The Flash "Going Rogue"

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"When it comes to hacking, I'm the fastest woman alive."

This week's episode of The Flashtries to add a little more drama, but not even a semi-grumpy Barry Allen can prevent this show from being a whole lot of fun. WhileArrow opens by talking about a hellish island, The Flash's opening puts a smile on your face and follows through with a funny scene (totally not a jab at Arrow -- just pointing out the difference).

Yes, this episode introduces Captain Cold, but let's talk about Felicity first. Emily Bett Rickards fits right in in Central City. Oliver Queen technically needs her talents for his crime fighting, but Felicity is such a good addition to this happier and more lighthearted series. Not only is the dynamic with Grant Gustin amazingly adorable (I'm sure the ending with be polarizing, but we'll get to that in a bit), but her charming personality and wit plays off of the other characters so well. After seeing them interact, you can't help but wonder why he still has his heart set on Iris. It's almost frustrating at one point, actually. However, the final sequence between the two does a blunt and effective job addressing this relationship. I'm sure many of you will react with something like, "What?! Why don't they at least try?!" It's an understandable feeling, but I felt the approach was humanizing. It does seemingly contradict the conclusion between Arrow and Felicity in their own show just a bit, but even with that in mind, you can't really help who you love, can you? Additionally, she's needed back in Starling City. Without her skills, Oliver's mission wouldn't be nearly as effective. They recognize they care for one another, but even though it seems to defy all logic, their hearts are still dedicated to someone else. It may seem like a bummer, but it ends on a happy note and I'd say it leaves them better than ever -- as great friends with the tension removed. Oh, and Felicity's nerd rage comment was priceless. That's undoubtedly a jab at negative comments about Arrow (or maybe even Olicity?). It's too bad she has to head back to Arrow. But hey, Ray Palmer can't be the only one lightening the mood over there.

In the last review, I said it might be in Jesse L. Martin's contract that he needs to make a "cry face" at least once per episode. Well, it's looking like that may be true, because he did it again and it still gets to me. That dude really knows how to pull empathy from you. Luckily, the handling of the relationship drama involving his daughter wasn't as prevalent or heavy-handed as the last time, so it didn't interfere with the bigger picture and it wasn't completely ignored, either. It struck a nice balance and enhanced the Barry/Felicity arc. Also, someone needs to give Cisco Ramon (Carlos Valdes) a hug after this episode. The dude's been nothing but sweet, so it's tough seeing him get reprimanded not once, but twice! The bit with Harrison Wells (Tom Cavanagh) was a nice reminder of his true nature -- and maybe even made Cisco a little curious about him -- but the escalation with Barry felt a little abrupt. Yes, I understand Barry's dealing with a death, but the continued tension felt a bit forced. It wasn't over the top and it helped the episode's theme, but it still came off as a bit sudden and slightly out-of-character for Barry. Yeah, he blew up at Detective West in a previous episode, but I felt like that was also a "well, that escalated quickly" kind of moment. Still, it's a pretty minor complaint. And speaking of Cisco, who else was really hoping he'd save the day with some kind of vibrational gun?

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The train sequence looked terrific and was totally exciting. Watching Barry run through the streets or test his powers in S.T.A.R. Labs is consistently amusing, but it's a real treat when we see him really push his limits to save the day. It's a perfect way to follow-up what happened back at the Museum, too. There, he wasn't fast enough and couldn't save everyone. Here, he faced a seemingly impossible scenario and overcame the odds.

I wasn't a huge fan of last week's cliffhanger, but this week's? Pure fan service! This scene certainly took advantage of the episode's title. It's great they broke the "villain is killed or incarcerated" formula and the way things ended between Captain Cold and Flash's crew was really funny. Now we just have to wait and see how long it'll take for Leonard Snart to build his team.

My biggest complaint about "Going Rogue" is that it seems to downplay Flash for the sake of the story. The opening sequence shows how effective he is at multitasking, but then he can't stop a few goons getting on motorcycles before bringing an injured guy to the hospital. Yes, I understand time is of the essence and that man has been shot, but before that encounter, we saw how much Barry can accomplish in a matter of mere seconds. You'd think he could knock those dudes out and then pick up the injured guy in a few seconds at most, you know? The first encounter between Flash and Captain Cold justifies why it was difficult for him -- credit where it's due -- but the final one could have been resolved so swiftly. Even if Barry's a little slower, he still could have ran the few feet up to Captain Cold and punched or even disarmed the villain before Cold could have aimed his gun. Even when Barry's slower, that wasn't a difficult distance for him to cover. For me, that's going to be one of the biggest obstacles this show will face. If you show off Barry's jaw-dropping abilities in more lighthearted moments, it's tough not to wonder why he can't do that when he needs to.

Minor gripe: Cold puns work in a comic, but it feels a little off coming from this more serious and darker take on the character, and they were a little too frequent in the episode. Also, given this is one of Geoff Johns' favorite villains, it was a little surprising to see Captain Cold being more violent. I'm not an expert on the Rogue, but I've always been under the impression he has a code and tries to avoid killing. Here, he begins by saying he has a policy against hurting officers (because it draws additional attention), but then he has no gripe killing a teammate or another guy just so he doesn't have to pay for the gun. Please feel free to scream at me in the comments if I'm completely wrong on that one. Even though it seems like a departure, Wentworth Miller is easily the best villain yet and has the most charisma. The other villains felt bland and like they were just there to show off some cool powers (so not an intentional pun). With Snart, you can tell there's way more depth, personality and potential there. One more very minor gripe: Did anyone else notice Barry and Felicity had different outfits when they left the park and then arrived at S.T.A.R. Labs? It seemed like they were going straight to the Lab from the park, right?

"Going Rogue" has some enjoyable special effects and bringing Felicity to Central City adds so many more charming and comedic moments. Frequent puns and downplaying Barry's abilities aside, this was still an incredibly entertaining episode which focused on the challenges Barry faces as both a hero and a person. Even when dealing with death and anger, there's still an overwhelming sense of happiness and optimism in this show and that makes it such a good time. The Flash is a ton of fun and continues to keep me smiling.

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It really starting to look like Flash might have a stronger season than Arrow this year.

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The Rogues don't avoid killing --- they kill if they have to without worrying about it too much, but they don't run around killing for the heck of it. Their code says they don't kill women and children for honor reasons, and they don't kill speedsters because they don't want the Justice League to come down on their heads.

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@saren: Then again since there is no Justice League Barry is gonna have to watch out... UNLESS they decide to make a Shazam show and do a big crossover episode with Billy, Oliver, and Barry being a take on the Trinity.

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I definitely thought this to be the best episode thusfar. Even though I was also offput by Snart's free killing, he still managed to be the most compelling adversary the show has yet seen. I do hope that we get a more humanizing look at the character someday, complete with flashbacks. If it's one thing the Arrowverse is weak in, its giving depth to their small-scale villains. Cold feels like he can be the exception to that tendency. Felicity was a good addition, but I agree that more could've been done throughout the episode to show that their relationship wouldn't work. We really only saw snippets of Barry's side with Iris. Enough was shown that it wasn't completely jarring at the end when they discussed why their relationship wouldn't work, but more buildup would have been appreciated.

8.5/10 from me. Solid despite some minor gripes. Looking forward to the Rogues!

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@the_kidd: You have to give Arrow sometime. You have to give the characters in Arrows some time to catch their breath with all the stuff they have been through. Im pretty sure starting with the next Episode all the way to the finale Arrow will have its foot on the gas.

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@Gregg Katzman They are probably going to go with the moral code route later on with the Captain Cold. Maybe he will develope that code later on. We be so quick to judge the shows before they get started lets wait and see what happens.

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Really enjoyed this episode. Also liked how they handled the Barry/Felicity relationship. I suddenly want Captain Cold and the Rogues!

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#9  Edited By Boynerdgeek

This is the best episode of this show. You can tell that Geoff Johns love Captain Cold so much. And yes Johns is the guy that makes Cold use the cold gun again in new 52 (not sure I like captain cold that use cold gun or use superpowers tbh)

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#10  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@dadarkknight36310 said:

@Gregg Katzman They are probably going to go with the moral code route later on with the Captain Cold. Maybe he will develope that code later on. We be so quick to judge the shows before they get started lets wait and see what happens.

Just so you know, the comment about his morals doesn't impact the score. It's something I'm not 100% certain about and wanted to bring up for discussion.

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@k4tzm4n: I'm not sure, but I think The Rogues only had the moral codes in The New 52. I never read anything on the rogues until I started reading The Flash from The New 52. When I read about the moral code they had it made question about Mirror Master wanting to kill in Justice League: Doom. But I thought maybe they wanted to change their personalities a bit in The New 52. So, now I'm really gonna have to read pre-New 52 Flash to avoid confusion on character motives, lol.

Edit: I read this on his Comic Vine wiki and it says in other wiki's as well. "Despite being a super-villain, Cold has his own moral code. He also only kills for two reasons: when it is a kill or be killed situation or when he is out for revenge." I guess he just wanted to test Flash or do some pay back on Flash for messing up his heist.

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@boynerdgeek: Yeah Captain Cold is his boy. Its funny thats one of Geoff Johns characters weapons in the lego game the cold gun which was funny.

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Felicity is thicker than a snicker! The episode was good too.

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#14  Edited By dan12456

I loved that final scene between Cold and Heat Wave so much! So excited for it now. Also a bit confused about Cold's morals, I've only started comics a few months ago so I've only read New 52 Flash, but I thought he was against killing too. But someone said above its only women and children, and that would still fit with the show.

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@iceslick: final crisis rouges revenge

@supbatz: I would say captain cold isn't a small villain, he'd be in my top 3 flash villains.

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#16  Edited By unbreakable_fs4

This episode was great. The train scene where Barry saves all the civilians was outstanding!

I hope he chooses to stay with Felicity

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Good episode. If Wentworth Miller could act as good as he looks, it might have been a great episode.

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@obsidian_raindrop1: I know it's a must read about The Rogues a lot of people have told me about it. I will read it when I can get the chance. Thanks.

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#19  Edited By Barkley

its a special show this Flash show

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Anyone catch the COIE reference? ?

"If he runs too fast, will he poof, turn to dust..in a red costume?"

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Felicity is thicker than a snicker! The episode was good too.

i would have gotten with Felicity if i was were Barry. Felicity is fine as hell !

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i am seriously getting fed up with felicity

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i wonder if they will introduce the speed force into the show.

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Poor Felicity, she's no ones canonical love interest =( that dosen't mean I should lose hope for a Ollie-Felicity-Barry polyanmours fwb ship to rule them all right?

Overall really good episodes, some nicely just executed setpieces. They vfx aren't the greaest (of course they can't be) but the execution of the setpieces themselves is what sells them. That I wana say 15-20 second dolly out of Barry taking out the armored truck crew was amazing. The Flash has really distingiusihed itself from Arrow in terms of how fight sequences should work.

Man I kind of hope Eddie Thawne isn't some amlgam of Zolomon or Eobard now. Starting to rather enjoy his kind of generically typica raspy voice mixed with awkwardness.

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What happened after Captain Cold left? I didn't finish the last few minutes

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@cloakx14:

He should've given it a shot. Hell, Ollie should've tried it!

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@gotham331: i certainly would. she would given him all the signals, but no he wants Iris.

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@cloakx14: if he played it right, he could pull them both

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I don't watch arrow so I was really surprised with how much I like Felicity's character. She really does seem to fit right in to the flash group. I knew she couldn't end up being the love interest for Barry since the announcement of that other girl cast as his love interest but I really liked them together and it did irk me a bit that he was still doing that "I love you but your with someone else hurt smile" to Iris even when he had Felicity in a smoking hot dress right there.

I think Captain Cold is still evolving in this episode and that's why his morals aren't fully set yet. He didn't seem particularly happy that Barry couldn't save that one guy.

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Felicity in that dress, though.

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Best episode of the season IMO

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#36  Edited By WheatStalker

Remember those beers we had, those pictures I showed you ... no, you don't, because those are things I do with my friends, and we're not friends. Haha! Joe is the best.

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I thought that this episode should have been 5 stars, I loved it and it is the best episode of the season so far IMO. The Flash is definitely my favorite show right now.

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i am seriously getting fed up with felicity

Me too. Hate how their forcing her into everything.

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Felicity is thicker than a snicker! The episode was good too.

......Have you seen thick women?

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This show sucks. AOS is way better!

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@edgejohn said:

This show sucks. AOS is way better!

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@edgejohn: Even Mark Waid, Jonathan Hickmann, Dan Slott (writers of Marvel comics) love The Flash series. This show that only fans who start flamewars between marvel-dc. The writers never really care for rivalry marvel-dc

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@the_stegman: yes... my dad gave me the goofiest look when they said that and I told him to stop

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This episode seemed to pick the quality up significantly. Last episode was a steep drop but this one was pretty awesome.

Is anyone else hoping that Flash starts to use other powers soon (tornado hands and vibrating through matter)?

That train scene was UNBELIEVABLE.

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#48  Edited By NightFang3

I missed the episode so i'll have to watch it online later.

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The train scene was really cool. I'm glad they added captain cold. I think they actor did a good modern take, i would like to see him become more of the "crusty" captain cold from the comics. Another great episode. I can't wait to see more rogues!

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@Gregg Katzman They are probably going to go with the moral code route later on with the Captain Cold. Maybe he will develope that code later on. We be so quick to judge the shows before they get started lets wait and see what happens.

Thats a good point. It will be interesting to see how they develop him as a character.