@saren said:
@frozen said:
@saren:
I'm sorry, but are you actually claiming Billy working for President Luthor because every hero was ordered to is even remotely comparable to a brain-damaged Billy who existed only to be Luthor's walking WMD?
No. I'm not. I'm claiming that if Luthor remained president and under the right circumstances Mainstream Captain Marvel could easily become a drone, if Luthor kept Marvel working for him he could brainwash him over time, in Kingdom Come's storyline it had been 10 years. The same happened to Superman in DKR (which had also been a 10 year period).. It is feasible that the same could happen to Captain Marvel. In Kingdom Come, the circumstances were different but Luthor was in position to manipulate Billy.
Kingdom Come may be a compelling story on its own depending on whom you ask, but it's not a compelling Captain Marvel story for the simple reason that the character in it isn't Captain Marvel and has nothing to do with who Captain Marvel is.
In my opinion I disagree. He does become Marvel again, but I like what they actually did with the character, it showed how vulnreble as a character he was. The same with Superman in DKR.
You probably should have, because this claim is worse. Why bother with hypotheticals that are contingent on even more hypotheticals as a justification?
Superman in DKR is again, not the same thing. Superman worked for Luthor under duress, but he was still Superman in thought and action. In Kingdom Come, Billy was brain-dead. He was a walking corpse dressed up as Captain Marvel. You don't seem to understand that they are not comparable situations. Luthor was in a position to manipulate Billy because, again, Billy wasbrain-dead. Which is, again, not comparable to Luthor manipulating Superman by threatening his loved ones.
I disagree, in my opinion it is possible.
You keep saying ''this was not Captain Marvel'' but that was kind of the point. Billy was only a child 10 years prior to Kingdom Come and the world was becoming ravaged by super-humans, so he turned to Luthor and lost touch with reality. Marvel was a parallel with Superman, who also lost touch with reality. In my opinion, KC was a great Captain Marvel story because it actually showed a version of Captain Marvel that had a compelling story.
Billy was not always brainwashed. The audio-dramaitzation emphasized that prior to Kingdom Come, Billy turned to Luthor for help and Luthor 'took him under his wing', the change to being brain dead was a progressive one, eventually becoming further disillusioned with reality. It was emphasized in the audio-dramatization.
I concede to the DSKA point, I had not read that in a long time, or DKR really.
Many writers have turned the mainstream Captain Marvel into a jobber, atleast Waid gave him a significant role in the story. I'm fine with you believing that Billy was a braindead zombie, but that is your opinion and not one that I share.
I have a question for you in PM too.
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