretty disappointed. Instead of giving us one stunner that'll leave viewers speechless, the episode focuses heavily on character and takes some solid steps to build the hype for the next season. It does throw some very predictable and frustrating moments our way, but I'm glad it continues to remind us just how much of a toll this bleak and horrifying world could take on someone's psyche while also giving us a good amount of zombie insanity and story buildup. The Alexandria story still has so more much potential (do yourself a favor and read that story arc, people!), so yeah, you can bet I'm looking forward to the next season. It may not feel like an epic "end" to a season, but it sure does feel like a great start for a new one.

Oh, and please tell me someone has already made a "Come at me, bro" image of Carol.

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The first minutes of Morgan was one of the best moments of the season and a small part of me really thought that Daryl and Aaron were gonna meet their demise.

Still, a good season finale.

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Great episode

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#3  Edited By batsymyplaything

No shocking death, I'm fine with that, lol. I have to agree with OP, it was nice change of pace from major death. I really like how Rick made his entrance, "F*** telling them about they need protection, look what I've brought and what got in." Lol.

I guess Negan will be introduced in the next season?

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The episode kinda felt meh to me,ending wasn't so exciting,was just hoping for a big shocker.

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The episode was alright.

The Wolves/Morgan scene was better than most of season 5 IMO.

I wish we got to see more of them.

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I found it interesting that the twists were mostly from not killing someone then from a character death. There were at least three characters whose deaths would almost be desired from a viewing standpoint, but characters were forgiven, resolved or survived. The positive situations seemed the most surprising.

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Was a good episode but it didn't feel like a season finale...actually I take that back the last bit was pretty reminiscent of the season right before they go to the prison. Still it didn't really fell all that big for a season finale.

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I think this has been my favourite season IMO. Except for the whole stuff with Beth and the hospital. Apart from that, I have really enjoyed this season. I reckon the next season will be based on the No Way Out arc and they Wolves unleash the walkers in the trailers on Alexandra. Also, the man Aaron mentioned to Daryl I think might be Dwight or Negen. Those are just my theories for season 6.

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#9  Edited By Pelykan

About time they reintroduced him. Been waiting on him for like 10 episodes now.

I really thought he would return after Tyrese was killed, you know to keep the percentage of black guys in check but the creators had to kill another black guy off first. Unfortunately because I was kind of interested what could happen when everybody started loving Chris.

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Five stars. The best episode of TWD I've ever seen.

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Nah, I'm pretty sure that Negan won't be leading the wolves, it's not his style.

4/5 seems right to me, good episode, it was genuinely upsetting when Morgan sees what Rick has become.

Pete was such a worm, Gabriel's the same, I just know Gabriel won't bite it too.

Days Gone Bye is still my favourite episode.

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Excellent episode!

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#14  Edited By buttersdaman000

It was an excellent episode but it definitely didn't live up to the hype. Actors, producers, and writers were giving interviews on multiple major media sites hyping big action, deaths, and game changers this episode, but it seems like all we got was the prelude. They did the same thing for last seasons finale. I just think I would've enjoyed it more if they were honest about the hype. Anyways, again, it was excellent.

Can somebody please edit Darth Mauls light saber into the Morgan fight scenes gifs lmao

New predictions:

  • Wolves/Scavengers stuff will be extended through 6a
  • Hilltop community stuff will be 6b
  • Negan season 6 finale
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Great season finale! I really thought Glenn was really gonna die. And Morgan (how did I forget him?) was beautifully done, maybe he went underground and met Master Splinter or something.

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#17  Edited By Mutant God

I guess the Morale Compass always has to die RIP Reggie

I think it would be interesting if Maggie walked in on Sasha killing Gabriel, thus Maggie would have to kicked someone out of the group but I guessed not and porbably there going to be on Team Morgan instead of Team Rick.

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Just a tip, never think Daryl is going to die. He quite casually pushed his way through a horde of walkers to get to that car. Daryl is never going to die in this show. Like Beth said, he's gonna be the last man standing.

I though this episode was pretty darn good. Morgan reminded us why he's so great, rick and the group showed how unified and strong they are, and there were some awesome lines.

This set up season six quite nicely. Morgan will be an exciting addition to the show, and I'm more curious about the wolves and how formidable they are, especially considering Morgan could have killed two of them at once. Hoping the decision to leave then alive doesn't come back to bite him. He's an awesome character and will make a strong addition to ricks family. He hasn't been with them all this time, but I still think rick would consider him family in this world, or he will become apart of it very soon.

I also am excited to see rick start leading the ASZ more. It took the death of Reg for them to realize, but they are prepared for this world and they need Rick. Maybe next season he will actually start a real relationship with jessie, and seeing what changed Morgan since "Clear" should be awesome. Great conclusion to the season and I can't wait to see where it goes from here. I thought that there was some dissent in ricks group after seeing michonne KO him and Glenn disagree with his statements about the ASZ people, but I was happy to see that they still trust rick and are on his side no matter what.

I also don't mind if it seemed predictable at some points. Its a drama show and what happened with Glenn and Nicholas was certainly dramatic. "Please Not Glenn" was actually trending on Twitter when people thought he might die. Pete attacking was obvious but the drama is what mattered and it led to an awesome moment with the death of reg.

I think the group just discredited and ignored Gabriel's statement and didn't feel the need to fight against it, because honestly it was a ridiculous thing to say and gabriel doesn't understand this world.

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Excellent episode, and I think this is as close as we can come to a happy ending on the Walking Dead.

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Carol did so much work in this. Melissa McBride is effing brilliant.

And the tension in this episode was almost too much for me to bare. Even though, as you said, every twist was predictable. I regard this show like Breaking Bad, that is to say, you think you know what's coming and then a plane falls out of the sky.

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@thor_parker82: Yeah. Why?

I want to read them, but the fact that they are in black and white keeps me away. That´s the reason I haven´t read any (Well I have only read one, the one where Glenn dies), so if you could tell me from where can I start and don´t get confused, or which story arcs are good, I´ll appreciate it.

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#24  Edited By rogueshadow  Moderator

@thor_parker82: Don't let the colour (or lack thereof) put you off, it really doesn't make a difference once you get used to it. It would be a lot cheaper to buy the compendiums than buying trades, so just get the first compendium. I got it on Play.com (rakuten) for about £25 ($37), that has the first 48 issues in it. Muchcheaper than buying the trades.

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@thor_parker82: Don't let the colour (or lack thereof) put you off, it really doesn't make a difference once you get used to it. It would be a lot cheaper to buy the compendiums than buying trades, so just get the first compendium. I got it on Play.com (rakuten) for about £25 ($37), that has the first 48 issues in it. Muchcheaper than buying the trades.

Thanks for the advice, I´ll try the compendiums.

Also, which story arc has been the best in your opinion ?

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@thor_parker82: I'd say around issues 27 - 48 (the Governor), 61 -66 (The Hunters) and 91 - 114 (Hilltop & Negan) were my favourites. There's been a drop off in quality recently though. #48 is still the best single issue in my opinion, though Fear the Hunters is the best story arc.

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@rogueshadow: So would you recommend me to start from the very beggining until now ?

There are like 130 issues right ?

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@thor_parker82: It's a very linear story, I don't think you should pick up halfway through. The preceding issues are always relevant, and they aren't self contained stories that pick up with a villain of the week. I'd say that you could, if you really wanted to skip the first 26 issues, but you really can't skip over the Governor, it's too big and has a big effect on characters and their motivations basically until Negan comes about.

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@rogueshadow: Well, then I am going to start from the very beggining.

Thanks :D

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Excellent episode it really showed who Rick is and what is needed to live in this new world.

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I thought it was a solid episode.

Loved the beginning scene with Morgan

I actually like the idea of the shocking moment of the episode was that there was no major death.

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Five stars. The best episode of TWD I've ever seen.

I TOLD YOU Nickas Rick Was Right.

Great episode

Yep!!!!!

Only annoying thing is once again the Walkers are conveniently nerfed when the plot calls for it. A group of walkers can bash through department store safety glass, but can't break through car glass? Also everytime a walker gets the drop on a main character with plot armor, they don't try to scratch or tear at the person, they only seem to want to use their teeth. Besides that this was an amazing episode and some really great character development. I think Ole girl is gonna feel terrible she didn't let Rick kill Pete earlier of course.

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@lukehero said:

@the_stegman said:

Five stars. The best episode of TWD I've ever seen.

I TOLD YOU Nickas Rick Was Right.

@thor_parker82 said:

Great episode

Yep!!!!!

Only annoying thing is once again the Walkers are conveniently nerfed when the plot calls for it. A group of walkers can bash through department store safety glass, but can't break through car glass? Also everytime a walker gets the drop on a main character with plot armor, they don't try to scratch or tear at the person, they only seem to want to use their teeth. Besides that this was an amazing episode and some really great character development. I think Ole girl is gonna feel terrible she didn't let Rick kill Pete earlier of course.

Yeah, they spent a lot of time in the car, I was like "when the hell are they going to break it ?". I agree, this was an amazing episode, and the blonde girl is really hot. Did you know she was the redhead maid in American Horror Story ?

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@thor_parker82: Jessie? Yeah, and I like the fact she started standing up for Rick.

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@jbreen said:

I thought it was a solid episode.

Loved the beginning scene with Morgan

I actually like the idea of the shocking moment of the episode was that there was no major death.

Yeah, I mean isn't it much more shocking for a Death to randomly come in the middle of the season than a season premiere or finale?

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@thor_parker82: Jessie? Yeah, and I like the fact she started standing up for Rick.

I wonder if she will be mad due to Rick killing Pete, I guess not, but there´s the possibility.

So have you seen her in American Horror Story or not ?

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@thor_parker82: I didn't watch American Horror Story, only seen clips. I think she will have mixed feelings, but I mean pete did just kill a guy. But, her son is gonna ask, where's my dad?

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@lukehero said:

@thor_parker82: I didn't watch American Horror Story, only seen clips. I think she will have mixed feelings, but I mean pete did just kill a guy. But, her son is gonna ask, where's my dad?

Dude, go and watch the first season of AHS right now, in the series, "Jessie" is a maid, but not any made, she´s an extremely hot maid that dresses provocatively and seduces the owner of the house each episode, she has lesbian sex in an episode. The maid is a total slut, she did a blow job to a guy that wanted to buy the house, in another scene where she was cleaning the floor, she was in a "doggy style" position and her clothes were too short that you could see her entire a$$. Seriously, if you find Jessie attractive, go and watch American Horror Story right now.

I don´t think the son will be too much problem, he was the one that asked Carol for a gun. He may be happy that his mom is no longer in danger.

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Anyone else think maybe Glenn got bit?

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@lukehero said:

@jbreen said:

I thought it was a solid episode.

Loved the beginning scene with Morgan

I actually like the idea of the shocking moment of the episode was that there was no major death.

Yeah, I mean isn't it much more shocking for a Death to randomly come in the middle of the season than a season premiere or finale?

Yeah, I think its important they do keep us guessing in terms of when deaths will actually happen.

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@roaris87: If Glenn got bit he would have shot himself after killing Nick of course. Pretty sure being bite would have guaranteed he would have shot Nick.

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@lukehero:

Yea, that's a good point. Or at least say screw Nicholas and head straight back to Alexandria and try to amputate. I was just expecting someone to die and have a bad feeling for Glenn