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#101 Posted by Lapsus (26 posts) - - Show Bio

please god, not another Clone Saga moment.

i still want to believe that Parker isn´t dead, he is just thinking that he is otto or some shit like that.

Because we all know that Marvel can´t kill forever Peter Parker, i hope that this saga is just more than "we kill peter parker for real just to comeback in a year"

The only thing worse that killing characters in stupid ways is bring them back with deux ex machina.

#102 Posted by Lvenger (19984 posts) - - Show Bio

@vance_astro: I dumped the book at 6AU. I don't waste my money reading something I don't like.

#103 Posted by TDK_1997 (14896 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

I really hate what has Slott done to both characters that are Peter and Otto and there is a possible way for me to dump the book if Slott really gets rid off Peter.I will really hate it and I will just never read a book from him again.

Slott CAN'T get rid of Peter. Marvel wouldn't even ill of Cap, you think there are going to leave their most popular character ever dead? Especially with a new movie coming soon?

I expect everything from Marvel.I really don't think that he will really get rid of Peter but everything he has done since ASM #700 was atrocious.I can't stand a thing he has done and I really hope that he leaves Pete alone.

#104 Posted by Vance Astro (91235 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

I don't waste my money reading something I don't like.

That's why I don't buy comics I think won't be any good, I just read them in the comic shop.

@tdk_1997 said:

I expect everything from Marvel.I really don't think that he will really get rid of Peter but everything he has done since ASM #700 was atrocious.I can't stand a thing he has done and I really hope that he leaves Pete alone.

I think he would have to choose on his own to stop writing Spider-Man. This is the same issue I had with Bendis. I couldn't stand Bendis about 2-3 years ago because of what he was doing with the Avengers. Hickman is doing it now but Bendis still has his hand in Age of Ultron. Superior Spider-Man is selling to well for Marvel to take Slott off of it or change direction. He'll be writing Spidey for a while.

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#105 Edited by Lvenger (19984 posts) - - Show Bio

@vance_astro: It would be fruitless to annoy yourself by reading something you're not enjoying. Comic books are supposed to be an enjoyable art medium and I only spend money on the ones I enjoy.

#106 Edited by Vance Astro (91235 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@vance_astro: It would be fruitless to annoy yourself by reading something you're not enjoying. Comic books are supposed to be an enjoyable art medium and I only spend money on the ones I enjoy.

Not if the person writing the book has access to ALL of your favorite characters.

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#107 Posted by Skyfire (752 posts) - - Show Bio

I think people need to chill out and NOT wish death on someone for writing a story they don't like.

#108 Edited by TDK_1997 (14896 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

I expect everything from Marvel.I really don't think that he will really get rid of Peter but everything he has done since ASM #700 was atrocious.I can't stand a thing he has done and I really hope that he leaves Pete alone.

I think he would have to choose on his own to stop writing Spider-Man. This is the same issue I had with Bendis. I couldn't stand Bendis about 2-3 years ago because of what he was doing with the Avengers. Hickman is doing it now but Bendis still has his hand in Age of Ultron. Superior Spider-Man is selling to well for Marvel to take Slott off of it or change direction. He'll be writing Spidey for a while.

I know that Slott won't be off SPidey until he finishes his run on SUperior Spider-Man but he should understand that most people don't like the turn of things and the take on the characters.Since the start of his run he hasn't made a good story,the only good story for me he made is Nobody Dies and it was a two-issue story that didn't have the usual Spider-Man villains as you expect.He had some decent stories back in his Mighty Avengers run but his Spider-Man just doesn't work most of the times.

#109 Posted by Vance Astro (91235 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

I know that Slott won't be off SPidey until he finishes his run on SUperior Spider-Man but he should understand that most people don't like the turn of things and the take on the characters.Since the start of his run he hasn't made a

good story,the only good story for me he made is Nobody Dies and it was a two-issue story that didn't have the usual Spider-Man villains as you expect.He had some decent stories back in his Mighty Avengers run but his Spider-Man just doesn't work most of the times.

Dan Slott is a good write though. You may not like what he's doing with Spidey I personally believe that Dan Slott is the best writer that Marvel has. No other writer has changed my mind on certain characters and concepts are effectively.

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#110 Posted by TDK_1997 (14896 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

I know that Slott won't be off SPidey until he finishes his run on SUperior Spider-Man but he should understand that most people don't like the turn of things and the take on the characters.Since the start of his run he hasn't made a

good story,the only good story for me he made is Nobody Dies and it was a two-issue story that didn't have the usual Spider-Man villains as you expect.He had some decent stories back in his Mighty Avengers run but his Spider-Man just doesn't work most of the times.

Dan Slott is a good write though. You may not like what he's doing with Spidey I personally believe that Dan Slott is the best writer that Marvel has. No other writer has changed my mind on certain characters and concepts are effectively.

Dan Slott was good before he stepped in Spider-Man.He had some decent stories and he can write other characters but not Peter Parker that well.For me the best writer Marvel currently have is Jonathan Hickman.Even though his Avengers sucks,his run on Fantastic Four was really good and the New Avengers is average.

#111 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

Heh, loving the outrage. Obviously, I haven't the chance to read this as it isn't out yet but I'm still picking it up regardless because I know that Slott has this all planned out.

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#112 Posted by Vance Astro (91235 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

Dan Slott was good before he stepped in Spider-Man.He had some decent stories and he can write other characters but not Peter Parker that well.For me the best writer Marvel currently have is Jonathan Hickman.Even though his Avengers sucks,his run on Fantastic Four was really good and the New Avengers is average.

Yea, Hickman is really good with team books.

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#113 Posted by JonSmith (3996 posts) - - Show Bio

Having just read the issue...

Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm considering avoiding ComicVine for the next week or so, wait for the fallout to blow over.

#114 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13175 posts) - - Show Bio

@ninjablade09 said:

@innervenom123 said:

I read a leaked copy. The rage will be glorious.

Well that sucks.

Two facts about the issue that are not spoilers.

1: Otto Octavius is now Peter's greatest enemy. F**k Norman.

2: The rage will be glorious.

tell me. tell me now.

#115 Edited by Avenging-X-Bolt (13175 posts) - - Show Bio

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#116 Posted by Batmandemon23 (138 posts) - - Show Bio
#117 Edited by craymond (21 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone seems to be talking about what happened. But, what actually happened???

#118 Posted by gotwillpower (679 posts) - - Show Bio

Superior Spider-man #9 Spoilers

Ock and Spidey battle for control over Peter's body. Ock convinces Peter that he isn't worthy of being Spider-man because he almost stopped Doc Ock from operating on the girl in last issue (because operating on her would give Ock access to the scanner that let Ock find Peter). Then Dock erases Peter Parker from his brain.

Every time I try to get back into this series, I decide not to again.

#119 Posted by TDK_1997 (14896 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

Dan Slott was good before he stepped in Spider-Man.He had some decent stories and he can write other characters but not Peter Parker that well.For me the best writer Marvel currently have is Jonathan Hickman.Even though his Avengers sucks,his run on Fantastic Four was really good and the New Avengers is average.

Yea, Hickman is really good with team books.

Ys,he is.His Avengers is weak but nobody is complaining so much about it while if you look in this thread almost every post is about Slott being the guy that ruined Spider-Man.

#120 Posted by Ninjablade09 (3166 posts) - - Show Bio

Superior Spider-man #9 Spoilers

Ock and Spidey battle for control over Peter's body. Ock convinces Peter that he isn't worthy of being Spider-man because he almost stopped Doc Ock from operating on the girl in last issue (because operating on her would give Ock access to the scanner that let Ock find Peter). Then Dock erases Peter Parker from his brain.

Every time I try to get back into this series, I decide not to again.

Not worthy!?!?!?!? That's the dumbest thing ever. It's not like Pete was the first Spider-man or anything.

#121 Posted by Lvenger (19984 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@vance_astro: It would be fruitless to annoy yourself by reading something you're not enjoying. Comic books are supposed to be an enjoyable art medium and I only spend money on the ones I enjoy.

Not if the person writing the book has access to ALL of your favorite characters.

Luckily that has never happened yet :P

#122 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith said:

Having just read the issue...

Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm considering avoiding ComicVine for the next week or so, wait for the fallout to blow over.

I have just dropped all my spider-man related titles. after Avenging finishes at 22 i won't be picking up anymore spider-man titles. I am happy with Kaine, at least Yost knows what he is doing.

#123 Posted by consolemaster001 (5599 posts) - - Show Bio

GOD DAMN IT SLOTT, I TAKE A QUICK BREAK FROM SPIDEY AND THIS IS WHAT YOU DO ?

AHHH F***

#124 Posted by frogdog (3248 posts) - - Show Bio
@craymond said:

Everyone seems to be talking about what happened. But, what actually happened???

Superior Spider-man #9 Spoilers

Ock and Spidey battle for control over Peter's body. Ock convinces Peter that he isn't worthy of being Spider-man because he almost stopped Doc Ock from operating on the girl in last issue (because operating on her would give Ock access to the scanner that let Ock find Peter). Then Dock erases Peter Parker from his brain.

Every time I try to get back into this series, I decide not to again.

#125 Posted by Vance Astro (91235 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

Ys,he is.His Avengers is weak but nobody is complaining so much about it while if you look in this thread almost every post is about Slott being the guy that ruined Spider-Man.

I actually love his Avengers but I guess however you feel about it Hickman isn't RUINING the team. That's what people think about Superior Spider-Man. People did the same thing on CV with One More Day, but OMD never killed ASM..people kept buying it.

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#126 Posted by gotwillpower (679 posts) - - Show Bio

@gotwillpower said:

Superior Spider-man #9 Spoilers

Ock and Spidey battle for control over Peter's body. Ock convinces Peter that he isn't worthy of being Spider-man because he almost stopped Doc Ock from operating on the girl in last issue (because operating on her would give Ock access to the scanner that let Ock find Peter). Then Dock erases Peter Parker from his brain.

Every time I try to get back into this series, I decide not to again.

Not worthy!?!?!?!? That's the dumbest thing ever. It's not like Pete was the first Spider-man or anything.

I know, right? I mean, I get that he did something unresponsible for half a second, but Doc Ock has killed people!

#127 Posted by akbogert (3222 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@vance_astro: It would be fruitless to annoy yourself by reading something you're not enjoying. Comic books are supposed to be an enjoyable art medium and I only spend money on the ones I enjoy.

Not if the person writing the book has access to ALL of your favorite characters.

Welcome to me and Avengers Arena. There are situations in which the "if you don't like it, just don't read it" argument doesn't apply to the outcry.

I'm glad for this thread...whenever I start thinking maybe Marvel isn't as bad as I think, that they don't usually ruin characters and tell terrible stories and run their company on the fuel of shock value, all I need to do is see what they've done to their most iconic character.

#128 Posted by Fuchsia_Nightingale (10180 posts) - - Show Bio

Nothing can be worse then Alpha

#129 Posted by gotwillpower (679 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Superior Spider-man is a bad story, it's just difficult for me to read. We all know it'll be fixed in the end, but if you're like me, it's just too painful to watch Peter lose and Ock mess his life up. It's an interesting take on Spidey, but as a new Spider-man reader, I would rather read about Peter Parker than Doc Ock.

#130 Posted by The Stegman (24428 posts) - - Show Bio

I stopped reading after issue 4. Is Peter still Obi Wan?

#131 Posted by gotwillpower (679 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: Spoilers from issue 9:

Obi Wan Peter wasn't a ghost, but rather a manifestation of Peter's memories still trapped inside Superior Spider-man. Doc erased those memories, and thus Obi Wan Peter.

#132 Edited by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith said:

Having just read the issue...

Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm considering avoiding ComicVine for the next week or so, wait for the fallout to blow over.

Are you nuts?! The fallout is the best part!

ALL THIS MAD!

#133 Posted by The Stegman (24428 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: Spoilers from issue 9:

Obi Wan Peter wasn't a ghost, but rather a manifestation of Peter's memories still trapped inside Superior Spider-man. Doc erased those memories, and thus Obi Wan Peter.

I know he was a manifestation not a ghost, I was just makin' a "ha ha'' cause it reminded me of Obin Wan, but man, what a way to go, that saddens me :(

#134 Posted by akbogert (3222 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: Spoilers from issue 9:

Obi Wan Peter wasn't a ghost, but rather a manifestation of Peter's memories still trapped inside Superior Spider-man. Doc erased those memories, and thus Obi Wan Peter.

Marvel seems to have a real knack these days for doing such terrible things to characters that them staying dead is preferable to them surviving.

#135 Posted by Vance Astro (91235 posts) - - Show Bio

@akbogert said:

Welcome to me and Avengers Arena. There are situations in which the "if you don't like it, just don't read it" argument doesn't apply to the outcry.

I'm glad for this thread...whenever I start thinking maybe Marvel isn't as bad as I think, that they don't usually ruin characters and tell terrible stories and run their company on the fuel of shock value, all I need to do is see what they've done to their most iconic character.

I don't think Marvel ruined Spider-Man or IS ruining Spider-Man, you probably couldn't tell by how people talk about Superior Spider-Man on CV but it's not that bad. Clone Saga didn't even ruin Spider-Man it was close but several years later Spider-Man is still outselling all other solo hero books published by Marvel. Despite any arc that people b_tched about ASM ran for 700 issues.

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#136 Posted by akbogert (3222 posts) - - Show Bio

@vance_astro: To be fair, I would have dumped Spider-Man after OMD had I been reading comics back then. I don't know what that's worth aside from giving you perspective on how I view comics and Parker in general. I've seen the scans from this issue now. You say Marvel hasn't and isn't ruining Spider-Man, and suffice to say, presented with the same facts, I've come to the opposite conclusion. But as it is indeed selling well and is thus not going to change anytime soon, I suppose if you're able to enjoy it, more power to you.

#137 Edited by ShadowSwordmaster (14512 posts) - - Show Bio

There is so much rage on this site right now

#138 Posted by Ninjablade09 (3166 posts) - - Show Bio

@

@ninjablade09 said:

@gotwillpower said:

Superior Spider-man #9 Spoilers

Ock and Spidey battle for control over Peter's body. Ock convinces Peter that he isn't worthy of being Spider-man because he almost stopped Doc Ock from operating on the girl in last issue (because operating on her would give Ock access to the scanner that let Ock find Peter). Then Dock erases Peter Parker from his brain.

Every time I try to get back into this series, I decide not to again.

Not worthy!?!?!?!? That's the dumbest thing ever. It's not like Pete was the first Spider-man or anything.

I know, right? I mean, I get that he did something unresponsible for half a second, but Doc Ock has killed people!

I seriously hope Miguel kicks his butt.

#139 Posted by camstevens80 (167 posts) - - Show Bio

@gotwillpower What's bad writing is that Slott had to create Peter being irresponsible for it to happen. The only reason Peter was irresponsible was because Slott wanted Ock to take over and to justify it he made Peter irresponsible 1 issue earlier just so he could point back and say, "See, Peter isn't so great."

He's a terrible writer.

#140 Posted by akbogert (3222 posts) - - Show Bio

@gotwillpower What's bad writing is that Slott had to create Peter being irresponsible for it to happen. The only reason Peter was irresponsible was because Slott wanted Ock to take over and to justify it he made Peter irresponsible 1 issue earlier just so he could point back and say, "See, Peter isn't so great."

He's a terrible writer.

I don't think I'd go so far as to call him terrible, but when he has not demonstrated anywhere in this series his ability to write either the Peter or the MJ that used to exist and that people liked, he clearly isn't a good Spider-Man writer. The notion that people's reason for saying he's a good writer is that he made them prefer Otto to Pete kind of underscores that point.

#141 Posted by gotwillpower (679 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonsmith said:

Having just read the issue...

Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm considering avoiding ComicVine for the next week or so, wait for the fallout to blow over.

I have just dropped all my spider-man related titles. after Avenging finishes at 22 i won't be picking up anymore spider-man titles. I am happy with Kaine, at least Yost knows what he is doing.

Same, Scarlet Spider has been great!

#142 Posted by camstevens80 (167 posts) - - Show Bio

@akbogert: Good point. He definitely doesn't know how to write Peter well. Also, I guess whether he's good or not is subjective. He has not caused me to enjoy the storyline or Ock and has turned me off completely from Spider-man so I don't think he's very good but for those who like the story will like him as a writer.

#143 Posted by akbogert (3222 posts) - - Show Bio

@akbogert: Good point. He definitely doesn't know how to write Peter well. Also, I guess whether he's good or not is subjective. He has not caused me to enjoy the storyline or Ock and has turned me off completely from Spider-man so I don't think he's very good but for those who like the story will like him as a writer.

This was a distinction that I tried to make when discussing Dennis Hopeless and the way he was handling some characters in Avengers Arena. Basically, being a decent writer of dialogue and plot is not what I'm disputing. He's a good writer. But part of being a good professional comics writer is respecting the history of the characters you are entrusted with, and I would argue that, at least in this series, he has failed to do so. No matter how enjoyable a story is, if it does not faithfully use the characters, it is not "good writing" in an objective sense, because part of the quality sought is consistency with who the character has been becoming over the years.

#144 Posted by TheBrownPowerRanger (95 posts) - - Show Bio

How many "bad ass" spider-men do they need. They have scarlet spider and venom and now this superior bull$hit. I prefered spider-man because he was funny and made jokes and was pure awsome. And now he's serious,acts like the punisher and talks like a freak.

R.I.P Peter Parker. See you when the movie comes out after SpOck has completely ruined my all time favorite character.

#145 Edited by HushoftheWind (995 posts) - - Show Bio

Thank goodness for Kaine or else i would be Spiderless

#146 Edited by consolemaster001 (5599 posts) - - Show Bio

eh.

#147 Posted by TDK_1997 (14896 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

Ys,he is.His Avengers is weak but nobody is complaining so much about it while if you look in this thread almost every post is about Slott being the guy that ruined Spider-Man.

I actually love his Avengers but I guess however you feel about it Hickman isn't RUINING the team. That's what people think about Superior Spider-Man. People did the same thing on CV with One More Day, but OMD never killed ASM..people kept buying it.

For me actually OMD wasn't that bad.It did ruin a history kinda but it just wasn't that bad as the current state of the character.Slott created Alpha,most of the cool villains have been frozen and he kept using only Doc Ock,so he can bring this story to us.

#148 Posted by Vance Astro (91235 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

For me actually OMD wasn't that bad.It did ruin a history kinda but it just wasn't that bad as the current state of the character.Slott created Alpha,most of the cool villains have been frozen and he kept using only Doc Ock,so he can bring this story to us.

I hated OMD but that retcon needed to happen, one way or another. Most arcs that followed it were really good.

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#149 Posted by TDK_1997 (14896 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

For me actually OMD wasn't that bad.It did ruin a history kinda but it just wasn't that bad as the current state of the character.Slott created Alpha,most of the cool villains have been frozen and he kept using only Doc Ock,so he can bring this story to us.

I hated OMD but that retcon needed to happen, one way or another. Most arcs that followed it were really good.

I mean for such a big and bold decision to be made for the character and such a story was crucial and it had to happen one way or another.And that's why I didn't hate it that much as all other Spider-Man fans.

#150 Posted by gotwillpower (679 posts) - - Show Bio

@tdk_1997 said:

@vance_astro said:

@tdk_1997 said:

For me actually OMD wasn't that bad.It did ruin a history kinda but it just wasn't that bad as the current state of the character.Slott created Alpha,most of the cool villains have been frozen and he kept using only Doc Ock,so he can bring this story to us.

I hated OMD but that retcon needed to happen, one way or another. Most arcs that followed it were really good.

I mean for such a big and bold decision to be made for the character and such a story was crucial and it had to happen one way or another.And that's why I didn't hate it that much as all other Spider-Man fans.

I hope OMD hasn't doomed Peter's relationships forever though. I mean, will he ever have a long-term girlfriend, or even a wife? It seems like Dan Slott has been postponing any major developments, in fear of being put in the position to write a new Peter/MJ romance. There's been several moments between the two since Dan Slott started writing, but after MJ realizes Doc Ock has been in Peter's body (once Peter has returned) I'm sure she'll stay away from him for a while.