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It's pretty much in a terrible state atm.

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Could be worse. It isn't nearly as bad as the X-Men situation.

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#3  Edited By redwingx

@spidey_jackson said:

Could be worse. It isn't nearly as bad as the Inhuman situation.

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Giggity.

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Get better writers and search for new and freash talent.

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Making it a family would be a good first step.

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#7  Edited By DianaXKal

Superman, Superboy (Kon-El), and Supergirl should be much closer, and there needs to be more Krypto!

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Killing off Superman would be a great improvement. For as long as Superman exists everyone's doomed to dwell in his shadow. He's comparable to a giant tree that depletes the soil of water and nutrients. All vegetable life around the tree can only wither and die.

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Killing off Superman would be a great improvement. For as long as Superman exists everyone's doomed to dwell in his shadow. He's comparable to a giant tree that depletes the soil of water and nutrients. All vegetable life around the tree can only wither and die.

Lets just kill anyone stronger than Wonder Woman while were at it. Flash and MM come to mind

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@saint_wildcard: Shazam, Black Adam, Captain Atom, Apollo and all the male characters that are vastly stronger, faster, smarter than the mediocre !#$%& they named the greatest woman in the world.

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@archizoom: But Batman is DC's biggest character; everyone is in his shadow.

And Cassie and Donna are in Diana's shadow, do we kill her off too?

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@saint_wildcard: Shazam, Black Adam, Captain Atom, Apollo and all the male characters that are vastly stronger, faster, smarter than the mediocre !#$%& they named the greatest woman in the world.

Some of these are more powerful than the greatest man in the world, I don't see anyone complaing >_> You just have a rediculous notion, at least thats the way I see it, that for being the best of the best, you also have to be the biggest gun around. With your logic, the greatest man in the real world would be a boxer or marathon runner or a rocket scientist.

Superman and Wonder Woman have a ability these guys don't, they are born leaders and visionares. People follow them, love them and respect them, they want to be them. Thats why they are the greatest. I think the idea that the greatest man or woman in the world has to be the biggest gun around is rediculous and history backs me up on that.

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#13  Edited By Superguy1591

Actually make them matter to Superman because I dont care about any of them. I wish they were Superman's kids so that they can actually matter, but whatcha gonna do?

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#14  Edited By ArchiZoom

@squalleon said:

@archizoom said:

@saint_wildcard: Shazam, Black Adam, Captain Atom, Apollo and all the male characters that are vastly stronger, faster, smarter than the mediocre !#$%& they named the greatest woman in the world.

Some of these are more powerful than the greatest man in the world, I don't see anyone complaing >_> You just have a rediculous notion, at least thats the way I see it, that for being the best of the best, you also have to be the biggest gun around. With your logic, the greatest man in the real world would be a boxer or marathon runner or a rocket scientist.

Superman and Wonder Woman have a ability these guys don't, they are born leaders and visionares. People follow them, love them and respect them, they want to be them. Thats why they are the greatest. I think the idea that the greatest man or woman in the world has to be the biggest gun around is rediculous and history backs me up on that.

I could almost buy into that bs if Wonder Woman had good results. You're wrong about me of course, I couldn't care less that Superman's got more raw strength and speed as long as Wonder Woman had good results, as long as she's something I can be inspired by, that the world needs Wonder Woman. The gaping chasm between them though is almost unfathomable and Wonder Woman's results corroborate my opinion because since the new 52 launched, Wonder Woman's done nothing but lose and fail and swim on a stagnant pond of endless humiliation.

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@archizoom: Which seems to always be in your head and that one other user Topel. Seriously I have only been on this site for 2 weeks and every time i see you post, you prove what a feminist you really are. It's getting pretty sickening that I even made an account today just to express how depressing your posts have been through so many threads...

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#16  Edited By kasino

just need to be featured more

I rather powergirl then supergirl, but love them both

superboy, steel, eradicator, livewire and powergirl. all lead by supes. the best thing they could do is rebuild a population on a smaller Earth for them to protect. Like their new krypton similar to thor main stories taking place in asgard with his cast. too powerful together to protect just metropolis but can't deal with the entire world .

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@squalleon: Archi is like an angry PowerWoman but with better grammar.

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Which seems to always be in your head and that one other user Topel. Seriously I have only been on this site for 2 weeks and every time i see you post, you prove what a feminist you really are. It's getting pretty sickening that I even made an account today just to express how depressing your posts have been through so many threads...

Huh, you've seen his work.

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It's like superman beat up archizoom and Batman stole Superguy's lunch money.

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#19  Edited By redwingx

@mightus said:

@archizoom: Which seems to always be in your head and that one other user Topel. Seriously I have only been on this site for 2 weeks and every time i see you post, you prove what a feminist you really are. It's getting pretty sickening that I even made an account today just to express how depressing your posts have been through so many threads...

Don't confuse a fangirl with feminist please.

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@redwingx said:

Don't confuse a fangirl with feminist please.

I didn't wanna be so blunt but...

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@dianaxkal: That's genius, we need to start up a petition for a Krypto title!

It's kinda bad when so far Wonder Woman has been the biggest supporting character of the Superman family... They need to promote Steel, Krypto and co more and make Supergirl and Superboy closer to the main family.

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@redwingx: Look up other WW or SM topics. Archi has had nothing but snark remarks to everything relating to superman. So much that once wonder woman started having a relationship with him all Archi does is tie ever little scene as some sort of man worshipping tribute and how much WW has been seen as inferior by her and Topel's standards. Every post I've ssen has been somehow twisted into some perversion that wonder woman is somehow dominated when no one else has seen any of that currently in any of the stories in new52. Funny thing is Hades in her own book is actual what they keep desperately describing superman is somehow lol.

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Just. . . no clones, please.

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@redwingx said:

Don't confuse a fangirl with feminist please.

I didn't wanna be so blunt but...

DAMN YOU!

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@kasino said:

just need to be featured more

I rather powergirl then supergirl, but love them both

superboy, steel, eradicator, livewire and powergirl. all lead by supes. the best thing they could do is rebuild a population on a smaller Earth for them to protect. Like their new krypton similar to thor main stories taking place in asgard with his cast. too powerful together to protect just metropolis but can't deal with the entire world .

This guy gets it.

What I would do is have them come together to save a planet, and take shifts watching over it (mainly leaving Eradicator, since I doubt he'd be missed by anyone like the others,) Not as large as Earth, but large enough that it needs help. It could even be considered a New Krypton. Put it in a bad sector, that not even The Lanterns go to.

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#27  Edited By DianaXKal

I'm just glad I'm not the only one that thinks Toplel is insane, lol.

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@saint_wildcard: How was that blunt, even I agree with him/it. I want nothing to do with the feminist orthodoxy. Are we done with the insults tonight?

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@saint_wildcard: How was that blunt, even I agree with him/it. I want nothing to do with the feminist orthodoxy. Are we done with the insults tonight?

I only say these things because I love you.....

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Go back to Pre-52.

If they're not going to do that then bring back Conner, get rid of Supergirl's red lantern ring, more stories with Steel, and generally have them act like a Superhero family.

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It's like superman beat up archizoom and Batman stole Superguy's lunch money.

Too true lol

@scouterv said:

@kasino said:

just need to be featured more

I rather powergirl then supergirl, but love them both

superboy, steel, eradicator, livewire and powergirl. all lead by supes. the best thing they could do is rebuild a population on a smaller Earth for them to protect. Like their new krypton similar to thor main stories taking place in asgard with his cast. too powerful together to protect just metropolis but can't deal with the entire world .

This guy gets it.

What I would do is have them come together to save a planet, and take shifts watching over it (mainly leaving Eradicator, since I doubt he'd be missed by anyone like the others,) Not as large as Earth, but large enough that it needs help. It could even be considered a New Krypton. Put it in a bad sector, that not even The Lanterns go to.

This is a good idea.

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Pak's Action Comics has renewed my interest in Steel, since he's one of the more fleshed out auxiliary members of the Superman Family, how about giving him a six issue mini, to test the waters and see if he can sustain an ongoing.

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@scouterv said:

@kasino said:

just need to be featured more

I rather powergirl then supergirl, but love them both

superboy, steel, eradicator, livewire and powergirl. all lead by supes. the best thing they could do is rebuild a population on a smaller Earth for them to protect. Like their new krypton similar to thor main stories taking place in asgard with his cast. too powerful together to protect just metropolis but can't deal with the entire world .

This guy gets it.

What I would do is have them come together to save a planet, and take shifts watching over it (mainly leaving Eradicator, since I doubt he'd be missed by anyone like the others,) Not as large as Earth, but large enough that it needs help. It could even be considered a New Krypton. Put it in a bad sector, that not even The Lanterns go to.

I totally agree dude. I think it could lead to some great stories

does the superman family shape this world with their ideals? do the population follow? how much so, do they try to enforce them on Earth(superman family stuck between his adopted home and the one he built)?

how they get there? a dimension they protect or a instant transporter

what type of villain comes from this population? what type dares come after the home of Superman(rare to even go after the Fortress)? there could be something special about this New Krypton, a material or location, that brings villains after this planet that takes the Superman family a dedicated watch to protect.

the history of the planet could be flushed out for a villain(magic/tech is everywhere in the universe). the history of the people he brought to the planet as well. maybe the government in place is extremely corrupt, as Supes most likely wouldn't be king/god here but as he is on Earth.

I think it would be great for the Superman family. Supes is fine no matter what in Metropolis and Superboy is a Titan but Supergir(Power Girl), Steel, Livewire and Eradicator could all use this. Not to mention a place to have crazy all out battles.

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@archizoom: But Batman is DC's biggest character; everyone is in his shadow.

And Cassie and Donna are in Diana's shadow, do we kill her off too?

Main reason they will never kill him or make him interesting anymore.

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True. these ideas so far are gonna be needed to help supermans family. Plus the new edition to his family like the last son of earth and even wonder woman has kinda been involved in the issues with clarks family too.

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Superboy is boring.....

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Making it a family would be a good first step.

Exactly. None of them are particularly close. Even Superman and Supergirl, the closest of anyone else there, are very cool towards each other (mostly on Supergirl's end)

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@mightus said:

True. these ideas so far are gonna be needed to help supermans family. Plus the new edition to his family like the last son of earth and even wonder woman has kinda been involved in the issues with clarks family too.

Wonder Woman is not a member of the Superfamily, she is not a Superman supporting character though sadly she seems like so these days.

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@kasino said:

@scouterv said:

@kasino said:

just need to be featured more

I rather powergirl then supergirl, but love them both

superboy, steel, eradicator, livewire and powergirl. all lead by supes. the best thing they could do is rebuild a population on a smaller Earth for them to protect. Like their new krypton similar to thor main stories taking place in asgard with his cast. too powerful together to protect just metropolis but can't deal with the entire world .

This guy gets it.

What I would do is have them come together to save a planet, and take shifts watching over it (mainly leaving Eradicator, since I doubt he'd be missed by anyone like the others,) Not as large as Earth, but large enough that it needs help. It could even be considered a New Krypton. Put it in a bad sector, that not even The Lanterns go to.

I totally agree dude. I think it could lead to some great stories

does the superman family shape this world with their ideals? do the population follow? how much so, do they try to enforce them on Earth(superman family stuck between his adopted home and the one he built)?

how they get there? a dimension they protect or a instant transporter

what type of villain comes from this population? what type dares come after the home of Superman(rare to even go after the Fortress)? there could be something special about this New Krypton, a material or location, that brings villains after this planet that takes the Superman family a dedicated watch to protect.

the history of the planet could be flushed out for a villain(magic/tech is everywhere in the universe). the history of the people he brought to the planet as well. maybe the government in place is extremely corrupt, as Supes most likely wouldn't be king/god here but as he is on Earth.

I think it would be great for the Superman family. Supes is fine no matter what in Metropolis and Superboy is a Titan but Supergir(Power Girl), Steel, Livewire and Eradicator could all use this. Not to mention a place to have crazy all out battles.

Well, this is just a rough outline, but the idea I had was something like this (in order/answering your questions.)

1. Being that the Superman Family consists of more than just Kryptonians, I would say it's a mixture of Kryptonian and Human Laws of order, after saving the planet from it's original ruler/disaster (probably disaster, lest we run the risk of just reintroducing Mongol and a War-World Concept, even though that does have some appeal, and comes into play a bit into this explanation.) Sort of like what Superman is meant to be. The Team wants to try merging the best of Krypton (Kara and The Eradicator knowing a lot of their planets' history,) and the best of Earth, (Superman and Steel being experts.)

2. I would say a type of transportation, similar to the Zeta Beams or the technology that brought Martian Manhunter to Earth. The story behind it being, it was a "shrine" meant to bring their religious deity or hero of legend to save their people. Instead, while they were gathered, it summoned The Superman Squad.

3. I imagine this to be something of a Warrior Culture (separate from the variety of Earth and the Scientific Krypton.) Typical villains from this World are users of what we'd call Ki/Chi, making them a new type of challenge for The Superman Squad. Almost Dragonballish in capabilities, but with fewer charging moves and typically smarter. However, aside from simply using Ki, some people could channel that ability into manipulation of the elements, like the benders of Avatar. I could expend somewhat more on these ideas later, if you'd like. Because it's so prevalent, this Ki also makes for a great natural and potentially inexhaustible energy supply, bringing villains from other places, but also giving to the possibility of new members joining the Superman Family from this planet. The inhabitants are strong, but nobody near Kryptonian levels at the moment and if I were to continue with the Dragon Ball references, I'd say nobody even outmatches Goku by the start of DragonBall Z on this planet.

I agree that there are some characters that need this, like Livewire (having not even debuted in the New 52 yet,) Eradicator, and Steel. I also realize this is kind of like an in-universe joke on the whole, Superman vs. Goku thing, which I didn't even intend until I was thinking about something new to introduce into the Superman series.

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It's like superman beat up archizoom and Batman stole Superguy's lunch money.

It could be wishful thinking but me thinks Archi has been banned. Just check out her last two posts.

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#41  Edited By RustyRoy

Main reason they will never kill him or make him interesting anymore.

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Dude what's your problem? Everyone has been pissing at Batman since New 52. He's been manhandled by not only villains but heroes too.

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On topic, not everyone needs a superhero family.

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@rustyroy: Jesus, people just cant get a joke.

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DC could have expanded the Superman family a long time ago, there isn't a lack of options.

DC made a heck of a mistake with the Eradicator. They changed him for the worst in the New 52. They had the change to reintroduce him into Superman family and really messed that up. To me the Eradicator (the kriptonian humanoid) always had lots of potential, he simply never had a good team behind him. A good writer and designer go a long way.

They also messed up Lar Gand aka Valor. He could have been a good addition to the superman family, but again DC lost sight of that opportunity.

And finaly they could have reintroduce Linda Danvers aka Matrix, this time she could have been a human that gained powers (kriptonian or other) that came to be part of Superman's family, has Superwoman or Flamebird.

Batman has Batwoman, Superman needs a Superwoman.

And this are just a few options, both Flamebird and Nightwing could be reintroduced with new origins.

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1. Consider adding Livewire again to represent the Blue Superman

2. Add a new character with fire powers and have him represent the Red Superman (and consider modeling him after Angry Joe)

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The SUPER family is just not "in character" so much right now, if they got back to who they are at their cores then the fun being a crazy dysfunctional family will happen.

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@heavenlydarkdragon: @stephens2177: This is pretty much true except they are already dysfunctioal lol. Their is just too much "doom" happening to even get them all to come together and work out the issues they desperately need to fix. And superman never needed a superwoman. He already has supergirl and powergirl as family and now his new girlfriend happens to be wonder woman, so they just need to work with what they already got.

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@mightus:

Supergirl that has been acting has a spoiled brat from the start, and Powergirl that never wanted anything to do with Superman, yeah great choices...

Honestly I would kick powergirl and supergirl to a corner if it meant that more adult and reliable characters would be added.

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That is why they need to be worked on. Before n52 they were as close to him as sisters and cousins would be.

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#50  Edited By Lvenger

@saint_wildcard: You'd better not be making false predictions bout stuff. Cause if you're wrong,

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