LOL! I almost feel tempted to say that Grounded Superman deserves a nutshot, for sheer stupidity. But no, the story disappointed me so bad as one of the last post-crisis stories that I honestly watch and read All-Star Superman to drown out how bad it was.
@burningmartian: Superman decides to walk across America, yes, just walk and spend a year doing that. And that was the last bit of Superman before the reboot, IIRC, and a bunch of PIS IMO.
At least in Truth we had things like Clark kicking guys in the nuts. And if we remove his dickish decisions towards Diana (because DC wanted it so) and the Mythbrawl moments, Truth did have little but interesting new moments with Superman out of the picture and only Clark center stage.
Grounded basically did a 360°. It ended pretty much has it started. Or to be more accurate it brought absolutely nothing to Superman has a character, and it served to place him back as the big blue boy scout once again, after his little depression.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd even read Truth over Grounded. That was the very first time I got turned off of Superman comics, and to date, still the worst
@heavenlydarkdragon: At least this version of Superman isn't about to get a reboot. Grounded was. So there's years of stories for him, and a fraction of them will be good.
I'm actually more interested in knowing the names of the people who approved both. Grounded would have been alright if it were a 2-4 issue arc,Truth is just a Travesty.
@entropy_aegis: Maybe if Grounded was just reduced to the good parts like Superman talking the young girl out of suicide, stopping an abusive father from beating his son and being a few issues of Superman helping out with smaller problems, it might have worked. But of course it became a politically driven piece for JMS since Superman visited cities that lean on the democrat party side IIRC and the story itself just devolved into rubbish. And yet Truth is still worse than this.
@entropy_aegis: Maybe if Grounded was just reduced to the good parts like Superman talking the young girl out of suicide, stopping an abusive father from beating his son and being a few issues of Superman helping out with smaller problems, it might have worked. But of course it became a politically driven piece for JMS since Superman visited cities that lean on the democrat party side IIRC and the story itself just devolved into rubbish. And yet Truth is still worse than this.
WOW I didn't even notice that. I often wonder if DC went ahead with Grounded,Cry for Justice, and gave WW that reboot as well as Tony Daniel the Bat book just to get fans onboard with Flashpoint.
@entropy_aegis: Maybe if Grounded was just reduced to the good parts like Superman talking the young girl out of suicide, stopping an abusive father from beating his son and being a few issues of Superman helping out with smaller problems, it might have worked. But of course it became a politically driven piece for JMS since Superman visited cities that lean on the democrat party side IIRC and the story itself just devolved into rubbish. And yet Truth is still worse than this.
WOW I didn't even notice that. I often wonder if DC went ahead with Grounded,Cry for Justice, and gave WW that reboot as well as Tony Daniel the Bat book just to get fans onboard with Flashpoint.
Nor did I either since I'm British, not American. But I read a blog or online piece after Grounded was ending and it mentioned that Superman's walk coincidentally took him through Democrat city territory. If DC really did intentionally write bad stories before the Pre Flashpoint era ended just so fans would be more appeased by the Flashpoint reboot, their marketing strategy is truly more devious than we would have thought.
@entropy_aegis: Maybe if Grounded was just reduced to the good parts like Superman talking the young girl out of suicide, stopping an abusive father from beating his son and being a few issues of Superman helping out with smaller problems, it might have worked. But of course it became a politically driven piece for JMS since Superman visited cities that lean on the democrat party side IIRC and the story itself just devolved into rubbish. And yet Truth is still worse than this.
WOW I didn't even notice that. I often wonder if DC went ahead with Grounded,Cry for Justice, and gave WW that reboot as well as Tony Daniel the Bat book just to get fans onboard with Flashpoint.
Nor did I either since I'm British, not American. But I read a blog or online piece after Grounded was ending and it mentioned that Superman's walk coincidentally took him through Democrat city territory. If DC really did intentionally write bad stories before the Pre Flashpoint era ended just so fans would be more appeased by the Flashpoint reboot, their marketing strategy is truly more devious than we would have thought.
This sounds more intriguing than the actual story,do you have a link?
The pattern does kinda fit though,now you have Truth and Finches on WW...or maybe DC screws up so bad that a reboot is inevitable anyway.
@entropy_aegis: Maybe if Grounded was just reduced to the good parts like Superman talking the young girl out of suicide, stopping an abusive father from beating his son and being a few issues of Superman helping out with smaller problems, it might have worked. But of course it became a politically driven piece for JMS since Superman visited cities that lean on the democrat party side IIRC and the story itself just devolved into rubbish. And yet Truth is still worse than this.
WOW I didn't even notice that. I often wonder if DC went ahead with Grounded,Cry for Justice, and gave WW that reboot as well as Tony Daniel the Bat book just to get fans onboard with Flashpoint.
Nor did I either since I'm British, not American. But I read a blog or online piece after Grounded was ending and it mentioned that Superman's walk coincidentally took him through Democrat city territory. If DC really did intentionally write bad stories before the Pre Flashpoint era ended just so fans would be more appeased by the Flashpoint reboot, their marketing strategy is truly more devious than we would have thought.
This sounds more intriguing than the actual story,do you have a link?
The pattern does kinda fit though,now you have Truth and Finches on WW...or maybe DC screws up so bad that a reboot is inevitable anyway.
I'll have a search around for it though I can't make any promises on finding it. I can't quite remember the article's name and it might be lost to the chasms of the Internet.
Speaking of the reboot, Bleeding Cool are running a bus load of articles today. Probably for clickbait purposes I imagine but the earliest has Tom King rumoured to be the next bi weekly Batman writer. Expect to see stuff like that making the rounds on the forums.
@entropy_aegis: Maybe if Grounded was just reduced to the good parts like Superman talking the young girl out of suicide, stopping an abusive father from beating his son and being a few issues of Superman helping out with smaller problems, it might have worked. But of course it became a politically driven piece for JMS since Superman visited cities that lean on the democrat party side IIRC and the story itself just devolved into rubbish. And yet Truth is still worse than this.
WOW I didn't even notice that. I often wonder if DC went ahead with Grounded,Cry for Justice, and gave WW that reboot as well as Tony Daniel the Bat book just to get fans onboard with Flashpoint.
Nor did I either since I'm British, not American. But I read a blog or online piece after Grounded was ending and it mentioned that Superman's walk coincidentally took him through Democrat city territory. If DC really did intentionally write bad stories before the Pre Flashpoint era ended just so fans would be more appeased by the Flashpoint reboot, their marketing strategy is truly more devious than we would have thought.
This sounds more intriguing than the actual story,do you have a link?
The pattern does kinda fit though,now you have Truth and Finches on WW...or maybe DC screws up so bad that a reboot is inevitable anyway.
I'll have a search around for it though I can't make any promises on finding it. I can't quite remember the article's name and it might be lost to the chasms of the Internet.
Speaking of the reboot, Bleeding Cool are running a bus load of articles today. Probably for clickbait purposes I imagine but the earliest has Tom King rumoured to be the next bi weekly Batman writer. Expect to see stuff like that making the rounds on the forums.
Thanks.
Sounds too good to be true,I hope so. Him,Seeley,Orlando and Gleason are Grant Morrison's successors on Batman so I'd be thrilled with any of them. Just hope the other writer(if any) isn't Johns or Snyder or a Snyder protege like Tynion or Bennet.
You know I made a thread about possible creative teams on the Batman books,why dont you guys make one about Superman?
@entropy_aegis: King would be better than most other writers to write Batman. I think Snyder will be off Batman for a bit now and Johns won't be a likely current Batman writer. He'll stick with his Earth One stuff I bet. And I regret to inform you that early rumours have Midnighter down as a cancelled series after Rebirth begins :(
I might do that today now that you mention it, though I'm not sure who would fit the bill. Pak is off Action Comics according to a Newsarama interview regarding his upcoming Teen Titans stint, Yang might not want to continue after Rebirth and BC also says Batman/Superman and Superman/Wonder Woman might be cancelled too. I'm personally not sure who DC are likely to go with or who the likely writers would be.
@entropy_aegis: King would be better than most other writers to write Batman. I think Snyder will be off Batman for a bit now and Johns won't be a likely current Batman writer. He'll stick with his Earth One stuff I bet. And I regret to inform you that early rumours have Midnighter down as a cancelled series after Rebirth begins :(
I might do that today now that you mention it, though I'm not sure who would fit the bill. Pak is off Action Comics according to a Newsarama interview regarding his upcoming Teen Titans stint, Yang might not want to continue after Rebirth and BC also says Batman/Superman and Superman/Wonder Woman might be cancelled too. I'm personally not sure who DC are likely to go with or who the likely writers would be.
Midnighters cancellation is a blow to both good story telling and diversity but I've been expecting it for a while now. I hope Orlando gets a book and uses him there.
Johns should write Shazam imo and King on Batman is awesome but I would be surprised if he doesn't have someone as co-pilot.
Cancellation of those two books is the best new I've heard in a while. Next time they should make books like those with a year or so of advance prep.
Max Landis on Superman? I dont think it would be too far fetched.
@entropy_aegis: Maybe if Grounded was just reduced to the good parts like Superman talking the young girl out of suicide, stopping an abusive father from beating his son and being a few issues of Superman helping out with smaller problems, it might have worked. But of course it became a politically driven piece for JMS since Superman visited cities that lean on the democrat party side IIRC and the story itself just devolved into rubbish. And yet Truth is still worse than this.
WOW I didn't even notice that. I often wonder if DC went ahead with Grounded,Cry for Justice, and gave WW that reboot as well as Tony Daniel the Bat book just to get fans onboard with Flashpoint.
Nor did I either since I'm British, not American. But I read a blog or online piece after Grounded was ending and it mentioned that Superman's walk coincidentally took him through Democrat city territory. If DC really did intentionally write bad stories before the Pre Flashpoint era ended just so fans would be more appeased by the Flashpoint reboot, their marketing strategy is truly more devious than we would have thought.
Grounded was a time where they got what I call "Trunky" (Getting ready to pack up the travel bags and go). That is, they knew that they would be done with the series so they didn't care that much.
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