@anjales said:
@jimishim12: What you're suggesting is even much much worse than OMD. You're basically saying that Marvel should remove all of Spidey's vast 50 year+ history all in an attempt to be more "fresh". At least, OMD wasn't really a full on reboot, as it did preserve 99% of Spidey's history, it just tweaked his relationship with MJ, and even that was met with horrible criticism. While they were no longer in the stories married, their relationship still took place.
99% of Spidey's history was not preserved though. The sliding time scale apparently claims everything started in 2001 (Peter was a guest on Johnny Carson once...and Carson had long retired by 2001 and was dead by 2005) and MJ evidently wasn't pregnant with Mayday in the new reality, so their relationship in the altered reality lacked the consistency and maturity of what had come before. It was not the same, because if it were, the pair would never have seperated after Civil War and would have ended up having the kid Mephisto claimed their relationship would have produced had it not been sacrificed
Fans can deny as much as they want to stay reasonably sane, but eventually you're going to have to admit continuity and consistency-of-character got royally short-changed by OMD and the criticisms were valid. Mephistoverse Peter and MJ, if kept in-character, would not be acting like they are now
Okay a few things. r
Firstly, almost every meaningful encounter Spidey has ever had in his 50+ existence has been referenced, whether it is the encounter in the elevator with the F4, the boy who collected Spider-Man, stopping Doc Ock from marrying Aunt May, fighting Kraven right after Peter and MJ got married/moved in together, Venom spooking MJ and causing her to be afraid of the Black Suit, among others..all these events have taken place and have been referenced. And while the current stories reference current events, so did stories in the 60's and 70's. In 2008, Spidey was around during President Obama's inauguration, but a few years from now, that'll be date. The appearance on Johnny Carson is simply another instance of something being common at the time, but is currently dated. Continuity does not move in one single scale, certain events simply fit with the time but without aging the character. Spidey will always be in his 20's, and referencing Johnny Carson would make him much older than that.
Also, the events you just listed only form a small fraction of Spidey's vast history, and if you truly think that those truly contribute to the character's overall development, then you are mistaken. As harsh as I may sound, let's not pretend that MJ's pregnancy contributed much to the Spidey mythos. It didn't. Let's go back to that time period for a bit. Marvel was trying to do what OMD did, get a single Spider-Man. But instead of a deal with Mephisto, Ben Reilly was brought back, Mj got pregnant, Peter decides to retire the SM mantle, and at one point he also lost his powers, and they moved out of New York, and Ben Reilly became Marvel's one and only Spider-Man. That is until Marvel decided to bring back Peter, so they killed Ben, they killed May (Peter and MJ's daughter) off panel in unceremonious fashion, and Pete was back as Spidey. And outside of the direct aftermath of that story, May was never mentioned again in the main continuity. So to say MJ's preganancy provided them with character deveopment is mistaken.
As for MJ and Peter giving up on their relationship, this was simply a poor written story where both acted out of character. It was PIS to serve the purpose of having Peter single again. The PIS sucks but it doesn't mean that because of that ill written story the entire continuity is now removed. The only thing that change is they exchanged "we're married" with "we're in a long term relationship". It's dumb but that's what happened. For example, Kraven's Last Hunt took place immediately after Peter and MJ got married in the story. Post-OMD, when Peter was referencing that story, Peter said something along the lines of "I fought Kraven right after MJ and I moved in together" instead of "right after we got married", but that's it. Everything else was kept in tact.
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