A Note To CVU: Revising The World

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Posted by 614azrael (9071 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

Dear CV comunity it has been brought to our attention that we are in a slump. Im not sure if this will be clear but im going to try and be of some use. To address what the issue may be and offer one rp that might allow a remedy. Because grumbling wont solve anything nore should a select group work to find a solution. Its long, so if your attention span is short maybe you should ignore me :P

I ask you the simplist of questions why? There are dozens of us, with hundreds possibly thousands of characters. So with infinite possibilites why have we seemingly slowed down? Why is it that we seem so resiliant to do things when we all clearly have some spark of creativity in us? And most importantly, most crucial of all what the Hell does it take to change this! And yes I exagerated that sentance as I feel it is a very important and critical question.

This place when I was first joining had no day old posts on first page, hell there rarely was any on the second page. Now there about eight threads below on the first page. Thats aweful, something has seriously seriously seemed to dampen the outlet of potential here. So I am going to try and figure out why this is. And I am going to try and offer an outlet to finally shape up to what we all want this place to be. So let me first address the alt U in proggress as this is the latest buzz.

I first want it made clear I am not against the idea I am actualy in favor of it. I want to see the vine take off again and this does seem to promote it atleast on some level. Im really excited for it, and excited for the work im going to put into Azra for it later tonight. My complaint is in the junction that its aimed to shake up the community but formulated by a select few. My issue with cliques made me wanting to hear more people were involved. Doors of creativity seamed closed off and that im always against as I feel it is of the utmost importance that people feel free to explore any idea or outlet one desires. That and Ult CV was a big hit, that went nowhere and died off. Im all up for the idea and what im seeing you all do is f_cking briliant. Im against closed doors however and more important this doesnt change cvu. We've all commited time, many years to this site. We all see its needing to be changed and yet none of us are in persuit of changing. Actually let me rephrase that, almost none of us are able to persue this change and fewer still seem to back it. So let me now move to the issues I see.

First off is Complacency. We just kind of nod are heads and stay in our little rroms doing our own things. How does this help any of us? If we don't try and pitch an idea or try and commit to other ideas how do we get further. If you can not offer your support to somebody or have faith in your own how much progress do they make? F_ck wether or not your idea has been done before, the writers will be diffrent and the results will vary so screw that holding back sh_t. As for others, stop just saying "thats cool" and such no seriously enough. Egoes grow if you just say A grade work or bite back your tongue. We grow by knowing what we do write and wrong so please for the love of god or whoever the hell you worship be hounest. If a post sucked try and offer some helpful feedback. And try and actually post in things. I see alot of "this is cool im so in" and then they never show. Or worse yet post once and then almost never again, that not only sucks for ones record but screws up the rpg. Naturaly of course we all have lives outside of here so some is clearly okay, but come on theres no way its a hold up all from rl. Its lazyness and a failure to commit. And again if thats the case f_cking say something and help make it clear what needs doing to keep you going.

Groupies, theres a serious diffrence from fans and a groupie. Fan is good, saying (insert name) is awesome and that you love their work totaly cool and we need that. However thinking the world of them to the point it puts down another user isn't cool. I hate hate hate how the vine seems to fall often into this place where if your not That One Person then you can be ignored. This has alot in similar with Complacency. Try and support others venture out of the groups we sometimes get stuck in. Some of my favorite pieces of works have been brought about by doing things with somebody not on my team or that im at the time familiar with.

Canon Picking, its the most agrevating concept to date! I know some might feel like man that was cheep or man that was dumb. What we see though is "great stuff" at face value and then "what the hells wrong with them" behind doors. Theres alot of "that just didn't happen" which is simply just b_tchy and low to me. Truth Bloodstone was never ever going to have a relationship and certainly not a kid. I hated the idea of her having a relationship, but I made good of it later with the twins beating in Final War and the making of Fera into the Witchblade user im dying to use her more if I could just make the time or find the right place. Good can come from the worst ideas if you just apply some damn effort. Its better then a disregard of them, there isnt a single thread of that which is enjoyable. Find a way to work with things not make a confusing mess where one character is suffering from PTS from a war that another character never says happend. The best way to unify the vine hounestly is to start trying to embrace everything and not just what worked for you.

Not Retconing what you want to retcon....there could be another person with the name, a cosmic change, a disease anything if you want. I mean lets embrace the fact its your damn character you should do what you want. Over powered might be annoying to alot of us but as long as they sell who are we to say they cant be? Some characters might have exhausted all their potential, and while they should try and avoid butchering other characters history who are we to say they cant revive them in a new way. I personally loath when a character dies epicly and then comes back but if you want to bring them back make a new you whatever do so. No need to not do what you want to do with your character.

Empires, I know some of us love the empires, heres the thing though. Its come to a point where that empire abundance is crippling the vine. So except its doing more harm to us all and let them go. Or better yet actually use it, have the turf wars that kills one side or cripples both. Thought an "empire" liked to expand so why the hell are there so many? Hell one ruler practicaly has empire in his name come on now. Of course that brings me to my last thing....

Sell Sell F_ckn Sell its not as simple as one thinks. Its not just taking a punch, sometimes a punch isn't even the answer it is crucial to also make one look good, This however branches into other elements, such as emotional. Take a loss then run with it, be in a captivating event use it. And most crucial if your some ruler sell the enemy and your allies. Its okay to say your base got leveled by that bad team. Or that the war was lost, its okay to lose some ground. We do this for fun and story. And guess what, the untouchable unbeatable perfectly perfect land of flawless greatness of unconquerable unrivalable epic complexity. Yeah thats boring as f_ck.

Summary of Above

This is not a jab at any of you, Ive commited myself to likely something all of you have done. That said please do not take anything said as something attempting to marking you down. What this is is me pointing out some things I feel are the flaws of the vineand what I think could be done. We all feel that a change is needed so lets work together to make it happen. Alot of people are saying "it just cant be done" why the hell not? We all play a role on this little island so how come we cant change it? And if so many of us can see theres something wrong is it really such a stretch to say we cant all work to fix it? I personally have a little bit more faith in our abilities. If you found the censored language a problem sorry :P

So Heres The Pitch

For the past two years almost all have failed to see that Salem Hex and the right hand of the Secretary of Defense have been calculating the formation of a deadly scheme. They would turn the world back to its original un imperialistic form with everyone changed into a mutant or dead. The catalyst of the change would be carried across the globe by thermo nuclear war. The plans however had been pushed into advance however do to a traumatizing event.

The world catchs wind of this and soon supporters and opponents are visable from every side. They plan for the savior or fall for all humanity on a foriegn and domestic level. No chance to pardon ones self from this rising threat, of course as the zero hour aproaches events drasticaly effect how the original plan was set in motion. To keep this short and also avoid spoilers as I literaly have been building this tale for two years I'll leave it as just whats above. Early in the rp the bombs would be released to insight chance to change things sooner rather quickly. As attention spans can run short and I feel its better to kick things off soon as possible before momentum dies. Cant always be helped but do so if I can. Empires would fall or be damaged in a way that drops them yet still promotes ones involvment with such areas. The best earned empires are of Santo Ray and Tenebra and yet for whatever reason they haven't been able to put them to use. Thats not all their fault mind you, while the most well known was simply claimed and doesn't do much for cv itself. The one with the most work in it is also the most dead. Their all great but they are not working, we all see it and voice it so lets do something.

Closing

Heres the thing though Im just one person I don't know what all of you feel is the issue. I dont know what all of you are looking for in an rpg. And while any of us can pitch and even promote change we need the others to make change. I can spend hours working to deliver great stories as can you, but the set up of this game we all love demands that I be there to keep your tale going and you mind. Its a cooperative game and not alot can be done without a person working with us cooperatively. So if your one of the people who think CVU needs a change then step the hell up and lets make that happen. And sense thats the thought it all of our heads at some level then we ALL need to step up. Empires its time we pitch the fall of such its holding us all back it seams so its time we work to remove those or give them new life. Viners you can gripe all you want about it being dead but your complaints only go so far. Screw if the idea slumps if it does you just go back to the drawing board big deal. We all see the issues, allow me to be the one to raise the first fist of Revolution, one fist doesn't go far though. What we need is you

This message is brought to you by Drew, the writer behind Azrael614 and sevral other accounts. With Love I say my dear CV we need to get our sh_t in gear allready ^_~

Insert questions, yays, boos, randomness, and progress below

#1 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@614azrael: hell yeah after this my nation will be a giant ass turtle

#2 Posted by shadowknight666 (20769 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@614azrael: I Agreed with every single word. EVERY ONE

#3 Posted by Impero (6446 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@614azrael: Well the reason why CVnU is being formulated by a select few is because when we suggested the idea, nearly everyone was against it, nobody wanted to be a part of it. We didn't tell anybody that it was a closed project, we said anybody could join, but nobody did, everyone was against it. Now that we're in the final stages of creating it, people want to join in in setting up CVnU when there's very little work to be done to it. In any case, I like the sentiment behind this.

#4 Posted by Ult_Azrael (94 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@shadowknight666: @Impero: @Rumble Man:

It was fear of a reboot, of discarding all the work of CVU for nU its natural they have some concern. I was 100% for it when I knew it wasnt a strait up reboot lol. Also thanks all of ya for support, I think we can all see the need of change so I thought id ask how to go about it. Granted it was a tad theatric but what can I say was in a mood :P

#5 Posted by Impero (6446 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@Ult_Azrael: LOL we had made it clear that it wasn't going to erase anyone's canon, though people still didn't like it because they feared that everyone was going to abandon Vine Prime. You're welcome :)

#6 Posted by Prince_Aizen (96 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

With all this talk of Empires, I hope New Arcania didn't piss any one off haha.

#7 Posted by Apex_ (47 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio
Real world locations tend to spark jeers and turmoil. Random islands like yours are just ripe for potential ^_^
  @Prince_Aizen
#8 Posted by Naamah_Obyzouth (3315 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

I hope no one cares that I built a college/fort inside the arctic circle. lol

#9 Posted by Apex_ (47 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio
From what ive seen those have never been an issue, but land claims like all of Africa or China etc etc are. Some empires were more earned then others but it seems majority feals there an issue. If thats the case I feel they should be brought down some but in a way that still lets them enjoy being apart of nations system.
  @Naamah_Obyzouth
#10 Posted by Prince_Aizen (96 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@Apex_ said:

Real world locations tend to spark jeers and turmoil. Random islands like yours are just ripe for potential ^_^
@Prince_Aizen:

:D

#11 Posted by Lady_Liberty (4705 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@Prince_Aizen said:

With all this talk of Empires, I hope New Arcania didn't piss any one off haha.

I'm one of the loudest voices about Empires, and my position is frequently missunderstood.

I'm NOT against Empires, in fact I believe a well made and run Empire is awesome.

I AM against DEAD empires that take up critical portions of the world, which KILLS RP ideas before they are even born.

New Arcania doesn't bother me at all, and I think its a cool idea.

#12 Posted by Sergeant Arch Dornan (227 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

Thermonuclear war only works if the other guy doesn't have the anti-missile systems to swat the nukes down.

#13 Posted by Prince_Aizen (96 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty: Vine Liberty should visit some time.

#14 Posted by Sergeant Arch Dornan (227 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

I will say this, I already have plans for the doom of Vrakmul and the PERMANENT end of the  Black Hand, if people will hop on for my events I'll give them a suitably epic end to the Hand and a chance to partake in one hell of a ride.

#15 Edited by EdwardWindsor (13189 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@Impero: your initial comment isnt entirely true, some of us where turned away because "to many people in pm would confuse things", thats was what i was told. I don't resent that in anyway its your prerogative but people where turned away.

@614azrael: i for one have found it sapping to say the least postwise, since movement on rpgs seems to be quite slow. I myself have been at fault as much as anyone else but the community in general is moving at a much slower pace.

#16 Posted by Mintaya_Olair (34 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio
Ultimantly this is not about CVnU, my goal here is for us to work out what needs changed how to do it, and how to maintain it. CV needs fixing, empires are a problem but the biggest is us. So what do all of us need to work towards to forge something better out of CVU. Call me a insane fool if you want for thinking I can make a change, but I do ;)
#17 Posted by EdwardWindsor (13189 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

your an insane fool lol, but i back you

#18 Posted by Lady_Liberty (4705 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@EdwardWindsor: I think it was me that did that, not Impero, but I could be wrong. I'd have to check PM dates, and post dates and stuff.

#19 Posted by EdwardWindsor (13189 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty: i'am not blaming Impero, just saying what he said technically isn't true people who are and where behind the principles of the idea where not all aloud into the pm. Myself being one of them.

#20 Posted by Mintaya_Olair (34 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio
Its moving alot slower it can be salvaged though. So this psycho is asking what needs doing to fix it lol.
  @EdwardWindsor
#21 Posted by EdwardWindsor (13189 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@Mintaya_Olair: i agreed with your points, it can be salvaged just alotta work to do so

#22 Posted by Lady_Liberty (4705 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@EdwardWindsor: Sorry if you felt left out :-(

#23 Posted by Sergeant Arch Dornan (227 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

I can help bring down empires without throwing the Earth into Nuclear winter.

#24 Edited by EdwardWindsor (13189 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty: as i said its cool, i understand. Was just pointing out that not everybody was allowed into the Pm that showed interest like what was said.

#25 Posted by Lady_Liberty (4705 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@EdwardWindsor: Ya'll can leave me out of the CV Prime PM, as revenge ;-)

#26 Posted by EdwardWindsor (13189 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty: lol we shall see

#27 Posted by Agent_California (650 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

Perhaps what we need is an alien invasion, not the human alien kind, I mean starfish "wtf is that" aliens.

#28 Posted by Acolyte_V (13 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio
Ill explain my idea a bit cleaner. Its not as mundane as nuclear winter :P
  @Agent_California
#29 Posted by Rumble Man (11119 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@Sergeant Arch Dornan said:

I will say this, I already have plans for the doom of Vrakmul and the PERMANENT end of the Black Hand, if people will hop on for my events I'll give them a suitably epic end to the Hand and a chance to partake in one hell of a ride.

EFF yeah, gimme that teenage skin

#30 Posted by Agent_California (650 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

The Black Hand is going to stay until the saga ends, where it will be completely destroyed.

#31 Posted by Impero (6446 posts) - 5 months, 20 days ago - Show Bio

@EdwardWindsor said:

@Impero: your initial comment isnt entirely true, some of us where turned away because "to many people in pm would confuse things", thats was what i was told. I don't resent that in anyway its your prerogative but people where turned away.

It is true. In the beginning, everyone was free to join the planning in CVnU, but everyone either misunderstood the situation and didn't want to be a part of it, or they simply turned away. Now that we're in the end of finishing everything, people want to join and that would just complicate things and divert everything from finalization. I don't think I ever said that. But when Rumble Man asked to join the CVnU PM, he asked when we were in the final stages, an additional member would have diverted our focus from finishing what we started. At that point in time he would have complicated things. Had anyone asked to join when we first started the PM, then they would have been allowed to join. But everybody really only asked to join in the end when we're about to finish to either legit give some ideas or just to have some influence on the matter. People weren't turned away in how you're picturing it. Adding additional members to a project that's about to finish isn't the wisest thing to do. Whoever wanted to join, Rumble Man included, should have asked much earlier instead of the very end when there's little left to do.

#32 Edited by EdwardWindsor (13189 posts) - 5 months, 19 days ago - Show Bio

@Impero: dude thats exactly what i was told " the bit you made bold". It was said to me 6 days ago i hve th message in my pms.

#33 Posted by 614azrael (9071 posts) - 5 months, 18 days ago - Show Bio
Do rules of CVnU feel needed in CVU?
#34 Posted by EdwardWindsor (13189 posts) - 5 months, 18 days ago - Show Bio
@614azrael Some are already here, the main difference is the enforcement of the rules which is sadly needed .
#35 Posted by _Zombie_ (9595 posts) - 5 months, 18 days ago - Show Bio

@EdwardWindsor said:

@614azrael Some are already here, the main difference is the enforcement of the rules which is sadly needed .

This. New rules are all well and good, but pointless if a system of actually enforcing them isn't worked out.

#36 Posted by 614azrael (9071 posts) - 5 months, 18 days ago - Show Bio
Exactly, so how might we go about that? CV has flaws, hole point of this is to try and mend them
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@EdwardWindsor
#37 Posted by EdwardWindsor (13189 posts) - 5 months, 18 days ago - Show Bio
@614azrael Well a governing body simular to the other verse would be dam handy or at least some sort of grief resolution group
#38 Posted by Prometheus_ (57 posts) - 5 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

So. Will i be able to create a new character and start posting in CVnU as soon as possible?

#39 Posted by 614azrael (9071 posts) - 5 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio
Your free to jump in CVnU anytime this was just me tryn to learn what CVU needs
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#40 Posted by Rain_Eclipse_Ves (1453 posts) - 5 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

Me > We

This is the root of 90% of all Vine related issues, until people start looking how their involvement and RPG's benefits the Vine as a whole and not just their character, team, empire, personal ego, etc. this will never get fixed.

Too many of the so called "vets" seem to miss the point that this is an interactive endeavor and not just their fan fiction with others filling what most of the time are meaningless roles where others actions carry no weight.

#41 Posted by Kratesis (3701 posts) - 5 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@Rain_Eclipse_Ves said:

Me > We

This is the root of 90% of all Vine related issues, until people start looking how their involvement and RPG's benefits the Vine as a whole and not just their character, team, empire, personal ego, etc. this will never get fixed.

Too many of the so called "vets" seem to miss the point that this is an interactive endeavor and not just their fan fiction with others filling what most of the time are meaningless roles where others actions carry no weight.

#42 Posted by _Toxic_Avenger_ (18 posts) - 5 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

First step of rebuilding is more RPGs, right? :o
@Kratesis: *pokes*

#43 Posted by 614azrael (9071 posts) - 5 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio
Rain Krate regretfully that is the problem no small group can change. The only way for the clique/me over you type issue to change is to call it out. This is a situation where really unless people have the guts to say "bro you seem to be centered around yourself" nothins gona change. Toxic, prpblem isnt rp starting I think its people jumpn in on them.
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#44 Posted by Kratesis (3701 posts) - 5 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@_Toxic_Avenger_: Perhaps! RPG's tend to be kinda dead, because nobody really cares. What happens in RPG's is all to often only relevant in that RPG, and doesn't effect anything outside of it. So there's not much interest in most RPGs.

With the Court I'm going to try to put things on the line, up to and including the possible destruction of the Court. So people could really accomplish something. But I'm also going to try to figure out a big goal the Court could archive, something that we could possible win long term. That way there are real stakes in the CVnU RPG's that involve the Court.

#45 Posted by Rain_Eclipse_Ves (1453 posts) - 5 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@614azrael:

I actually called out the entire Vine about 9 months ago, there was a lot of talk and pats on the back for the effort, then everyone went right back to their empires and cliques. Things are as closed off and lifeless now as they were then outside of very short term spikes. It took getting pneumonia and having a week to kill to even try again under this alt to see if things have improved.

Talk of any kind will only go so far, and those not considered "vets" likely do not want to speak up out of fear of being black listed and left out of anything of importance. The rest (like me) just shook their head and left.

#46 Posted by 614azrael (9071 posts) - 5 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio
Krate lets just hope we have people on the other end, LoS people could come in try and knock it down. Few bothered cuz I suspect that it wasnt Gam's. That and the lack of people postn outside of a few. Gota have people on both ends ya know. Rain its frustrating as fck, thats about as easy as I can put it lol
  @Rain_Eclipse_Ves
@Kratesis
#47 Posted by Kratesis (3701 posts) - 5 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

I hate to re-fight old battles but there is a very good reason we left the Vine Prime behind. Its just not fixable for the foreseeable future.

#48 Posted by Kratesis (3701 posts) - 5 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@614azrael: Sure thing! Bring the LoS over to the CVnU and we'll have a rivalry.

#49 Posted by Rain_Eclipse_Ves (1453 posts) - 5 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

@614azrael said:

Krate lets just hope we have people on the other end, LoS people could come in try and knock it down. Few bothered cuz I suspect that it wasnt Gam's. That and the lack of people postn outside of a few. Gota have people on both ends ya know. Rain its frustrating as fck, thats about as easy as I can put it lol
@Rain_Eclipse_Ves:
@Kratesis:

In my case it was just leaving while shaking my head at how utterly clueless some people (who will remain nameless) were about being part of the problem and not the solution. I feel for the others who have spent a lot more time and effort invested in the Vine, for them it has to be cripplingly frustrating. I only had one account/character and maybe 1500 posts over a 5 month period invested, that's just a long weekend for someone like Mercy (or DH at that point).

I just poke my head in and see whats going on here and there, sadly there is some talent around that is being wasted because the whole cannot get it's act together. Maybe the CVnU will succeed where others have failed.

#50 Posted by 614azrael (9071 posts) - 5 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio
My focus is on the Coven CVnU wise, though it does have a future with Kratesis crew. I imagine they'll either allign or clash in future :)
  @Kratesis
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