@saintwildcard: I think it's big enough, they just need to make us care about them. Lois, Jimmy, Perry, Steele, Lana and Hiro are a pretty big supporting cast.
@saintwildcard: I think it's big enough, they just need to make us care about them. Lois, Jimmy, Perry, Steele, Lana and Hiro are a pretty big supporting cast.
Compared to the Batman family it isn't. I'm not saying to have 10+ characters, but enough to make an other group composed of Superman family characters. 6 is a nice number
I'm betting that the speculation about Supergirl returning after the TV show are correct. DC is just as good if not better than Marvel when it comes to marketing their comics with TV/Movie stuff
@saintwildcard: Ah, okay, but that's because Batman needs sidekicks. Superman is Superman; he's never had a need for sidekicks.
While some started out as sidekicks, 6/7 are not his sidekicks. They are companions that are like him fighting crime. I want Superman to have that too but with a Morrison twist. Strange people with abilities that are tied to his Kryptonian roots. Teen DOom is a nice start. I want Superman to have Aquaman's equivalent of The Others, a side team.
@squalleon: he can but it ends up as a very bad reality TV show on MTV
Well, my point is that everything takes time. Building takes time. Batman had a plethora of characters that didn't stick or characters that had years of character evolution to reach the point they are now.
They are mostly ignored, and their titles get cancelled the one after the other. But bad writing has also something to do with it.
Also the LoS can't be part of a normal storyline. Their "thing" is that they are from the future. You can't make them regular cast, like how Robin or Nightwing is to Batman.
Batman had two decades of world-building to go up to that number. Superman can't rush to a family.
It's not that hard to world build when one of the gimmicks is robins coming and going. I understand that we can't rush things, but they could at least take steps to creating family members from time to time. Teen Doom seems to be a by product of Doomed and it kinda makes sense. So I hope he starts getting used in the Superman world. And if he works, maybe 5 years from now we get an other.
Batman had two decades of world-building to go up to that number. Superman can't rush to a family.
It's not that hard to world build when one of the gimmicks is robins coming and going. I understand that we can't rush things, but they could at least take steps to creating family members from time to time. Teen Doom seems to be a by product of Doomed and it kinda makes sense. So I hope he starts getting used in the Superman world. And if he works, maybe 5 years from now we get an other.
Agreed. Although I don't know how would he fit with the family at this point.
Personally I would firstly go for cohesion. Bring back Conner and Kara. Keep bringing Hiro and Steel. Start making them interact,get them together often. Create a sense of a universe.
Plus it would be easier since their relationships are known from previous continuities.
Batman had two decades of world-building to go up to that number. Superman can't rush to a family.
It's not that hard to world build when one of the gimmicks is robins coming and going. I understand that we can't rush things, but they could at least take steps to creating family members from time to time. Teen Doom seems to be a by product of Doomed and it kinda makes sense. So I hope he starts getting used in the Superman world. And if he works, maybe 5 years from now we get an other.
Agreed. Although I don't know how would he fit with the family at this point.
I feel like with Superman, you need weird family members. YOu can't have them all be Kryptonians. Even Superboy has something that makes him different by being a clone with limited powers. Steel is good because he's just a dude in a (what I assume is Kryptonian tech) suit. Teen Doom offers his own weirdness by being created by Superman's most dangerous enemy. I hope to see the two interact and Superman gives him advise from time to time.
Personally I would firstly go for cohesion. Bring back Conner and Kara. Keep bringing Hiro and Steel. Start making them interact,get them together often. Create a sense of a universe.
Plus it would be easier since their relationships are known from previous continuities.
I still don't count Hiro even though I like him. But I do agree with you for the most part about making the Superman family strong.
I feel like with Superman, you need weird family members. YOu can't have them all be Kryptonians. Even Superboy has something that makes him different by being a clone with limited powers. Steel is good because he's just a dude in a (what I assume is Kryptonian tech) suit. Teen Doom offers his own weirdness by being created by Superman's most dangerous enemy. I hope to see the two interact and Superman gives him advise from time to time.
Οf course not. But all the family members must have some similarity between them. Steel is "a man of steel" for example. Doom looks a lot less in the line with Superman. He will need a major redesign to fit aesthetically at least. But other than that, he could be a nice addition.
I still don't count Hiro even though I like him. But I do agree with you for the most part about making the Superman family strong.
I think Hiro will stay for many reasons. Firstly because Pak introduces Asian characters to his works and sticks with them(he is half-Korean himself, so I guess he relates). Secondly there is not enough presentation of Asian characters so that's a win for DC in the diversity department. And thirdly because Hiro is a very similar in character with Amadeus Cho from Pak's Hulk and Herc run, so Pak maybe feels familiar with him.
Οf course not. But all the family members must have some similarity between them. Steel is "a man of steel" for example. Doom looks a lot less in the line with Superman. He will need a major redesign to fit aesthetically at least. But other than that, he could be a nice addition.
I agree he needs a new design, he looks like a hairless Werewolf. He'd look batter as a scrawnier Doomsday. I honestly think the possibilities with this character are quite intriguing. Superman finding out and fearing for the kids life and other, wants to cure him, but the kid wants to prove himself but thinks that Superman may be right and that he is to dangerous. He might even prove useful when fighting Doomsday. ... alas it's sad knowing that Lodbell might not pull it off. THe man stuck gold but he lacks the skills to know what to do with it. Hopefully even if the book gets scrapped, the character isn't forgotten.
I think Hiro will stay for many reasons. Firstly because Pak introduces Asian characters to his works and sticks with them(he is half-Korean himself, so I guess he relates). Secondly there is not enough presentation of Asian characters so that's a win for DC in the diversity department. And thirdly because Hiro is a very similar in character with Amadeus Cho from Pak's Hulk and Herc run, so Pak maybe feels familiar with him.
When I mean family, I mean characters who can fight crime and do so on their own. Hiro is more of a supporting character.
I agree he needs a new design, he looks like a hairless Werewolf. He'd look batter as a scrawnier Doomsday. I honestly think the possibilities with this character are quite intriguing. Superman finding out and fearing for the kids life and other, wants to cure him, but the kid wants to prove himself but thinks that Superman may be right and that he is to dangerous. He might even prove useful when fighting Doomsday. ... alas it's sad knowing that Lodbell might not pull it off. THe man stuck gold but he lacks the skills to know what to do with it. Hopefully even if the book gets scrapped, the character isn't forgotten.
We will see. The design is the only thing easy to change. But for a character to stick it needs work.
When I mean family, I mean characters who can fight crime and do so on their own. Hiro is more of a supporting character.
Oracle is family for Batman. But she can't fight crime :P
Doomed is already looking a little hard to believe.
So the Doomsday spores that killed or destroyed everything in its path. Has left some humans (incredible how humans always survive stuff like that naturally :-P) infected and with powers.
They didn't even bothered giving an explanation similar to when Luthor had his Amazo virus released. No. Natural immunity to something humans should have no immunity. Not only that, the main character best friend seems to also be infected.
Storywise I can't say I'm impressed or looking forward to it.
It actually is. And it is weird that it is so different from Doomsday. But then again, anything Doomsday and anything derivative of Doomsday tend to be mediocre at best :P
@squalleon: Why they sabotaged the character with that design I don't know. New characters have a hard time as it is without the handicap of a horrible design. It's something that can make or break a character.
While the Paktion Comics preview wasn't a head turner, it was enjoyable. I'm already liking this new direction. While I can't stand JImmy and his design in the Bizarro mini is ugly, the seris seems solid. It has it's charm but it's a definite drop after the masterpiece that Pak gave us in AC40.
I agree he needs a new design, he looks like a hairless Werewolf. He'd look batter as a scrawnier Doomsday. I honestly think the possibilities with this character are quite intriguing. Superman finding out and fearing for the kids life and other, wants to cure him, but the kid wants to prove himself but thinks that Superman may be right and that he is to dangerous. He might even prove useful when fighting Doomsday. ... alas it's sad knowing that Lodbell might not pull it off. THe man stuck gold but he lacks the skills to know what to do with it. Hopefully even if the book gets scrapped, the character isn't forgotten.
We will see. The design is the only thing easy to change. But for a character to stick it needs work.
When I mean family, I mean characters who can fight crime and do so on their own. Hiro is more of a supporting character.
Oracle is family for Batman. But she can't fight crime :P
I'm under the impression that with time Doomed will change form. This form looks so...weak. Even to be just a piece of Doomsday, but it's still powerful. Seems to be only the first stage of a mutation. Maybe he needs more spores or he'll learn how to reshape his form by will alone? Maybe he'll just naturally grow into something different?
The guy is a beast at Superman. Hope he stays for a long time.
Same here. He's honestly my favorite part of AC (Pak isn't too bad though, just don't really like his overuse of "unsure of himself/down on his luck" Superman)
The guy is a beast at Superman. Hope he stays for a long time.
Same here. He's honestly my favorite part of AC (Pak isn't too bad though, just don't really like his overuse of "unsure of himself/down on his luck" Superman)
Wow, completely agree. Actually that is my main gripe with Pak too :P
The guy is a beast at Superman. Hope he stays for a long time.
Same here. He's honestly my favorite part of AC (Pak isn't too bad though, just don't really like his overuse of "unsure of himself/down on his luck" Superman)
Wow, completely agree. Actually that is my main gripe with Pak too :P
@saintwildcard: Ah, okay, but that's because Batman needs sidekicks. Superman is Superman; he's never had a need for sidekicks.
While some started out as sidekicks, 6/7 are not his sidekicks. They are companions that are like him fighting crime. I want Superman to have that too but with a Morrison twist. Strange people with abilities that are tied to his Kryptonian roots. Teen DOom is a nice start. I want Superman to have Aquaman's equivalent of The Others, a side team.
What about the Men of Steel?
I've always had the opinion that all big Justice League members should have a personalized side-team. Like in the New 52 Aquaman has The Others, Green Arrow has The Outsiders, Green Lantern has the Corps (or maybe even the New Guardians) and Batman has the BatFam\Batman Inc.. I think Superman should have the Men of Steel and Wonder Woman should have some team formed of legendary heroes.
I've always had the opinion that all big Justice League members should have a personalized side-team. Like in the New 52 Aquaman has The Others, Green Arrow has The Outsiders, Green Lantern has the Corps (or maybe even the New Guardians) and Batman has the BatFam\Batman Inc.. I think Superman should have the Men of Steel and Wonder Woman should have some team formed of legendary heroes.
One of them already is, Metallo is iffy but Pak seems to like the character and has made him a good guy (plus the only smart one in Bizarro World), and Atomic Skull is a bad guy. Not sure about Ghost Warrior. As of now Superman only has Supergirl, Superboy (don't know his deal yet since he just came back) and Steel. I'm fine with these guys becoming part of his team, but the haven't been utilized in that way yet. Teen Doom on the other hand is being created for the Superman family IMO.
One could argue that WW has the Amazons but I wouldn't mind if she had a more diverse team.
I've always had the opinion that all big Justice League members should have a personalized side-team. Like in the New 52 Aquaman has The Others, Green Arrow has The Outsiders, Green Lantern has the Corps (or maybe even the New Guardians) and Batman has the BatFam\Batman Inc.. I think Superman should have the Men of Steel and Wonder Woman should have some team formed of legendary heroes.
One of them already is, Metallo is iffy but Pak seems to like the character and has made him a good guy (plus the only smart one in Bizarro World), and Atomic Skull is a bad guy. Not sure about Ghost Warrior. As of now Superman only has Supergirl, Superboy (don't know his deal yet since he just came back) and Steel. I'm fine with these guys becoming part of his team, but the haven't been utilized in that way yet. Teen Doom on the other hand is being created for the Superman family IMO.
One could argue that WW has the Amazons but I wouldn't mind if she had a more diverse team.
Man, he is really weak! He is almost peak human. He looks more like Ult.Captain America in power.
Anyway, B/S still looks awful. Mediocre art and it seems Superman something gets when he meets Batmen for the first time and wants to clobber them. So much for character evolution. 6 years later and he still goes for a fight first.
Man, he is really weak! He is almost peak human. He looks more like Ult.Captain America in power.
Anyway, B/S still looks awful. Mediocre art and it seems Superman something gets when he meets Batmen for the first time and wants to clobber them. So much for character evolution. 6 years later and he still goes for a fight first.
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