#1 Posted by Whowatchesthewatchmen (81 posts) - - Show Bio

What do you think

#2 Posted by Squalleon (4195 posts) - - Show Bio

He is about the same. His first arc on Action Comics ended fantastically and his Secret Origins story was very good. His Batman/Superman sucks though.

What exactly made you to create this thread?

#3 Posted by UltimateSMfan (1377 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably editor influence, evidently tends to weaken writing( in some cases), although as @squalleon: said his action run has been consistent, BM/SM hasn't.

#4 Posted by Squalleon (4195 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably editor influence, evidently tends to weaken writing( in some cases), although as @squalleon: said his action run has been consistent, BM/SM hasn't.

The first story arc ended very strong and the Secret Origins story was very interesting and emotional too. I wonder what happens to Pak when he touches BM/SM, all the heart he puts to his stories seems to run out and it is replaced with douchebagery...

#5 Posted by SanoHibiki (1427 posts) - - Show Bio

There is some mess with solicits and release order, but storytelling-wise Pak writes consistently good IMO.

#6 Edited by Saint_Wildcard (9325 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer him ten fold over Snyder though :D

That being said I think his strong suit is young Clark. His Zero Year, BM/SM and Secret Origins had moments that made me smile and tear up.

@squalleon said:

His Batman/Superman sucks though.

WHat about the first arc? Did you hate that one too?

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#7 Posted by Squalleon (4195 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer him ten fold over Snyder though :D

That being said I think his strong suit is young Clark. His Zero Year, BM/SM and Secret Origins had moments that made me smile and tear up.

@squalleon said:

His Batman/Superman sucks though.

WHat about the first arc? Did you hate that one too?

The first arc was a good start and the annual was enjoyable too.

The bickering and competition between these two heroes was fun because they were both young, inexperienced and arrogant but when that only gets more intense and more childish five years later, it kills it for me. It's a constant competition about who will one up each other. I mean look at the second arc for example. Superman "trolling" Batman, seriously?
The art by Jae Lee isn't any better too, it started getting on my nerves. I mean the guy has genuine talent and that poor excuse of an art he uses in BM/SM makes me wanna kill him. Compare his Fantastic Four to his BM/SM and then tell me he hasn't become lazy. Dark silouetes even in direct sunlight, lazy face designs, no backgrounds, ugh...

Anyway I can take this title only as mindless pop corn entertainment but with so many better titles out there for both characters I don't see the reason to settle on this one.

#8 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17376 posts) - - Show Bio

He is about the same. His first arc on Action Comics ended fantastically and his Secret Origins story was very good. His Batman/Superman sucks though.

What exactly made you to create this thread?

It sucks because he doesn't gave full control of the current arc, which sucks. I can't wait for the crossover to be over.

#9 Posted by Fallschirmjager (15350 posts) - - Show Bio

@squalleon said:

He is about the same. His first arc on Action Comics ended fantastically and his Secret Origins story was very good. His Batman/Superman sucks though.

What exactly made you to create this thread?

It sucks because he doesn't gave full control of the current arc, which sucks. I can't wait for the crossover to be over.

Dude...agreed. I don't given a rats ass about Huntress or Powergirl.

Jae Lee's art though...I want him to do an Aquaman book lol

#10 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17376 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull said:

@squalleon said:

He is about the same. His first arc on Action Comics ended fantastically and his Secret Origins story was very good. His Batman/Superman sucks though.

What exactly made you to create this thread?

It sucks because he doesn't gave full control of the current arc, which sucks. I can't wait for the crossover to be over.

Dude...agreed. I don't given a rats ass about Huntress or Powergirl.

Jae Lee's art though...I want him to do an Aquaman book lol

yeah, it's a shame because Pak does a fairly good job of writing the characters well and providing an entertaining story.

#11 Posted by Saint_Wildcard (9325 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager said:

@theacidskull said:

@squalleon said:

He is about the same. His first arc on Action Comics ended fantastically and his Secret Origins story was very good. His Batman/Superman sucks though.

What exactly made you to create this thread?

It sucks because he doesn't gave full control of the current arc, which sucks. I can't wait for the crossover to be over.

Dude...agreed. I don't given a rats ass about Huntress or Powergirl.

Jae Lee's art though...I want him to do an Aquaman book lol

yeah, it's a shame because Pak does a fairly good job of writing the characters well and providing an entertaining story.

It's all lead up to Earth 2 isn't it? I assume both Earth 2 and Worlds Finest are gonna become the Earth 2 weekly.

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#12 Posted by Squalleon (4195 posts) - - Show Bio

@squalleon said:

He is about the same. His first arc on Action Comics ended fantastically and his Secret Origins story was very good. His Batman/Superman sucks though.

What exactly made you to create this thread?

It sucks because he doesn't gave full control of the current arc, which sucks. I can't wait for the crossover to be over.

To be honest, I think the second arc is very mediocre too. His Annual and first arc was the only things I liked from Pak's BM/SM.

#13 Posted by Superguy1591 (2798 posts) - - Show Bio

His AC has been fun, the event got in his way for the last issue, but it was still good. I like him, his BM/SM, on the other hand, lost me.

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#14 Posted by Jphu8414 (3277 posts) - - Show Bio

About the same if not better.H is Action Comics is my favorite title right now, I also think his Batman/Superman has still been pretty good, it got sidetracked by the First Contact crossover but now that it's over I'm sure it'll pick up again.

#15 Edited by UltimateSMfan (1377 posts) - - Show Bio

@squalleon said:

@thehipkid said:

I prefer him ten fold over Snyder though :D

That being said I think his strong suit is young Clark. His Zero Year, BM/SM and Secret Origins had moments that made me smile and tear up.

@squalleon said:

His Batman/Superman sucks though.

WHat about the first arc? Did you hate that one too?

The first arc was a good start and the annual was enjoyable too.

The bickering and competition between these two heroes was fun because they were both young, inexperienced and arrogant but when that only gets more intense and more childish five years later, it kills it for me. It's a constant competition about who will one up each other. I mean look at the second arc for example. Superman "trolling" Batman, seriously?

Oh My God! This is what's starting to really bug me....I honestly feel the underlying theme of this book is Batman VS Superman and i Hate that!! I mean what happened to these two making the sarcastic jokes and playing off each other like they did in the previous series? And actually working together to stop a threat without it ending with them pitted against each other.

Fine bats vs supes is a hot topic but now their whole dynamic revolves around that and everyone knows how much it's been overused in the past couple of years. I really don't like it,about 30% of the time cuz there's a huge amount of PIS for obvious reasons and i dont like seeing supes jobbing and the rest of the time i just really miss the Friendship the old relationship between these two characters. IMO who would do what better and whos smarter than whom shouldn't be the basis of their relationship, there's mutual respect there...Well at least there was,smh.

I really want to ask Pak on tumblr what he feels about this whole Supes vs Bats craze,its literally spilling into every facet of continuity. Am i the only one absolutely sick of it??

#16 Posted by zeejaybay (70 posts) - - Show Bio

@squalleon said:

@thehipkid said:

I prefer him ten fold over Snyder though :D

That being said I think his strong suit is young Clark. His Zero Year, BM/SM and Secret Origins had moments that made me smile and tear up.

@squalleon said:

His Batman/Superman sucks though.

WHat about the first arc? Did you hate that one too?

The first arc was a good start and the annual was enjoyable too.

The bickering and competition between these two heroes was fun because they were both young, inexperienced and arrogant but when that only gets more intense and more childish five years later, it kills it for me. It's a constant competition about who will one up each other. I mean look at the second arc for example. Superman "trolling" Batman, seriously?

Oh My God! This is what's starting to really bug me....I honestly feel the underlying theme of this book is Batman VS Superman and i Hate that!! I mean what happened to these two making the sarcastic jokes and playing off each other like they did in the previous series? And actually working together to stop a threat without it ending with them pitted against each other.

Fine bats vs supes is a hot topic but now their whole dynamic revolves around that and everyone knows how much it's been overused in the past couple of years. I really don't like it,about 30% of the time cuz there's a huge amount of PIS for obvious reasons and i dont like seeing supes jobbing and the rest of the time i just really miss the Friendship the old relationship between these two characters. IMO who would do what better and whos smarter than whom shouldn't be the basis of their relationship, there's mutual respect there...Well at least there was,smh.

I really want to ask Pak on tumblr what he feels about this whole Supes vs Bats craze,its literally spilling into every facet of continuity. Am i the only one absolutely sick of it??

No, I'm completely sick of it too. It hasn't existed for a long time but I miss them genuinely being...well friends. You should ask Pak this though, I'd be interested in what he said.

#17 Posted by Whowatchesthewatchmen (81 posts) - - Show Bio

@squalleon: I was beginning to see some disagreement on his talent and works in the vine