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#1 Posted by hylian (1024 posts) - - Show Bio

I keep reading battles between other people and superman and everyone keeps saying that superman will win. Everyone always say's Supes will rip his head off or He will just throw him into the sun. Ya superman is really fast and really strong but he can;t beat everyone. I know that most people agree that he can't beat god level people but everyone thinks that Superman is the mightiest hero ever and they worship him as a god. I think that there are several people that could give Superman a hard time (Hulk, Green lantern, Thor Ect.). I think that people need to learn that Superman is not indistuctable and not immortal.

#2 Edited by ArchiZoom (1008 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman, she can and has done it twice before and before you let loose the usual "he's stronger than her" folderol, if strength was the decisive factor in a fight then Batman would've never beaten Bane. Captain Atom, J'onn with his telepathic abilities despite Superman's heat vision, Zatanna, John Constantine, Jean grey, Xavier, Emma Frost, anyone with a good slab of Kryptonite...

#3 Edited by L3g3ndaryPheonix (114 posts) - - Show Bio

it's a very long list

#4 Edited by AllStarSuperman (20002 posts) - - Show Bio
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#5 Edited by ArchiZoom (1008 posts) - - Show Bio
#6 Posted by Whowatchesthewatchmen (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@archizoom: I agree, she doesn't always but if necessary she propably could, although the same could be said vice versa.

#7 Posted by marvel123 (369 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

Why i hate ww fans...

Because YOU

@allstarsuperman said:

@archizoom: WW vs Supes goes either way.....

I know, the question is who can beat Superman.

Hell,wonder woman CANT beat superman..i dont know why you said this

#9 Posted by ArchiZoom (1008 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: She's done it before while holding back a little bit when he was being mind controlled by Max Lord so obviously she can do it.

#10 Edited by deaditegonzo (3624 posts) - - Show Bio

Martian Manhunter, Silver Surfer, probably current Sentry, Dr. Fate probably, Captain Atom when written well, and a bunch of others. A lot of villains have had their way with him, H'el, Helspont, Darkseid, Doomsday, Mxy, etc.

The reason you keep seeing Superman get easy wins is that you are looking at the wrong characters. Thor for example, even if he was Superman's equal in EVERY OTHER WAY (stamina, durability, strength, etc) and we even spotted him the advantage in striking, Superman's speed advantage is such that he would win every time. If you were fighting someone you were perfectly equal with, and they hit you a million times before you could get a punch in, youd be koed regardless of how equal you are. And I would say them being equal is highly debatable anyway.

Hulk. Lets just say Hulk is stronger than Supes, though the claim is highly suspect. So what? He cant fly, has no ranged abilities, and is not a speedster by any means. What could he do against a Superman who was fighting INTELLIGENTLY? Nothing, not a damn thing. If Supes was bloodlusted, its even more onesided. He can easily lobotomize someone of Hulks durability from a 1000 miles in space.

Green Lantern. Are you kidding? Thought based weapon. Give GL all the advantages if you want, but a Superman who is going all out autowins against an opponent who never even gets the chance to think. GL, especially New 52 GL, is a human being. His mind is still human. He is vulnerable to human weaknesses.

@marvel123 Question not directed at me, but I say at least in current iterations, it shouldnt even be close. Pre52, and there is a lot of content to weigh, with each party needing to agree what makes for a consistent showing.

#12 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: There people said wonder woman beat superman..

@powerwoman: She's done it before while holding back a little bit when he was being mind controlled by Max Lord so obviously she can do it.

Which is PIS

#13 Posted by marvel123 (369 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: cool cool, i just wanted to know someone else's take on aquaman.

one of these days i'll look at the silver surfer's feats, i've only seen him in the fantastic 4 movie and heard all the hype.

#14 Posted by deaditegonzo (3624 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: There people said wonder woman beat superman..

@archizoom said:

@powerwoman: She's done it before while holding back a little bit when he was being mind controlled by Max Lord so obviously she can do it.

Which is PIS

Wonder Woman from a portrayal standpoint has issues. I do believe she is supposed to be one of the few leaguers who can stand toe to toe with Superman (not necessarily win), but she is consistently portrayed as being in a lower tier than Supes. I hope DC fixes this and makes her a solid #2 (along with some other #2's), where she can fight him to a stalemate a good majority of the time (excluding bloodlust and the like). BUT, this HAS TO START IN HER OWN COMIC. You cant just, out of the blue, make a story where she kicks Superman's a**, its ineffective and bound to be called PIS. Now that Azz is gone, maybe her own title will fall more into the DC mainstream, and she will get some feats that add credibility.

#15 Posted by RustyRoy (10920 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash, Captain Atom, MM etc. I think Shazam has 50/50 chances of taking him down.

#16 Edited by ArchiZoom (1008 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: why are her MOST powerful feats PIS and her least powerful feats correct? I'm just wondering who gave you the authority to be the judge of that.

#17 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman said:

@deaditegonzo: There people said wonder woman beat superman..

@archizoom said:

@powerwoman: She's done it before while holding back a little bit when he was being mind controlled by Max Lord so obviously she can do it.

Which is PIS

Wonder Woman from a portrayal standpoint has issues. I do believe she is supposed to be one of the few leaguers who can stand toe to toe with Superman (not necessarily win), but she is consistently portrayed as being in a lower tier than Supes. I hope DC fixes this and makes her a solid #2 (along with some other #2's), where she can fight him to a stalemate a good majority of the time (excluding bloodlust and the like). BUT, this HAS TO START IN HER OWN COMIC. You cant just, out of the blue, make a story where she kicks Superman's a**, its ineffective and bound to be called PIS. Now that Azz is gone, maybe her own title will fall more into the DC mainstream, and she will get some feats that add credibility.

I agree that all,it;s just wonder woman always keep up low level

#18 Edited by deaditegonzo (3624 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: Azz was doing a bad job. A lot of people disagree, a lot of people will hate, but his story was a generic mythology tale that had nothing to do with DC. And Wonder Woman, in the ~17 issues I read didnt do anything of note. With a real comic book writer, she may do comic book things.

@archizoom said:

@powerwoman: why are her MOST powerful feats PIS and her least powerful feats the correct ones? I'm just wondering who gave you the authority to be the judge of that.

Her beating Max Lord, Bloodlusted Superman is PIS, because there is nothing else in her continuity that would support that. In fact, the fight itself doesnt even really support that. Her throat cut came out of nowhere and felt out of place with the rest of the fight. And even that didnt severely wound him, it just snapped him out of it.

#19 Edited by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: 100% agree that,wonder woman serious lack of feats but her fans still belive wonder woman part on the superman level even without 0 feat

#20 Posted by deaditegonzo (3624 posts) - - Show Bio

The Wondy beating Supes thing is so contrived, its actually even a trope: The Worf Effect.

Have a character who needs instant bad a** credibility punch out someone everyone knows is strong. Its weak storytelling, especially in a comic, where you can have 100 issues to show someone's power. Villains have to do this a lot more often, because the story isnt focused on them, and they always have to lose eventually.

#21 Posted by ArchiZoom (1008 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: She's meant to be the 2 most powerful hero in the DCU and the most powerful female. This is what DC has told and promised us, not some figment of my imagination. They announced her relationship with Superman as "the relationship between the most powerful beings on earth". So that tells me Wonder Woman is in Superman's weight category, immediately below him in the pyramid of might and the only reason she's not written like so is because this is a male-led industry. She's got oneness with fire and owns magic weapons, besides being an exceptional fighter which he's decisively not. He's more powerful than Wonder Woman, we agree on that, but I fancy her chances in a 1o1 fight between them because she's not a good match up for him. I see this in terms of a superbly skilled woman vs a very strong male brawler - she wins.

#22 Posted by ArchiZoom (1008 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: you and Powerwoman see the glass half empty when we see it half full. You assume she's weak and her powerful feats are PIS whereas we believe she's powerful and her embarrassing feats are MIS (machismo induced stupidity)

#23 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: She's meant to be the 2 most powerful hero in the DCU and the most powerful female. This is what DC has told and promised us, not some figment of my imagination. They announced her relationship with Superman as "the relationship between the most powerful beings on earth". So that tells me Wonder Woman is in Superman's weight category, immediately below him in the pyramid of might and the only reason she's not written like so is because this is a male-led industry. She's got oneness with fire and owns magic weapons, besides being an exceptional fighter which he's decisively not. He's more powerful than Wonder Woman, we agree on that, but I fancy her chances in a 1o1 fight between them because she's not a good match up for him. I see this in terms of a superbly skilled woman vs a very strong male brawler - she wins.

All the point cant work

1,Wonder woman is much lower than superman not because this is MAN world...she just no feat as all,but not all female 0 feat,like supergirl,you really need read some comic book...

2,DC also said superman is most powerful hero on dc,still superman>>>>wonder woman,she cant wins

3,Based on the entire history,wonder woman nothing to do with superman,not just new 52,pre-crisis,post-crisis,superman alwatys>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wonder woman

#24 Edited by ArchiZoom (1008 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman said:

1,Wonder woman is much lower than superman not because this is MAN world...she just no feat as all,but not all female 0 feat,like supergirl,you really need read some comic book...

2,DC also said superman is most powerful hero on dc,still superman>>>>wonder woman,she cant wins

3,Based on the entire history,wonder woman nothing to do with superman,not just new 52,pre-crisis,post-crisis,superman alwatys>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wonder woman

You're out of control. Superman doesn't exist, he hasn't actually achieved anything. The MEN who write Superman make him achieve those things because that's what they desire, while the MEN who write Wonder Woman don't give her anything.

#25 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

That was funny,what make wonder woman is most powerful woman on DC?beat superman?are you joke?

Wonder woman fight superman is PIS because she never have feats to support that,it's simple

#26 Edited by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman said:

1,Wonder woman is much lower than superman not because this is MAN world...she just no feat as all,but not all female 0 feat,like supergirl,you really need read some comic book...

2,DC also said superman is most powerful hero on dc,still superman>>>>wonder woman,she cant wins

3,Based on the entire history,wonder woman nothing to do with superman,not just new 52,pre-crisis,post-crisis,superman alwatys>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wonder woman

You're out of control. Superman doesn't exist, he hasn't actually achieved anything. The MEN who write Superman make him achieve those things because that it what they desire, while the MEN who write Wonder Woman don't give her anything.

And why even supergirl have pretty impressive feats in history wonder woman was nothing?

That not MEN write dont give her anything,just because wonder woman isnt that STRONG(like push planets or something),write would be never let spider man or batman to push planets like superman did it,because it's just laughable

#27 Edited by ArchiZoom (1008 posts) - - Show Bio

And why even supergirl have pretty impressive feats in history wonder woman was nothing?

That not MEN write dont give her anything,just because wonder woman isnt that STRONG(like push planets or something),write would be never let spider man or batman to push planets like superman did it,because it's just laughable

Because Supergirl is a Superman sub-product yet as you can see, she's not quite as strong as him

#28 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman said:

And why even supergirl have pretty impressive feats in history wonder woman was nothing?

That not MEN write dont give her anything,just because wonder woman isnt that STRONG(like push planets or something),write would be never let spider man or batman to push planets like superman did it,because it's just laughable

Because Supergirl is a Superman sub-product yet as you can see, she's not quite as strong as him

Well,she was much better than wonder woman,supergirl have a lot of pretty impressive feats,which that wonder woman only dream level

#29 Posted by deaditegonzo (3624 posts) - - Show Bio

Currently, in the New 52, Supergirl is probably more powerful, but Wondy beat her in a believable fight. This is a method I like a lot for these two.

#30 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: That was a shame for supergirl,but dont forgot wonder woman beat two Kryptonians,it's could be mean,PIS

#31 Posted by Whowatchesthewatchmen (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvel123: Maybe, if it's a long term no, if it's just aquaman trying to get superman temporarily out of the ay, probably

#32 Posted by 2cool4fun (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

WW, M Manhunter, Miss M Supergirl, Powergirl, Doomsday. Maxima, Zod, Faora, Lobo? Starfire? Mongul? Darkseid easy! H'ell, Mxy. And many more superman enemies if they play their cards right.

#33 Posted by 2cool4fun (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: I think Kara is even stronger then Kal, not only cause she could easily go 100% in a fight, but also cause she seems to have 1 more power then Kal, if I remember correctly she can make a burst of sun energy around her as if she exploded like a bomb.

#34 Posted by Squalleon (4143 posts) - - Show Bio

Why so many people want to see Superman beaten? 0_o
And why does it matter so much how powerful a character is to like him,I am not talking about the OP just in general, I just had a conversation with a friend of mine and he hated the Flash, once I told him he was powerful suddently he is his favorite character.

#35 Posted by Experio (14130 posts) - - Show Bio

Silver Surfer

Thor

Martian Manhunter

Flash

Captain Atom

Majestic

Just to name a few.

#36 Posted by deaditegonzo (3624 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: I think Kara is even stronger then Kal, not only cause she could easily go 100% in a fight, but also cause she seems to have 1 more power then Kal, if I remember correctly she can make a burst of sun energy around her as if she exploded like a bomb.

She does have that additional ability, but Lex implies that Superman should basically be capable of all of H'Els abilities, and the fact he isnt seems to stem from the fact that Supes holds himself back.

Also, everytime Supergil uses that ability she seems drained, so I doubt its all that practical in a fight between the two.

#37 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: I think Kara is even stronger then Kal, not only cause she could easily go 100% in a fight, but also cause she seems to have 1 more power then Kal, if I remember correctly she can make a burst of sun energy around her as if she exploded like a bomb.

Read superman-batman annual

Supergirl said,i'm as strong as you

Superman not said yes or no,he said,not quite,but i dont going here

@2cool4fun said:

@deaditegonzo: I think Kara is even stronger then Kal, not only cause she could easily go 100% in a fight, but also cause she seems to have 1 more power then Kal, if I remember correctly she can make a burst of sun energy around her as if she exploded like a bomb.

She does have that additional ability, but Lex implies that Superman should basically be capable of all of H'Els abilities, and the fact he isnt seems to stem from the fact that Supes holds himself back.

Also, everytime Supergil uses that ability she seems drained, so I doubt its all that practical in a fight between the two.

#38 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

I like supergirl,but i think new 52 superman just in the another powerlevels

Supergirl,wonder woman,MM,zod,etc,they are in the same level,like could be lift a building

But superman,since new 52 superman get stronger and stronger than before,until he can push planets

You would be never see or hard see supergirl powergirl push planets

You know why

#39 Posted by CantDance93 (341 posts) - - Show Bio

In the New 52? Ultraman, Captain Atom, Darkseid, Doomsday, Parallax Sinestero, maybe Hal Jordan, MM, Flash, H'el, Hellspont, Superdoom, Vyndktvx, Nekron, Volthoom, other embodiments of emotion, Brainiac, Cyborg Superman There's more but i'm too tired.

#40 Posted by iaconpoint (1270 posts) - - Show Bio

Diarrhea. It has no peer.

And Thor.

#41 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@cantdance93: Ultraman?i think he as powerful as superman but more evil

#42 Posted by r2datu (595 posts) - - Show Bio
#43 Posted by CantDance93 (341 posts) - - Show Bio
#44 Posted by THEOCITYLEGEND (1158 posts) - - Show Bio

Under red sun radiation pretty much anyone with decent fighting skill can beat Superman.

#45 Posted by ClarkKent12 (133 posts) - - Show Bio

Short answer; a lot of guys.

#46 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (6023 posts) - - Show Bio

GILLBERG WILL BEAT SUPERMAN.

#47 Edited by Bezza (3373 posts) - - Show Bio

here we go again, the OP asks "Who can beat Superman " and powerwoman hijacks the thread to low ball Wonder Woman, again.

..When wonder woman does well against any kryptonian or Superman, its PIS. Forgetting that the strongest characters don't always win every battle. If you don't believe me, check out the mixed martial arts career of Marius Pujanowski, the former worlds strongest man. He has been beaten by more skilful fighters than him who are probably only 1/3rd of his strength....

...Superman can lose to a whole number of people, but I know what the OP means. It sometimes seems on the Battle Forums like a large segment of his fanbase feel he can beat anyone...

#48 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@bezza: Most superman fans would be tell you superman can beat anyone,not only me

Also,ArchiZoom said wonder woman can BEAT superman,i dont agree with him,not low ball wonder woman again,he said that first

#49 Posted by MaccyD (3547 posts) - - Show Bio

@powerwoman: @archizoom: You know according to this logic, most of Lobdell's feats are PIS since they're not supported by his other titles.

#50 Posted by PowerWoman (3327 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd: I dont think so,I hope superman have more feats not just Lobdell