#1 Edited by BaBaBoom (267 posts) - - Show Bio

What Marvel lacks is a strong Asian male character that doesn't always rely on his math skills to fight crime (Amadeus Cho). That being said, I'm getting irritated of always seeing Asian characters always on the supportive role. Heck, even the mystical city of kung-fu, K'un-Lun, required a white guy to be it's champion (Iron Fist) which is starting to become a cliche, if it isn't a cliche yet.

So, he should have his own book.
#2 Posted by Teerack (7435 posts) - - Show Bio

I think him and the prince of orphans should just become a full time member of secret avengers. I'd also like to see the Human torch out of his comma and on that team.

#3 Posted by jsphsmth (1136 posts) - - Show Bio

@BaBaBoom: He was mentioned in the EW article as being one of the eighteen member of the Hickman's Avengers. It would be nice if Marvel's relaunch was about diversifying their line like DC did, but I doubt it. I would enjoy a nice street-level story involving Shang-Chi and/or other Marvel martial artists like Electra, Iron Fist, or The Monkey King.

#4 Posted by KainScion (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

@Teerack: isnt the prince of orphans bad now?

#5 Posted by Duke_Nasty (1017 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsphsmth: Yea but look what happened to DC's diverse line-up.

#6 Posted by Teerack (7435 posts) - - Show Bio

@Duke_Nasty said:

@jsphsmth: Yea but look what happened to DC's diverse line-up.

Eh, the defenders plot isn't over yet, so maybe?

#7 Posted by jsphsmth (1136 posts) - - Show Bio

@Duke_Nasty: It sold great and they are further diversifying the line. A success that Marvel is watching carefully as they are no longer the "House of Ideas."

#8 Posted by Duke_Nasty (1017 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsphsmth: Oh I thought you mean't "diversifying" as in ethnically like the OP mentioned.

#9 Posted by jsphsmth (1136 posts) - - Show Bio

@Duke_Nasty: I actually meant both. They now have a larger selection as far as genres go.

They did miss the boat when it came to ethnic diversity somewhat. Mister Terrific and Static Shock both failed due to poor writing, unfortunately.

#10 Edited by Duke_Nasty (1017 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsphsmth: Yea I hope Marvel gets some more dark books going.

Tired of all the Avengers and X-Men and I used to love X-Men.

People need to get fired over at Marvel.

#11 Posted by jsphsmth (1136 posts) - - Show Bio

@Duke_Nasty said:

@jsphsmth: Yea I hope Marvel gets some more dark books going.

Agreed. They have a nice collection of supernatural characters. I would love to see them actually publish a comic containing some.

#12 Posted by Brazen_Intellect (1144 posts) - - Show Bio

He has nowhere near the fanbase to sustain a book, if you really want to see it successful he will have to be part of another book (Iron Fist?) and build from there. If Marvel gave him a title it would not make it to issue 6.

#13 Posted by Dakens son (422 posts) - - Show Bio

@BaBaBoom: Exactly!

There are some cool Asian characters in Marvel universe(heroes and villains alike) and they are always kept in the shadows for some others to be at the spotlight.

Shang-Chi is one of my favourite heroes out there and to imagine he trained some of the big names(Iron fist,wolverine,Daredevil etc) he has to own his own title and arc one day!

Heeeeeey Joe Quesada,Axel Alonso enough with the Avengers,X-men,Iron man,Captain America and other higly profitable titles!

#14 Posted by Kid_Omega_Prime (1278 posts) - - Show Bio

@BaBaBoom said:

What Marvel lacks is a strong Asian male character that doesn't always rely on his math skills to fight crime (Amadeus Cho). That being said, I'm getting irritated of always seeing Asian characters always on the supportive role. Heck, even the mystical city of kung-fu, K'un-Lun, required a white guy to be it's champion (Iron Fist) which is starting to become a cliche, if it isn't a cliche yet.

So, he should have his own book.

Ummm... He dose have his own book... Master of Kung Fu.

#15 Posted by BaBaBoom (267 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kid_Omega_Prime: OMG!! I totally did not know that before starting this topic, not. (Sorry for the sarcasm I can't help it.) That's way back in the 80s with the Bruce Lee and Karate Kid hype and I doubt I can find those and read it much less make it relevant. Anyway, I heard that the new creative team of another Avengers book in the Marvel NOW line-up is planning on using Shang Chi for a story or so. Not what I wanted but I'll take what I can get.

#16 Edited by Maverick74 (4 posts) - - Show Bio

MASTER OF KUNG FU was Marvel's most thoughtful, carefully plotted, and intelligently written series. Thank you, Doug Moench! Many of the splash pages resembled James Bond movie posters. The cinematic art of Paul Gulacy, Mike Zeck, and Gene Day brought stylized martial arts action alive in a way nobody had been able to before, or for that matter, since! The crackling and kinetic fight scenes were given additional depth with convincingly complete background environments. Let's not forget the sublimely rich ambiance and moody tone! Yup, all that combined to make MOKF possibly the greatest comic book series of the of the era.

I would love to see Shang Chi in his own monthly, once more! I'd even settle for a mini each year!

Unfortunately, comic sales are not presently thriving. (I hold everyone of you that download unofficial scans of new comics, rather than purchasing legitimate copies direct or at your local shop, personally and partially responsible!) Additionally, all us old fans and all you new ones just won't get our acts together. Soon as you find a way to increase the characters popularity, then for all of us to make enough noise to "force" Marvel to give it a shot, finally to get everybody to put their money where their mouth is and pony up the cash religiously each month/year, count me in!

Of course, if Ang Lee's Shang Chi movie that I keep hearing about (it was just announced again on a Chinese news service 2013-03-07) ever actually goes into production and gets released, then we might have a glimmer of hope!

For those of you who are interested and don't already know, there are torrent downloads available of the complete MOKF and DHOKF series' in .cbr format. I figure since there will be no reprint of the run in the foreseeable future, there's not much harm in snagging an unofficial digital version.

Chronological Appearances (by Publication)

http://marvel.wikia.com/Category:Shang-Chi_%28Earth-616%29/Appearances

Alternate Reality Versions

http://marvel.wikia.com/Shang-Chi

Master Of Kung Fu issue by issue review blog

http://essentialmasterofkungfu.tumblr.com/

#17 Posted by fodigg (6136 posts) - - Show Bio

Absolutely he should have his own book. Unfortunately, a lot of the ancillary properties, such as his original villain, are still owned by a 3rd party somehow. So they can't really reprint his old stuff and that somewhat impedes his new stuff. Also, the "asian kung fu guy" is kind of a stereotype, and no matter how original Shang-Chi is, people will always see him and think "Kato clone" since Bruce Lee made that character so iconic. Let's look at Marvel's male Asian characters though:

They mostly seem to fall into the "martial artist" category. Granted, a lot of superheroes do, but it's a little much. Sunfire and Jimmy Woo are good exceptions though. I especially like Woo because his Agents of Atlas incarnation was essentially a way to take the piss out of the "yellow menace" stereotype villains like Mandarin, specifically Yellow Claw who was retconned as playing to the stereotype on purpose to prompt a response from the Americans. I like Amadeus Cho too but that's mostly cause he was great in Incredible Hercules.

#18 Edited by fodigg (6136 posts) - - Show Bio

@bababoom said:

… even the mystical city of kung-fu, K'un-Lun, required a white guy to be it's champion (Iron Fist) which is starting to become a cliche, if it isn't a cliche yet.

The cliche of a white person who joins up with a different culture (or sub-culture) and almost immediately becomes the best at everything that culture is known for and then saves them all somehow is quite common; the TV Tropes site calls it "mighty whitey". It's especially popular in films:

  • Dances With Wolves
  • Last of the Mohicans
  • The Ghost in the Darkness
  • Last Samurai
  • Beverly Hills Ninja
  • Kill Bill
  • Kingdom of Heaven
  • Step Up
  • Hidalgo
  • Pathfinder
  • Avatar

The film District 9 does a good job of averting this, showing the white male lead literally becoming one of the oppressed minority and instead of becoming some sort of messiah figure, he's instead simply oppressed like the rest of them, only worse because he's labeled a traitor.

And of course, Heart of Darkness is about the typical setup except after becoming the leader of his personal African tribe, Kurtz goes insane.

In comics, other big-name mighty whiteys are: