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#1 Edited by Frozen (11010 posts) - - Show Bio

Clearly he is the best leader, but why? What is it about Superman that makes him the best leader? And let's not try and bash other characters in the process.

For example, in Kingdom Come Wonder Woman practically begs Superman to return to the Justice League.

#2 Edited by Frozen (11010 posts) - - Show Bio

One of the best leaders I should say.

#3 Posted by Black_Arrow (2515 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: He is not. Nightwing is the best leader.

#4 Posted by nerosmoke1 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

@black_arrow: night wing is olny a good leader becouse batman trained him batman>superman never forget

#5 Posted by UrbanChill (220 posts) - - Show Bio

Who said he was the best leader ?

#6 Posted by LordoftheNorth (1340 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman and Superman are both the best leaders but different reasons if you want someone to make a plan and give you the greatest chance of victory than Batman is your boy but if your looking for some one to lead the charge into a battle inspireing everyone to continue fighting than its Superman you want

#7 Posted by AllStarSuperman (20149 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman and Superman are both the best leaders but different reasons if you want someone to make a plan and give you the greatest chance of victory than Batman is your boy but if your looking for some one to lead the charge into a battle inspireing everyone to continue fighting than its Superman you want

I concur.

#8 Posted by RDClip (1117 posts) - - Show Bio

His unshakable moral code is one. He can also see the best in people and encourage them. As smart as Batman is, he can come off as a little stand-offish and piss off his team-mates with his no nonsense attitude.

#9 Posted by LordoftheNorth (1340 posts) - - Show Bio

@rdclip: agreed and thank you for not just calling Batman a dick to many people misinterpret his blant attitude as him being intensely crual or mean spirited

#10 Edited by Lvenger (18378 posts) - - Show Bio

John Stewart's analysis of both Superman and Batman as leaders in comparison to Black Canary provides an interesting contrast between their strengths and weaknesses as leaders.

#11 Posted by shonen3 (476 posts) - - Show Bio

The only reason people like superman as leader because he's sociable (unlike batman), is strong, and has appears to be morally good.

If your charismatic people will pick you as a leader no matter how corrupt, or evil your personality is ~ Albert Eisntein.

#12 Edited by Black_Arrow (2515 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerosmoke1 said:

@black_arrow: night wing is olny a good leader becouse batman trained him batman>superman never forget

Nightwing can be sociable like Superman and tactical like Batman that is why he stomps both as leaders.

#13 Posted by Fallschirmjager (15251 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman>Batman>Superman.

#14 Posted by dorukesin (5125 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman>Batman>Superman.

this.Bruce and Arthur are debatable.

#15 Edited by Squalleon (4155 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

John Stewart's analysis of both Superman and Batman as leaders in comparison to Black Canary provides an interesting contrast between their strengths and weaknesses as leaders.

This.

The best leader in pre 52 dcu is Nightwing, I think it was mentioned more than once, I could be wrong though. Since he was a teen he was the leader of various teams(Teen Titans,Titans,Outsiders even the JLA). He has the best traits of Batman AND Superman. He inspires his comrades since he sees them as a family but he also has a great tactical mind ready to take some risks.

@fallschirmjager said:

Aquaman>Batman>Superman.

this.Bruce and Arthur are debatable.

Laughable...
Aquaman isn't even in the top 5. And before you say anything give me something that proves he is a good leader NOT A KING (which he struggles most of the time) but a leader capable for the JLA.

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#16 Edited by 2cool4fun (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: That's exactly the reason why I don't think batman should be the leader of JL

Superman should be the leader, cause he is the only hero in DCU that everyone trusts, and would follow to the end.

If not him then either Diana or Arthur, since they are both leaders already and can make as great if not better decisions than batman.

#17 Posted by Lvenger (18378 posts) - - Show Bio

@2cool4fun: Unfortunately, as is the case in the New 52, Superman isn't trusted by all the world anymore. It's more of a 50/50 thing nowadays it would seem in the New 52 universe. And whilst Batman is inflexible and brooding, he is a brilliant tactician and strategist so it makes partial sense for him to be the leader of the Justice League. It beats DC's Bat obession in the least.

#18 Posted by RustyRoy (11075 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofthenorth said:

Batman and Superman are both the best leaders but different reasons if you want someone to make a plan and give you the greatest chance of victory than Batman is your boy but if your looking for some one to lead the charge into a battle inspireing everyone to continue fighting than its Superman you want

I concur.

Me too.

#19 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (5873 posts) - - Show Bio

I think that Red Hood could eventually be. He's definitely maturing as one.

#20 Posted by LordoftheNorth (1340 posts) - - Show Bio

@black_arrow: iam sorry thats just wrong Nightwing is a good leader but he is just nowhere near the tactical thinker Batman is and he is diffently not awe inspiring like Superman when it comes to leadership Nightwing is more of a jack of all trades while a master of none

#21 Posted by Black_Arrow (2515 posts) - - Show Bio

@black_arrow: iam sorry thats just wrong Nightwing is a good leader but he is just nowhere near the tactical thinker Batman is and he is diffently not awe inspiring like Superman when it comes to leadership Nightwing is more of a jack of all trades while a master of none

Bruce believes that he is the right one to lead the League

Everyone trusts him

Batman recognizes him as better than him.

#22 Posted by LordoftheNorth (1340 posts) - - Show Bio

@black_arrow: Dont care about that utter nonsense first so what if everyone likes him that is meaningless just becuase people like you dosnt mean they are willing to follow you into battle or see you as a leader and second Batman dosnt talk like that thats just the writers making batman say nonsense

#23 Edited by Black_Arrow (2515 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofthenorth said:

@black_arrow: Dont care about that utter nonsense first so what if everyone likes him that is meaningless just becuase people like you dosnt mean they are willing to follow you into battle or see you as a leader and second Batman dosnt talk like that thats just the writers making batman say nonsense

In the second scan I posted you, he convinced every superhero team to do an attack on Trigon so yeah they will follow him into battle.

I can post more scans if you want but I dont think I am going to convince you.

The kind of fan that you are is what makes people hate Batman.

#24 Edited by LordoftheNorth (1340 posts) - - Show Bio

@black_arrow: An your the kind of fan that thinks Dick Greyson is the best at freakin every thing and someho isnt the biggest mary sue of all time and besides if you actualy read my post i said that dick is a good leader he just isnt as good as batamn when it cames to tactics and he isnt as inspiring as Superman which iam sorry no matter what you say they just are. Their is a reason they are the such icons

#25 Edited by Experio (14252 posts) - - Show Bio

Inspiration is what Supes got.

But Bats is still a better leader.

#26 Posted by Black_Arrow (2515 posts) - - Show Bio

@black_arrow: An your the kind of fan that thinks Dick Greyson is the best at freakin every thing and someho isnt the biggest mary sue of all time

Not really Batman is my favorite character but I recognize his flaws. I know that Batman stomps Nightwing at a fight, he is more intelligent than Grayson(overall) and He is better with Prep than Nightwing.

But Nightwing is a innate leader and a far better acrobat.

#27 Posted by LordoftheNorth (1340 posts) - - Show Bio

@black_arrow: i agree but my point this whole time has never been that Dicks a bad leader just that his leadership is more of a middle ground between Batman and Superman but much like how Batman and Superman both have advantages and disadvantages to their leadership styles Dicks also has advantages and disadvantages. Since he is more trusting and idealistic he cant remove his emotions completely from the fight which means he will never quite be the chess master Batman is but since he has been trained under Batman he will also never quite be the becon of courge and inspiration that Superman but on the inverse his leadership style also means that people are more trusting of him and they are more likely to go along with his plans

#28 Edited by Black_Arrow (2515 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofthenorth said:

@black_arrow: i agree but my point this whole time has never been that Dicks a bad leader just that his leadership is more of a middle ground between Batman and Superman but much like how Batman and Superman both have advantages and disadvantages to their leadership styles Dicks also has advantages and disadvantages. Since he is more trusting and idealistic he cant remove his emotions completely from the fight which means he will never quite be the chess master Batman is but since he has been trained under Batman he will also never quite be the becon of courge and inspiration that Superman but on the inverse his leadership style also means that people are more trusting of him and they are more likely to go along with his plans

I agree with this but I think that sometimes going in the middle is the best.

#29 Edited by LordoftheNorth (1340 posts) - - Show Bio
#30 Posted by ColaNicole (574 posts) - - Show Bio

Although I don't particularly see Superman as the Leader of the League, I see him as the forefront member. Almost like the most important, he's a good role model for it.

#31 Posted by Saren (25312 posts) - - Show Bio

If not him then either Diana or Arthur, since they are both leaders already and can make as great if not better decisions than batman.

There's a difference between being a leader and being a strategist, and no, neither Diana nor Arthur are strategists on par with Batman. If you placed either one of them in some of the situations Batman's had to think his way out of, they'd just curl up and quietly die.

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#32 Edited by cloudzackvincent (1026 posts) - - Show Bio

The best strategist doesn't always make the best leader, however neither does a boy scout.

#33 Posted by 2cool4fun (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

@2cool4fun said:

If not him then either Diana or Arthur, since they are both leaders already and can make as great if not better decisions than batman.

There's a difference between being a leader and being a strategist, and no, neither Diana nor Arthur are strategists on par with Batman. If you placed either one of them in some of the situations Batman's had to think his way out of, they'd just curl up and quietly die.

Just because he's a strategist does not mean he is a good leader. Being a strategist is literally his only +, he lacks everything else when it comes to being a good leader.

#34 Posted by Saren (25312 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

@2cool4fun said:

If not him then either Diana or Arthur, since they are both leaders already and can make as great if not better decisions than batman.

There's a difference between being a leader and being a strategist, and no, neither Diana nor Arthur are strategists on par with Batman. If you placed either one of them in some of the situations Batman's had to think his way out of, they'd just curl up and quietly die.

Just because he's a strategist does not mean he is a good leader. Being a strategist is literally his only +, he lacks everything else when it comes to being a good leader.

You're aware this has nothing to do with what I said?

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#35 Edited by Kwodam (94 posts) - - Show Bio

i dont really think superman and batman are really good leaders.

Superman is a one man army that wants to do everthing him self.

Batman is anti sosiaaal and also thinks hes a one man army.

I think wonder woman aquaman and john steward woot be way greater leaders for the justice league

Aquaman is the king of Atlantis. Hes everday live is leading the ploeple of Atlantis

Wonder woman same story

John Steward has bin in the miltrary he knows command stucher what ploeple limits are and how to use them.

#36 Posted by 2cool4fun (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

@2cool4fun said:

@saren said:

@2cool4fun said:

If not him then either Diana or Arthur, since they are both leaders already and can make as great if not better decisions than batman.

There's a difference between being a leader and being a strategist, and no, neither Diana nor Arthur are strategists on par with Batman. If you placed either one of them in some of the situations Batman's had to think his way out of, they'd just curl up and quietly die.

Just because he's a strategist does not mean he is a good leader. Being a strategist is literally his only +, he lacks everything else when it comes to being a good leader.

You're aware this has nothing to do with what I said?

Yeah sorry misread the first time :/

But they are still better leaders.

#37 Posted by 2cool4fun (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

@kwodam: I think john Stewart would be a great Green Lantern Corps leader, 1000 times better then Hal Jordan.

#39 Edited by Saren (25312 posts) - - Show Bio

@2cool4fun said:

@saren said:

@2cool4fun said:

@saren said:

@2cool4fun said:

If not him then either Diana or Arthur, since they are both leaders already and can make as great if not better decisions than batman.

There's a difference between being a leader and being a strategist, and no, neither Diana nor Arthur are strategists on par with Batman. If you placed either one of them in some of the situations Batman's had to think his way out of, they'd just curl up and quietly die.

Just because he's a strategist does not mean he is a good leader. Being a strategist is literally his only +, he lacks everything else when it comes to being a good leader.

You're aware this has nothing to do with what I said?

Yeah sorry misread the first time :/

But they are still better leaders.

If your definition of leader is someone who can make you feel warm and fuzzy inside, maybe. The teams Batman leads typically don't see as many internal conflicts or civil wars as the teams Wonder Woman and Aquaman have led.

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#40 Edited by The Stegman (23133 posts) - - Show Bio

if I had to choose /my/ favorite leader...it's Dick Grayson

He has a tactical mind close to Batman, unlike Batman, he has social skills however. He has proven to work well solo in his Nightwing career AND has proven to be a very good leader to the Teen Titans, The Outsiders and The Justice League. Not to mention he's a valued member of the Bat Family. You can go to him for advice, for problems, to bounce ideas around and for suggestions.

#41 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11127 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

John Stewart's analysis of both Superman and Batman as leaders in comparison to Black Canary provides an interesting contrast between their strengths and weaknesses as leaders.

Yeah, this is pretty perfect.

#42 Posted by Lvenger (18378 posts) - - Show Bio

@arturocalakayvee: I'm missing the scan where John then says that Dinah is the most tactical combination of Superman's charisma with Batman's strategic mindset but this scan suits the purposes of this thread easily enough.

#43 Edited by ArturoCalaKayVee (11127 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@arturocalakayvee: I'm missing the scan where John then says that Dinah is the most tactical combination of Superman's charisma with Batman's strategic mindset but this scan suits the purposes of this thread easily enough.

Yeah, definitely. Do you know what issue that is? I might be able to help you out.

#44 Edited by Lvenger (18378 posts) - - Show Bio
#45 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11127 posts) - - Show Bio
#46 Posted by Lvenger (18378 posts) - - Show Bio

@arturocalakayvee: Kudos for having the scan on hand. That run on JLA made me like Black Canary a lot even if she did bite back on the Big 3.

#47 Posted by 2cool4fun (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren: My definition of a leader is someone like aquaman, someone with a personality of a true king. Not someone half the team does not even trust. And his only good trait is he can make great plans.

I mean yeah cool, he is good at planing, but aquaman is far better at just leading them during a fight. That's why you never see Iron Man leading avengers while Captain America just stands behind.

#48 Edited by ArturoCalaKayVee (11127 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@arturocalakayvee: Kudos for having the scan on hand. That run on JLA made me like Black Canary a lot even if she did bite back on the Big 3.

The series definitely made Black Canary a much bigger part of the DCU and it also made me more of a fan of hers. However, her being leader and chairwoman of the JLA never sat right with me. I always feel it should be one of the trinity (but I also never liked the retcon that made Canary a founding member and not Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman)

#49 Posted by Jayc1324 (9581 posts) - - Show Bio

He has killed someone so I wouldn't say its because of his moral code. I would say its because of his strength and the fact that people have trust in him that he will always do the right thing.

#50 Edited by ViperKing (422 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing's the best leader but Superman is one of the top leaders though.