Does anybody want to see Subject Zero again?

Yeah definitely, but they should give him golden hair lol

Kakaro....ah-ehm!.....KAAL-EEL!

That sounds better :P

For what it's worth, both CV and Wikipedia seem to regard Neil Sinclair as Flashpoint's version of Apollo.

@izaiah: yeah i've noticed that too, it is probably an error

Kinda reminds me of a living World Engine. And his powers are pretty cool, I say bring him on.

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@undefined:

Actually him showing up or DC using him again is pretty much out of the question.

Remember that what allowed him to become subject zero, was that the military found Doomsday body, and while they tried to awaken him from his slumber, Doomsday never reacted to any stimuli. So has an alternative they used Doomsday dna to graft it to human dna, and see what would happen.

The major problem is that Doomsday in the N52 timeline has been altered. He's no longer the same. If they tried to use current Doomsday dna on a human being, one of two things would happen, either the person would die because of the null-field that the dna emits or the human in question would start to transform into Doomsday.

So having all this info at hand, we can pretty much conclude that Subject Zero is not gonna appear.

Not unless they change his origin story. And instead of using Doomsday dna, they could use a mixture of Superman dna with kryptonite, inject that altered kryptonian dna into a human being and from it, a new Subject Zero being born.

Sounds a bit like Superman X/Kell-El from the Legion of Super Heroes animated series.

Am I the only one who doesn't see any connection to Broly whatsoever? It's clearly more of an Apollo/Captain Atom inspired Flashpoint villain than a Broly like villain. Also, seeing what Snyder did for Subject Zero makes me realise what kind of villain he thinks is best suited for Superman to fight, especially considering how he wrote Wraith in Superman Unchained. But it seems Subject Zero got more proper development in 3 issues than Wraith did in 9, that's a little annoying due to Wraith's potential in the Superman mythos, both as a tenuous mentor and dangerously powerful foe.

@izaiah:

Yes, it does. But what can I say, if they really wanted to bring subject zero back, then the origin story would've to be changed.

Using Doomsday dna is no longer an option, so for him to have the same powers he had, that were so similar to those of a kryptonian, then the logic action would be to do what I've said in the previous post or, if you think the kryptonian dna was too much, they could have a team of scientists create purely from different isotopes of kryptonite, a new altogether dna strand, that because it was made from kryptonite it would give the human subject similar powers to those of a kryptonian.

This subject zero character sounds very interesting.

Let’s see. Bigger in stature than Superman; long hair; Kryptonian-like abilities and in some fields even more advanced; some ties to Superman’s lore – in that regard both Subject Zero and H’El look similar to me. Not in their character development or motivation, more about lines of superficial similarity and power set than anything else.

@heavenlydarkdragon:

If they tried to use current Doomsday dna on a human being, one of two things would happen, either the person would die because of the null-field that the dna emits or the human in question would start to transform into Doomsday.

Fairly sure it will be first option, since Doomed indicated that person should be on Superman’s level of invulnerability/durability to even survive long enough to start D-infection.

if they really wanted to bring subject zero back, then the origin story would've to be changed.

In New-52 role of government’ super soldier was played by Wraith, now that he met his end, military might decide to start new Super soldier program. I’m sure they still have some probes of Wraith DNA, it will be nice alternative to Doomsday’ DNA plus much more likely source to give abilities similar to Superman’.

@sanohibiki: He seems more similar to Wraith in motivations and character development (without Wraith's sacrifice at the end) but where's the similarities to H'El? As for The Machine making a new Super Soldier from Wraith's DNA, wouldn't the government have shut them down now that Lois wrote her article exposing The Machine's activities and actions? Can't have a secret government facility if everyone knows it exists.

I must have been living under a rock cause this is the first time I'm hearing of this.

@lvenger:

He seems more similar to Wraith in motivations and character development (without Wraith's sacrifice at the end) but where's the similarities to H'El?

I probably didn’t express myself clear, sorry. H’El and Subject Zero – they’re both very tall, with long hair and pale skin plus with what appear to be more advanced Kryptonian-like powers. That’s just superficial external resemblance, nothing more (even then it might be only me who sees it like that). In terms of motivation and character’ concept – yep, you’re right, Subject Zero and Wraith are pretty similar.

As for The Machine making a new Super Soldier from Wraith's DNA, wouldn't the government have shut them down now that Lois wrote her article exposing The Machine's activities and actions? Can't have a secret government facility if everyone knows it exists.

I didn’t say that it supposed to be exactly The Machine:) I’m sure that there are plenty of secret government agencies in DCU and since Lois wrote her article, they also became aware of Wraith’ existence. His DNA is too valuable resource to waste (even talking about Superman, how many times his DNA has been experimented on by how many different people), so through their channels they somehow obtained some of it and started their experiments in creating Supersoldiers.

@sanohibiki: It does make me realise what kind of foes Snyder thinks are right for Superman to face. Considering how alike Wraith and Subject Zero are alike in origins, motivations and even powersets, it's no wonder Snyder wrote Wraith the way he did.

True, you're right to point out that there's an abundance of secret government facilities in the DCU and it's not inconceivable that they could acquire Wraith's DNA from The Machine headquarters. I would like something from Snyder's Unchained run to continue into New 52 continuity. But unfortunately, it seems that Superman Unchained is treated as a "technically canon, but not really referenced" story in the New 52.

Yes his origins totally remind of Apollo or Captain Atom,or every other super being who was ever made in a lab,but his appearance is clearly inspired to the dbz characters, that's why people are comparing him to Broly or Goku.

Eh I don't know, has Snyder commented on this yet?

No and i doubt he will ever comment on those 3 comics,they were published in the 2011 and they are quite unknow to almost everyone (that's why i have made this thread).

Still,even without a comment from Snyder or Gene Ha (the artist) it is quite clear where they have taken inspiration,besides the hair there are many similarities with the characters from dragonball: Subject Zero at the beginning wasn't as strong as he was at the end of the story,but as his powers continued to grow so did his hair,more or less like the changes that has goku when he powers up,then in Project Superman # 1 we can see that he has even some chinese characters tatooed on his back. Then last but not least his energy attacks reminds a lot the ones of dbz

Nice! he seems to be a fusion between Goku and Zod! really really cool character

@lvenger@sanohibiki@unbreakable_fs4@heavenlydarkdragon@zandalf@sog7dc

Some days ago i was thinking at this fight and i had some free time,so i had to do this. here Superman has his new costume....it was much more simple to draw,that was a relief.

@toptom: Wow, you drew that? That's amazing!

@toptom:

Check Supes' newest costume; it even simpler to draw :P

You must really like concept of Subject Zero's character. Thanks for sharing with us, cool picture.

yes,thanks!

yeah...maybe even too much simpler. :/

Then yes i like this character very much,but i don't like him more than a doomsday or a darkseid,mostly i just wanted to try to drawing him for the first time,then dc changed the superman's suit and of course i wanted to do the same for him,so here you are this drawing.