#1 Posted by Blackdog2009 (1874 posts) - - Show Bio

Do you think the rest of the Marvel superheroes have been dumbed down to not find out that Peter Parker is basically possessed? I know the Marvel heroes lack a detective like Batman or even a telepath like Martian Manhunter. I find it a guilty pleasure to see Doc Oct succeed in his ruse as Spider-Man. But how long will it go on? And yes I know it has been addressed that the Avengers suspected for a while, but they quickly (and conveniently) gave up on it? So pretty much this makes all the Marvel heroes kind of inept. SHIELD, The Avengers, the FF, the Punisher, Daredevil, the XMen, Wolverine and even many of the villains. Your thoughts?

#2 Posted by joshmightbe (25051 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackdog2009: Real Nick Fury would've figured this s**t out in an hour.

#3 Posted by Blackdog2009 (1874 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: True. Also Mr. Fantastic ... I'm not sure if he's even come across doc oct Spidey.

#4 Posted by w0nd (3923 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe: True. Also Mr. Fantastic ... I'm not sure if he's even come across doc oct Spidey.

he has not he is off traveling other universes. And by the time they get back in age of ultron it seems there were more important things to worry about.

#5 Posted by MASTER_OF_SUPRISE (722 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes they have been dumbed down.

#6 Posted by muhabba (301 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh yeah. Completly dumbed down. I can't even read a comic that he's guest starring in because I can't get past the fact that nobodies pointing at Spidy & shouting, "Why does he have claws, a different costume, no sense of humour, a disregard of everyhing we ever knew about him & a complete loss of wit?".

#7 Posted by Blackdog2009 (1874 posts) - - Show Bio

It's messed up... Marvel heroes so easily fooled with a super villain as a member basically

#8 Edited by frozenedge (1331 posts) - - Show Bio

They probably just think he's trying to reinvent himself. Hell, Carol did it by becoming Captain Marvel and a few other heroes have done it. And other heroes usually have more things to worry about than Peter's personality change that seems to have made him a better hero than he was before

#9 Posted by Blackdog2009 (1874 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Posted by PunyParker (12263 posts) - - Show Bio

Reed,Tony,Fury,Cap,Widow,.......Aunt May,Mary Jane,Carlie,Horizon stuff............

ALL of them have the minimun intelligence to figure this out in a 15 min. meeting with SpOck.It's not happening to help the story progress.

It's Peter we're talking about....if MJ or his practically "mother" cant figure this out,when something so obvious has changed with her ex-husband&loveofherlife/nephew....then what to discuss about?....

#11 Posted by spider11211 (1141 posts) - - Show Bio

What ...Peter is not Spider-man!

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#12 Edited by ArturoCalaKayVee (12275 posts) - - Show Bio

This is definitely the reason why Marvel has been eliminating Nick Fury over the past few years and replacing him with his "son/counter part." Nick would have figured this out within the hour just like @joshmightbe said!

#13 Posted by joshmightbe (25051 posts) - - Show Bio

@arturocalakayvee: Don't even get me started on Fury Jr. I have no problem with him being black its the fact that we're just supposed to accept that he's awesome based on who his dad is. At least the Ultimate and animated versions of Samuel L. Fury give you the impression that they earned their places but not Jr.

#14 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

There's been like 50 different Spider-mans and everyone else is busy with the world ending all the time in Hickman's Avengers or being lost in space like the FF.

#15 Edited by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (6313 posts) - - Show Bio

They must be crappy friends and family to not figure this out yet.

#16 Posted by Hazlenaut (1960 posts) - - Show Bio

Doc Oct made sure to have all of Peter’s memories for any predicaments. Spiderman is known to be chaotic so it is difficult to figure him out. Peter known to be avoiding people a lot which makes have difficult to know him. His identity has been erased due to magic from One More Day and One Moment in Time. Peter has been out of character before a few times. Spiderman kind of made it easy for identity theft other then the super powers which Spidey-Oct has.

#17 Posted by MASTER_OF_SUPRISE (722 posts) - - Show Bio

Doc Oct made sure to have all of Peter’s memories for any predicaments. Spiderman is known to be chaotic so it is difficult to figure him out. Peter known to be avoiding people a lot which makes have difficult to know him. His identity has been erased due to magic from One More Day and One Moment in Time. Peter has been out of character before a few times. Spiderman kind of made it easy for identity theft other then the super powers which Spidey-Oct has.

Let me make some counter arguments. 1. Otto has essentially erased those memories and this was said by the writer himself so that's out. 2. Kaine is a Clone so he has Peter's memories and should know what the guy is like.

#18 Posted by GraniteSoldier (8607 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess dumbed down is the right term. Fury, Widow, Cap, MJ, Aunt May all should have figured that something is at least clearly very, very wrong. At least. I'd say its just short of insulting their characters really. Even his recent run in with Kaine. Kaine has never "idolized" Peter, but he has always (since making his turn around at least) respected Peter's morality and righteousness. He noticed something was wrong, but why would Peter who suggested his new lease on life start calling him a "disgusting, failed clone"?

I just accept all of it as PiS for Superior to work, otherwise it would have been handled in 5 or 6 issues.

I wonder how dumbed down Flash Thompson will be when they collide.

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