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The Good

Dan Slott is barely giving the characters in this book (and readers) a chance to catch their breath after the events in (the over-sized) last issue.

For the past few months, we've seen the Green Goblin slowly taking control over the organized crime in New York, something that is getting in the way of Hobgoblin's plans. This leads to the confrontation we've been waiting for, the original Green Goblin vs the original Hobgoblin. But is it really? It does seem odd that we haven't actually seen Norman Osborn since he disappeared from the hospital and we can only assume it's him under the mask. Slott does address this doubt in the midst of the battle. If you're a fan of either Goblin, you'll want to see how this fight plays out.

Some new developments have occurred with SUPERIOR Spider-Man and the Avengers. They continue to be suspicious over his recent changes in behavior. They've confronted him last issue but there are still some questions to be answered. While this is going on, there's that one other development that happened in issue #25 that made fans stand up and cheer. You can tell that Slott gets who Spider-Man is. Spidey's always been one to face the most incredible odds and would somehow manage to overcome it all. There has to be a limit at some point and you can't help but feel the suspense as we wait for the next chapter to unfold.

With the issue basically containing three different battles, the art is divided between Humberto Ramos, Javier Rodriguez and Marcos Martin. There's a lot of cool scenes we get to see from each artist. Normally I'm not a fan of multiple artists on the same issue but with the way it's divided, it's not the typical jarring effect we sometimes get.

The Bad

I can accept if multiple artists were required for this issue to keep up with the schedule. There are some slight similarities between Rodriguez and Martin but Ramos' art has a separate feel. Despite being a fan of the art, some of the Avengers, like Cap and Black Widow, looked a little off. As the team members were basically standing around in the confrontation with Spider-Man, they also felt a little stiff. The different art also really makes this feel like we're reading three different stories mixed together in one issue as it jumps from artist to artist.

The Verdict

Dan Slott continues to keep the fuse burning as the events in the series are ready to explode. Slott keeps throwing curveballs and twists at us as the action jumps all over the pages. You can feel it all building and that feeling of not knowing what might happen as you turn the page is a thrilling experience. We get the art from three different amazing artists. Despite the usual distractions as the art suddenly shifts with each artist, we get some cool scenes and you can try to overlook the differences. Dan Slott makes sure you never know what's coming next. That's just one thing that makes SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN so much fun issue after issue.

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#1 Edited by TobenRacicot (114 posts) - - Show Bio

So stoked to read this!

#2 Posted by danhimself (22444 posts) - - Show Bio

I still have this feeling that the Goblin King isn't Norman...we still haven't seen his face and I'm pretty sure that we've seen his chest before without any scars from the glider....there for a second I thought it was Ben but he got hit in the back with the glider

#4 Posted by iSummers (45 posts) - - Show Bio

I still have this feeling that the Goblin King isn't Norman...we still haven't seen his face and I'm pretty sure that we've seen his chest before without any scars from the glider....there for a second I thought it was Ben but he got hit in the back with the glider

i have the same feeling...

#5 Edited by redhood21 (802 posts) - - Show Bio

:O BEN?!?! MY BEN?!?! a goblin!??!

#6 Posted by Master_Thief (774 posts) - - Show Bio

So my worst fear has been confirmed

Spidey's avenger no more and ock is undoing everything since spiderman big time

#7 Edited by danhimself (22444 posts) - - Show Bio

:O BEN?!?! MY BEN?!?! a goblin!??!

that was my initial thought but then I thought about it and it wouldn't make sense since Ben was hit in the back with the glider and the Goblin King's scar is on his chest...though it would make a ton of sense since Ben shouldn't have degenerated and Norman could have been holding him and brainwashing him this entire time

#8 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11309 posts) - - Show Bio

I still have this feeling that the Goblin King isn't Norman...we still haven't seen his face and I'm pretty sure that we've seen his chest before without any scars from the glider....there for a second I thought it was Ben but he got hit in the back with the glider

I can't even think it could be Ben because if/when it turns out not to be him, I will be so mad. I don't know if it should be noted but when fake Hobgoblin accused GG of being Harry and insulted him a bit the GG responded with "Hey, don't insult my --" his what? Son? Brother? Father (and this is a kid we don't know about)? I don't know...

#9 Posted by danhimself (22444 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

I still have this feeling that the Goblin King isn't Norman...we still haven't seen his face and I'm pretty sure that we've seen his chest before without any scars from the glider....there for a second I thought it was Ben but he got hit in the back with the glider

I can't even think it could be Ben because if/when it turns out not to be him, I will be so mad. I don't know if it should be noted but when fake Hobgoblin accused GG of being Harry and insulted him a bit the GG responded with "Hey, don't insult my --" his what? Son? Brother? Father (and this is a kid we don't know about)? I don't know...

I don't think it is him...it was just a thought that popped into my head while reading the issue...like I said if it is him then the scar isn't in the right place unless someone screwed up...we know that Norman has had a father/son fantasy with Peter before though and it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to think that those kinds of feelings would extend to Ben as well...he was also responsible for Ben's creation and in his crazy head could see Ben as a son just like the Jackal does....we also know that Ben should have never degenerated like that and the popular theory is that Norman switched him with another clone at some point and has been holding Ben captive all of this time...he could have used that time to brainwash him into thinking that he really is his son so he would have been saying "Hey, don't insult my brother!"

again...I don't think it's him...we've been begging for Ben's return for so long and Marvel has done nothing but tease us with potential returns like the flaming hoodie teaser from the Spider Island promos or with Kraven in Scarlet Spider more recently but if it is him then it's not really all that much of a stretch to get him to this point

#10 Edited by HumanRocket (7622 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself: I'm up to 80% that it is Norman. The way he was about to say "my son" before stopping himself made me think it was him but then again it also made me think it was Harry since he could have gotten angry at the insult about Harry was made. I loved how they showed memories of Peters defining moments which helped him gain te strength to keep fighting on.

#11 Edited by ArturoCalaKayVee (11309 posts) - - Show Bio

@arturocalakayvee said:

@danhimself said:

I still have this feeling that the Goblin King isn't Norman...we still haven't seen his face and I'm pretty sure that we've seen his chest before without any scars from the glider....there for a second I thought it was Ben but he got hit in the back with the glider

I can't even think it could be Ben because if/when it turns out not to be him, I will be so mad. I don't know if it should be noted but when fake Hobgoblin accused GG of being Harry and insulted him a bit the GG responded with "Hey, don't insult my --" his what? Son? Brother? Father (and this is a kid we don't know about)? I don't know...

I don't think it is him...it was just a thought that popped into my head while reading the issue...like I said if it is him then the scar isn't in the right place unless someone screwed up...we know that Norman has had a father/son fantasy with Peter before though and it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to think that those kinds of feelings would extend to Ben as well...he was also responsible for Ben's creation and in his crazy head could see Ben as a son just like the Jackal does....we also know that Ben should have never degenerated like that and the popular theory is that Norman switched him with another clone at some point and has been holding Ben captive all of this time...he could have used that time to brainwash him into thinking that he really is his son so he would have been saying "Hey, don't insult my brother!"

again...I don't think it's him...we've been begging for Ben's return for so long and Marvel has done nothing but tease us with potential returns like the flaming hoodie teaser from the Spider Island promos or with Kraven in Scarlet Spider more recently but if it is him then it's not really all that much of a stretch to get him to this point

Man. The amount of hope that post just gave me. And after all the hope I've managed to block out in recent time that Ben will come back lmao. But assuming it IS Ben…that could lead into a whole world of possibilities.

1) Ben is back. Is he good after this?

2) Ben is back. Is he evil now?

3) Ben is back. BEN IS BACK. Peter is returning…Doc is going to need a body...

4) Ben is back … and he dies after this. Actual death. Bleh.

Okay so right now I can only think of 4 possibilities but the point still stands.

#12 Posted by danhimself (22444 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@danhimself said:

I still have this feeling that the Goblin King isn't Norman...we still haven't seen his face and I'm pretty sure that we've seen his chest before without any scars from the glider....there for a second I thought it was Ben but he got hit in the back with the glider

I can't even think it could be Ben because if/when it turns out not to be him, I will be so mad. I don't know if it should be noted but when fake Hobgoblin accused GG of being Harry and insulted him a bit the GG responded with "Hey, don't insult my --" his what? Son? Brother? Father (and this is a kid we don't know about)? I don't know...

I don't think it is him...it was just a thought that popped into my head while reading the issue...like I said if it is him then the scar isn't in the right place unless someone screwed up...we know that Norman has had a father/son fantasy with Peter before though and it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to think that those kinds of feelings would extend to Ben as well...he was also responsible for Ben's creation and in his crazy head could see Ben as a son just like the Jackal does....we also know that Ben should have never degenerated like that and the popular theory is that Norman switched him with another clone at some point and has been holding Ben captive all of this time...he could have used that time to brainwash him into thinking that he really is his son so he would have been saying "Hey, don't insult my brother!"

again...I don't think it's him...we've been begging for Ben's return for so long and Marvel has done nothing but tease us with potential returns like the flaming hoodie teaser from the Spider Island promos or with Kraven in Scarlet Spider more recently but if it is him then it's not really all that much of a stretch to get him to this point

Man. The amount of hope that post just gave me. And after all the hope I've managed to block out in recent time that Ben will come back lmao. But assuming it IS Ben…that could lead into a whole world of possibilities.

1) Ben is back. Is he good after this?

2) Ben is back. Is he evil now?

3) Ben is back. BEN IS BACK. Peter is returning…Doc is going to need a body...

4) Ben is back … and he dies after this. Actual death. Bleh.

Okay so right now I can only think of 4 possibilities but the point still stands.

also

5) just where is Norman?

#13 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11309 posts) - - Show Bio

@arturocalakayvee said:

@danhimself said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@danhimself said:

I still have this feeling that the Goblin King isn't Norman...we still haven't seen his face and I'm pretty sure that we've seen his chest before without any scars from the glider....there for a second I thought it was Ben but he got hit in the back with the glider

I can't even think it could be Ben because if/when it turns out not to be him, I will be so mad. I don't know if it should be noted but when fake Hobgoblin accused GG of being Harry and insulted him a bit the GG responded with "Hey, don't insult my --" his what? Son? Brother? Father (and this is a kid we don't know about)? I don't know...

I don't think it is him...it was just a thought that popped into my head while reading the issue...like I said if it is him then the scar isn't in the right place unless someone screwed up...we know that Norman has had a father/son fantasy with Peter before though and it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to think that those kinds of feelings would extend to Ben as well...he was also responsible for Ben's creation and in his crazy head could see Ben as a son just like the Jackal does....we also know that Ben should have never degenerated like that and the popular theory is that Norman switched him with another clone at some point and has been holding Ben captive all of this time...he could have used that time to brainwash him into thinking that he really is his son so he would have been saying "Hey, don't insult my brother!"

again...I don't think it's him...we've been begging for Ben's return for so long and Marvel has done nothing but tease us with potential returns like the flaming hoodie teaser from the Spider Island promos or with Kraven in Scarlet Spider more recently but if it is him then it's not really all that much of a stretch to get him to this point

Man. The amount of hope that post just gave me. And after all the hope I've managed to block out in recent time that Ben will come back lmao. But assuming it IS Ben…that could lead into a whole world of possibilities.

1) Ben is back. Is he good after this?

2) Ben is back. Is he evil now?

3) Ben is back. BEN IS BACK. Peter is returning…Doc is going to need a body...

4) Ben is back … and he dies after this. Actual death. Bleh.

Okay so right now I can only think of 4 possibilities but the point still stands.

also

5) just where is Norman?

Ben kidnapped him and has been keeping him captive, slowly taking DNA samples and grafting them into his own body so he becomes…THE SUPERIOR GREEN GOBLIN KING!

I don't know, it's probably Norman......

#14 Edited by danhimself (22444 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@danhimself said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@danhimself said:

I still have this feeling that the Goblin King isn't Norman...we still haven't seen his face and I'm pretty sure that we've seen his chest before without any scars from the glider....there for a second I thought it was Ben but he got hit in the back with the glider

I can't even think it could be Ben because if/when it turns out not to be him, I will be so mad. I don't know if it should be noted but when fake Hobgoblin accused GG of being Harry and insulted him a bit the GG responded with "Hey, don't insult my --" his what? Son? Brother? Father (and this is a kid we don't know about)? I don't know...

I don't think it is him...it was just a thought that popped into my head while reading the issue...like I said if it is him then the scar isn't in the right place unless someone screwed up...we know that Norman has had a father/son fantasy with Peter before though and it wouldn't be to far of a stretch to think that those kinds of feelings would extend to Ben as well...he was also responsible for Ben's creation and in his crazy head could see Ben as a son just like the Jackal does....we also know that Ben should have never degenerated like that and the popular theory is that Norman switched him with another clone at some point and has been holding Ben captive all of this time...he could have used that time to brainwash him into thinking that he really is his son so he would have been saying "Hey, don't insult my brother!"

again...I don't think it's him...we've been begging for Ben's return for so long and Marvel has done nothing but tease us with potential returns like the flaming hoodie teaser from the Spider Island promos or with Kraven in Scarlet Spider more recently but if it is him then it's not really all that much of a stretch to get him to this point

Man. The amount of hope that post just gave me. And after all the hope I've managed to block out in recent time that Ben will come back lmao. But assuming it IS Ben…that could lead into a whole world of possibilities.

1) Ben is back. Is he good after this?

2) Ben is back. Is he evil now?

3) Ben is back. BEN IS BACK. Peter is returning…Doc is going to need a body...

4) Ben is back … and he dies after this. Actual death. Bleh.

Okay so right now I can only think of 4 possibilities but the point still stands.

also

5) just where is Norman?

Ben kidnapped him and has been keeping him captive, slowly taking DNA samples and grafting them into his own body so he becomes…THE SUPERIOR GREEN GOBLIN KING!

I don't know, it's probably Norman......

yeah I really don't think it's anyone other than Norman...but I still can't shake the feeling that it isn't

#15 Edited by ArturoCalaKayVee (11309 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself: Slott has been supposedly building this Norman Osborn return arc for years, like he has the Superior DocOck story, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was Norman - making a return to prove he is the true superior rival to Peter and not Doc - but at the same time I'd be so much happier if it wasn't Norman. I guess it not being Norman would make me happier because it's that unpredictability and shock value in it all. I want comics to make me say "WTF" and they barely do anymore.

#16 Edited by danhimself (22444 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself: Slott has been supposedly building this Norman Osborn return arc for years, like he has the Superior DocOck story, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was Norman - making a return to prove he is the true superior rival to Peter and not Doc - but at the same time I'd be so much happier if it wasn't Norman.

if SpOck was going to have a major face-off against any of Peter's villains then it couldn't be anyone other than Norman...I also think it would be pretty cool to have Norman play some sort of role in Peter's return

#17 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11309 posts) - - Show Bio

@arturocalakayvee said:

@danhimself: Slott has been supposedly building this Norman Osborn return arc for years, like he has the Superior DocOck story, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was Norman - making a return to prove he is the true superior rival to Peter and not Doc - but at the same time I'd be so much happier if it wasn't Norman.

if SpOck was going to have a major face-off against any of Peter's villains then it couldn't be anyone other than Norman...I also think it would be pretty cool to have Norman play some sort of role in Peter's return

What if it is Norman and his entire plan isn't to actually take over or destroy the city, but to actually bring Peter back? He figured out Spider-Man couldn't have been Peter and it drove him -more- insane. Norman Osborn can't exist without Peter Parker. Obsession. So the Goblin army is merely a distraction while Norman and SpOck duke it out until somehow Norman manages to revive Peter (and either killing Ock or placing his mind elsewhere). It kind of reminds me of the pre-52 Batman and Robin when Joker realizes that Batman is no longer Batman so he leaves to London, or wherever, and becomes something of a good guy because Joker can't exist without the true Batman. At least, I think that's what happened…I gotta reread.

#18 Posted by danhimself (22444 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

@arturocalakayvee said:

@danhimself: Slott has been supposedly building this Norman Osborn return arc for years, like he has the Superior DocOck story, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was Norman - making a return to prove he is the true superior rival to Peter and not Doc - but at the same time I'd be so much happier if it wasn't Norman.

if SpOck was going to have a major face-off against any of Peter's villains then it couldn't be anyone other than Norman...I also think it would be pretty cool to have Norman play some sort of role in Peter's return

What if it is Norman and his entire plan isn't to actually take over or destroy the city, but to actually bring Peter back? He figured out Spider-Man couldn't have been Peter and it drove him -more- insane. Norman Osborn can't exist without Peter Parker. Obsession. So the Goblin army is merely a distraction while Norman and SpOck duke it out until somehow Norman manages to revive Peter (and either killing Ock or placing his mind elsewhere). It kind of reminds me of the pre-52 Batman and Robin when Joker realizes that Batman is no longer Batman so he leaves to London, or wherever, and becomes something of a good guy because Joker can't exist without the true Batman. At least, I think that's what happened…I gotta reread.

that makes a ton of sense actually

#19 Posted by TheLaughingFish (30 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with the chaos theory of this Green Goblin being Ben Reilly. I actually hope that's the case so we could have a Spider-army with Peter, Ben, Kaine, and Miguel. Throw in flash-venom and you've got a solid team of people who would constantly be making fun of one another hahaha :D

#20 Posted by leokearon (1781 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone got a pic of the Goblin's scar?

#21 Posted by 8008S (444 posts) - - Show Bio

The scar was a red herring. A couple pages earlier the Hobgoblin throws a pumpkin bomb that lands right on GG's chest. What we saw was simply the resulting wound healing itself. At least that's my hunch.

#22 Edited by Mezmero (917 posts) - - Show Bio

Still one of my favorite Marvel ongoings. The change in art was a bit jarring but I enjoyed it nonetheless. It's been clear for a long time that Norman Osborn is the Goblin King. I think Slott just hammered it home in this issue as a way to poke fun at people who thought he was going to make a lame Shyamalan style twist. If he does pull a switcharoo at this point I really will chalk it up as bad writing even though I've enjoyed his writing up to now.

If Batman 24 showed me anything it's that I'm going to be extremely disappointed if it's not Norman under the mask. No one else should be able to match this level of cunning and organization. Not removing his mask shouldn't even matter since the Goblin personality is when he's at his most dangerous and that part of his psyche has been lying in wait for a long time. This should be a battle between two of Spidey's biggest bads and it just wouldn't feel right without Norman in the finals. So excited to see what happens next.

#23 Edited by draco_01 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

@arturocalakayvee:

Or much as I don't want this character to ever show up again in any form: it's possibly could be Gabriel Stacey, the other son that we all want to pretend doesn't exist. Another theory is that there are two Green Goblins, one being Norman himself and the other possibly Harry or Gabe like I theorize.

#24 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (5108 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice.

#25 Edited by Rainja (325 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself: I really hope it ain't. Ben....That would suck. Reason being, I get the whole he could have been abducted and replaced or w/e but what would bother me from a plot point of view is that during the whole of Dark reign Norman had a clone of Peter and by looking at him he never once remembered Peter Parker was Spider-Man? Or when he was looking for his own avengers team he couldn't use this brainwashed clone and dress him up and add him into his "Dark Avengers"?...... Just saying.

#26 Posted by danhimself (22444 posts) - - Show Bio

@rainja said:

@danhimself: I really hope it ain't. Ben....That would suck. Reason being, I get the whole he could have been abducted and replaced or w/e but what would bother me from a plot point of view is that during the whole of Dark reign Norman had a clone of Peter and by looking at him he never once remembered Peter Parker was Spider-Man? Or when he was looking for his own avengers team he couldn't use this brainwashed clone and dress him up and add him into his "Dark Avengers"?...... Just saying.

good point....maybe he's in a room somewhere and Norman was just really busy at the time and forgot that he existed?

#27 Posted by greenlucario (213 posts) - - Show Bio

Great issue, love how well Slott understands Kingsley. I can't think of a cooler way to have it go down and it really legitimizes Kingsley as a threat and wild card. Obviously the Goblin King was going to win but hey Kingsley's still here, still scheming and who knows what that'll mean. I have to agree that while I think it's Norman under the mask, I'm not totally sure, it almost seems too easy. I want it to be him, because he is Peter's greatest foe, but I wouldn't put it past Slott to do something unexpected.

#28 Posted by Teerack (5730 posts) - - Show Bio

The incorporation of Spider-Man 33 actually gave me goose bumps. Amazing issue.

Truly outrageous.

#29 Posted by MeMyselfandI100 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Has everyone forgot about that little gold octo-bot that was used by Otto to swap minds with Peter? It never was destroyed! Norman disappeared during the same time that Peter was still alive. And I may be easily be contradicted but, it is possible for Peter to have had a back up plan contrary to simply switching minds back with Otto. Peter has bad luck but knows his enemies. He might have some how switched minds with Norman. Also, Doc Ock's body isn't in its grave. Someone had to either had known about the switch beyond Carly or someone is attempting to revive Ock. I have almost no doubt the the Goblin King is Norman but the question to ask is is it truly Norman??? I think that Peter's return will be sudden and shocking! It would have to happen at a time that Otto isn't expecting, and Otto expects allot even when you don't expect it such as when in #15 when Smythe almost pulled the same trick Otto did but he expected and predicted it! More than likely it will be done against Otto's will and it will be swift unless the Goblin King "learns that Otto is now Peter Parker" . My only fear about Peter's return is that it might be his memories that become Peter again. Not only is it not truly the same Peter but his memories are almost nothing!

#30 Posted by mickeymayhew (207 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't stand up and cheer last issue when Peter returned; I thought, Great, back to same old, same old, after 26 issues of genuinely original storytelling