Bald -I mean Bold- New Ideas

#1 Posted by Back (27 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

A friend of mine was kind enough to loan me several copies of Flashpoint a few weeks ago since I can't get a ride to the nearest comic store (which is halfway across town for me). And as a lover of comics I read them gleefully. I read issues such as; Citizen Cold, Batman: Knight of Vengeance, Abin Sur - Green Lantern, and the sort. As I eagerly skimmed the pages, I realized that we, the RPGers of Comicvine, could take inspiration at these comics.
 
ComicVine has been suffering from people losing creativity and inspiration for plots. To fix this, people attempt grand scale stories that fall short because it gets overwhelming way too quickly and it turns into a huge, senseless clutter, sending everyone into confusion because no one knows who should post next. Why don't we take a lesson from these comic books? Instead of having one huge, unsuccessful RPG after another, we could have one event but several different RPGs spawn from one main storyline. Just like the Flashpoint comics, you can fallow the main storyline as well as get a glimpse how someone else may handle the situation. 
 
For example; lets say that I want Patrick to run for President and it is the next big story on the Vine. I could do the main storyline where we go through the process and some heroes try to stop me while, lets say, a few of my villainous friends may do RPGs themselves where they try to 'persuade' the other candidates to drop out and some hero swoops in to foil their schemes. See, two birds with one stone. We get a large event going but we keep it clean and simple while other RPGs based on that one main event branch off into their own stories. Of course, communication will be key because an action in the main or side stories can impact the other in a big way but that is what the OOC thread is for. Would this be something we the RPGers of ComicVine would like to try out? Do you see any flaws in the idea or does it seem unnecessary? Well post comments, concerns, or questions down below and we'll try to sort it out. Compliments are encouraged to make me feel better and criticism is frowned upon because it makes me cry at night.

#2 Posted by Kaligar (1944 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

And why are people not replying to this?

#3 Posted by Mr. Mercury (18569 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

I talked with a few people about this and I've seen other people mention it. I think it's a great idea and it  RP's would go smoother, the universe would be organized and bring the viners together. The flaws that stick out are keeping up with people's post, but that's cured by getting rid of laziness. 

#4 Edited by Cassandra Adams (437 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

I've been asking for this forever! 
 
But people ignore me -______-

#5 Posted by .Mistress Redhead. (27022 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

Great idea but it rarely works, people are very attached to their worlds!

I do think the vine needs an injection of joy around the RPG section though.

#6 Posted by The_Mercenary (1395 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

Would be awwwwwwwwwesome. I can just imagine Mercenary's blade cutting a ruthless swathe through legions of unsuspecting heroes. The stuff of legend. ^_^
#7 Posted by Back (27 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

So far, everyone is saying that this is a step forward, even if there are a few problems. We should give this a go, to see how it fares on the Vine. For all we know, this could work with no problems or it can be chalk full of them. If someone has a board-wide plot that they want to begin or notices one occurring, pm me so I can help work things out. Bonus points if you compliment my bald head while you are at it.

#8 Posted by Grift3r (8280 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

I like this idea, good luck with it bossman.

#9 Edited by Icarusflies (11279 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

@Back: Hey man, I REALLY hate to burst your bubble but Slight and I have been planning a presidential election for MONTHS.

We've been working extremely hard on it, and I know that if it fell through I would actually cry. I haven't put so much prep time into anything for a long while, and it was supposed to be my jump back into major RPGing.

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#10 Posted by Morgaine_de_Bourbon (2075 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Icarusflies said:

@Back: Hey man, I REALLY hate to burst your bubble but Slight and I have been planning a presidential election for MONTHS.

We've been working extremely hard on it, and I know that if it fell through I would actually cry. I haven't put so much prep time into anything for a long while, and it was supposed to be my jump back into major RPGing.

He said it was an example ;) 
 
And I'm pretty sure that Arrow's currently President. 
#11 Posted by Icarusflies (11279 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

@Morgaine_de_Bourbon said:

@Icarusflies said:

@Back: Hey man, I REALLY hate to burst your bubble but Slight and I have been planning a presidential election for MONTHS.

We've been working extremely hard on it, and I know that if it fell through I would actually cry. I haven't put so much prep time into anything for a long while, and it was supposed to be my jump back into major RPGing.

He said it was an example ;) And I'm pretty sure that Arrow's currently President.

Arrow stepped down and said that our election RPG could go through.

Don't you think 'planning for months' included making sure of things like that?' xP

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#12 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

While I do like the idea and I've been trying to figure out why nobody tried it earlier, I don't think it would work here. You've got so many different people with so many different pasts and so many interactions, it would be difficult for ANYBODY to properly communicate. IF we were to try something like this... I'd say we retcon the majority of vine history and start anew so we can have an official set of events that happened. I would also like it if everybody interacted in these RPs instead of most RPs just taking place between "clicks". It makes it hard for people to join in when it's all about clicks.

#13 Posted by Back (27 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Eternal Chaos: Are you suggesting a reboot? It would definitely be interesting. We could have our own 52.
#14 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Back: Kind of. However, certain parts of each character's history would remain the same. I say it would work better for the purpose of including everybody to have a distinct universe. It seems to me like everything and everybody is just kind of scattered. We don't have anything in solid stone other than the fact that we are on earth. The main problem is that there is disagreement between what is cannon for certain characters and what isn't when it comes to certain RPs.
#15 Posted by Morgaine_de_Bourbon (2075 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Back said:
@Eternal Chaos: Are you suggesting a reboot? It would definitely be interesting. We could have our own 52.
I can tell you right now that that's not gonna work out. 
#16 Posted by Power_Plug (1251 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

now thats the kind of story that could turn me evil... I LIKE IT

#17 Posted by Icarusflies (11279 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

@Morgaine_de_Bourbon said:

@Back said:
@Eternal Chaos: Are you suggesting a reboot? It would definitely be interesting. We could have our own 52.
I can tell you right now that that's not gonna work out.

Normally I would agree, but…I think a reboot would actually be kinda good right now.

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#18 Posted by Morgaine_de_Bourbon (2075 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Icarusflies said:

@Morgaine_de_Bourbon said:

@Back said:
@Eternal Chaos: Are you suggesting a reboot? It would definitely be interesting. We could have our own 52.
I can tell you right now that that's not gonna work out.

Normally I would agree, but…I think a reboot would actually be kinda good right now.

Right, but to properly do it you'd need everybody on board. And that's not gonna happen.  
 
Closure has an RPG going on right now (not sure if you're aware or not) that can be used as a plot device to revamp your characters due to their mixing with alternate versions of themselves or something along those lines.  
 
I think that's the closest the Vine will come to a reboot, though.
#19 Posted by Icarusflies (11279 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

@Morgaine_de_Bourbon: My alternate versions are totally unhelpful in that they're alternate versions and I don't want them mixing with my characters. -_-

It's not that hard to get everyone on board, we just have to send PMs to everyone and there aren't really all that many RPGers anyway.

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#20 Posted by Morgaine_de_Bourbon (2075 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Icarusflies said:

@Morgaine_de_Bourbon: My alternate versions are totally unhelpful in that they're alternate versions and I don't want them mixing with my characters. -_-

It's not that hard to get everyone on board, we just have to send PMs to everyone and there aren't really all that many RPGers anyway.

Just saying that it's an option.  
 
There are a pretty good amount of RPGers out there. And everybody would have to be contacted and/or on board. And I can say right now that I'm not on board with it. 
#21 Posted by Power_Plug (1251 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

there was this really cool ultimate universe thing going on at some point but i guess we are all done with that >_<

#22 Posted by Morgaine_de_Bourbon (2075 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Power_Plug: That was about to get new life breathed into it before multi-pass and bugs f*cked it all up.
#23 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Icarusflies:@Morgaine_de_Bourbon
Almost nobody would be on board with it. I'd be on board with it because my characters are flexible enough and not massive parts of the RP scene.
 
I do however feel we can remedy these issues by breaking a lot of the "click" rps I was mentioning. That would serve a purpose and help get more members of the community involved in vine stuff as opposed to just their own little things.
#24 Posted by CaptainCockblock (3672 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

It would take some serious organization to do an event like this, but I'd be willing to lend a hand for something this AWESOME!

#25 Posted by Icarusflies (11279 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

@Eternal Chaos said:

@Icarusflies:@Morgaine_de_Bourbon: Almost nobody would be on board with it. I'd be on board with it because my characters are flexible enough and not massive parts of the RP scene. I do however feel we can remedy these issues by breaking a lot of the "click" rps I was mentioning. That would serve a purpose and help get more members of the community involved in vine stuff as opposed to just their own little things.

And I might just 'roll back' my characters' histories anyway. Wouldn't be very hard, and I could make it canon without any trouble.

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#26 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Icarusflies: Of course it wouldn't. Guinea Pigs never have these issues. Only maybe 5 people would have to be convinced before everybody did it anyway. Gambler, Arrow, Red, Sha and Nova. The rest will fall into place. Guaranteed.
#27 Posted by _Marco_Smith_ (1601 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

I'd be open to starting my character over with a blank slate. Knowing no one.

#28 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@_Marco_Smith_: I think we should all do it. If anything, we can make it so that we all came from separate universes and were somehow put together in one. If people want what happened in standard vine to remain with their characters that's fine but everything is new on the new vine.
#29 Posted by Mr. Mercury (18569 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Eternal Chaos said:
@_Marco_Smith_: I think we should all do it. If anything, we can make it so that we all came from separate universes and were somehow put together in one. If people want what happened in standard vine to remain with their characters that's fine but everything is new on the new vine.

I'm behind this idea 100%. But the Ultimate Universe was created because Viners didn't wanna do this in Prime. 
#30 Posted by Morgaine_de_Bourbon (2075 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Mr. Mercury said:
But the Ultimate Universe was created because Viners didn't wanna do this in Prime. 
Exactly.
#31 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Mr. Mercury: Ultimate Universe went to hell. Not only that, but it's kind of a pain making an Ultimate Everybody. I have two characters and making ultimates would require two more accounts, so that's four accounts right off the bat I'd have. Just putting all the different viners into a new slate would work better for us. We can rebuild and get it back to how it is easily. Hell, maybe even better.
#32 Posted by Mr. Mercury (18569 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

This thread isn't about rebooting the vine canon from what I read. Improving how we approach RPG's, yeah.

#33 Posted by Back (27 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Morgaine_de_Bourbon: Okay, we get it. You are against this idea and that is perfectly fine. We're not trying to change your views, we respect your wishes. We're just throwing the idea out there right now. But please, don't stand in the corner with your arms crossed nodding your head every time a flaw pops up. We're not shutting down your opinion just because we don't agree to it 100% and we ask the same thing.
 
@Eternal Chaos: I like we're this is going but the mesh of alternate universes is a bit much. We could just ask everyone to fix up their bio and say that we are tweaking some things to fit in with the Vine-verse better. After all, we don't need to outright forget certain achievements, just make things smoother. Like, I want Patrick Back to still be the same guy who just came back after disappearing for awhile but I would also like to take some adventures -mainly those that were never finished- and pretend they never happened. We should aim for something completely optional for people but those who side with it are given a second chance to fix up their characters and history.
#34 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Mr. Mercury
 
@Back said:
I would also like to take some adventures -mainly those that were never finished- and pretend they never happened. We should aim for something completely optional for people but those who side with it are given a second chance to fix up their characters and history.
Best way to say what I was trying to word but couldn't figure out.
#35 Posted by Morgaine_de_Bourbon (2075 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Back: I'm all for your original idea and breaking people out of their cliques.
#36 Posted by _Marco_Smith_ (1601 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

I'm pretty neutral to whatever everyone decides. Although, the chance to screw with DH is swinging me in the reboot direction.

#37 Edited by Mr. Mercury (18569 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

  You can go on adventures and reboot your character now, unless I'm missing the point.

  @Eternal Chaos said:  

@Mr. Mercury
 
@Back said:

I would also like to take some adventures -mainly those that were never finished- and pretend they never happened. We should aim for something completely optional for people but those who side with it are given a second chance to fix up their characters and history.

Best way to say what I was trying to word but couldn't figure out.
#38 Posted by Morgaine_de_Bourbon (2075 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@_Marco_Smith_ said:
I'm pretty neutral to whatever everyone decides. Although, the chance to screw with DH is swinging me in the reboot direction.
If it's an optional thing that doesn't require everybody to be on board, then by all means, have at it. I think it could go a good ways to revitalizing things and allowing people to build new and different ties. Getting out of cliques and the boxes we put ourselves in is a good thing.  
 
If it's something that isn't optional and is going to effect all Vine continuity, I'm not in support of it. 
#39 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Morgaine_de_Bourbon: The clicks idea was mine. Recognize my brilliance damn it. :P
#40 Posted by _Marco_Smith_ (1601 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Morgaine_de_Bourbon: I know. I was just being silly. I thought my last statement would enforce that, especially to you ;P
#41 Posted by Morgaine_de_Bourbon (2075 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@_Marco_Smith_: I'm aware. I just took this as the opportunity to explain my opinion on the matter.  
 
@Eternal Chaos: Yes and no. It's an issue that's been addressed before. 
#42 Posted by _Marco_Smith_ (1601 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Morgaine_de_Bourbon: You took advantage of me D:
#43 Posted by Morgaine_de_Bourbon (2075 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@_Marco_Smith_: Not in a sexual manner...
#44 Posted by _Marco_Smith_ (1601 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Morgaine_de_Bourbon: Just in case someone tries to take it out of context.
#45 Posted by Mr. Mercury (18569 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Eternal Chaos said:
@Morgaine_de_Bourbon: The clicks idea was mine. Recognize my brilliance damn it. :P
Ay buddy boy, I mentioned the clique thing before too, but the hell. :D 
 
Teams are just cliques. And when the leader of the teams gone the members don't know what to do. Hence the dry spell. COPs is in the air. HFC is on standby. What other teams are there? The heroes are extinct and the "villains" are everywhere. I think if people did their on thing in terms of character and story things would fall into place. But it's become a Power thing everybody wants to be the Top dog or Queen of a group or certain people - Consequence: the RPG drought!
#46 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Morgaine_de_Bourbon said:
@_Marco_Smith_: Not in a sexual manner...
You say that holding a big purple "tube" in your hand. I say "tube" because this a kid friendly site.
 
@Morgaine_de_Bourbon
@Morgaine_de_Bourbon said:

 
@Eternal Chaos: Yes and no. It's an issue that's been addressed before. 

As for that issue, I didn't know that. I don't talk to a lot of people.
#47 Posted by Eternal Chaos (22990 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Mr. Mercury: I didn't know that. 
 
That's what I'm saying. When that nonsense ends, everything else works smoothly. But my question to you, and DH who I am now hitting with a reply...
 
@Morgaine_de_Bourbon
 
How do you propose we break the cycle? I've made an attempt with my "Just Wingin' It OOC" and it got three people willing to take part. In addition to that, there are other little issues.
#48 Posted by Morgaine_de_Bourbon (2075 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Eternal Chaos: I'm honestly not sure. Part of the issue is that there are few canon RPGs anymore and that's a whole issue in and of itself. Part of it is that the stories don't interest anybody, part of it is that there's always somebody (although since Dreadnaught left, this hasn't happened much) that derails it for their own purpose. Part of it is that posts are so long, nobody really reads through them all, so important events end up getting ignored and people get disheartened and part of the issue is that when so many people participate and RPGs drag on so long (the second Light Wars, for instance, although to be fair that ended up getting put on hiatus while Eclipse went MIA and then just never got finished) that people completely lose interest. I think if those issues can be addressed and hopefully fixed, that would go a long way towards getting people all on the same page. Now how to do that, I'm not sure. Because Hawk had that Kicking It Old School RPG that's basically sole purpose was just a fun, short-post (like how they used to be RPG and it failed pretty quickly, unfortunately. Same goes for the RPG that you just brought up.
#49 Edited by Cassandra Adams (437 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio

What if we all did separate continuities...I think rpgs would be fun if we stopped worrying about what other people are doing

#50 Posted by Scalar (1116 posts) - 1 year, 9 months ago - Show Bio
@Cassandra Adams said:
What if we all did separate continuities...I think rpgs would be fun if we stopped worry about other people doing stuff
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