#1 Posted by kidstandout (106 posts) - - Show Bio
#2 Posted by achilles100 (200 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope not. This throwing herself at any guy in front of her thing is new to the nu52 and annoying. Also, the guy's been a non-entity so far, and I'd hate to have her be used to get him over.

#3 Posted by kidstandout (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@achilles100:

i guess we'll have to wait and see how this plays out. personally i like the concept better than her casual fling with mr t. especially if it involves them bonding over lose like the picture implies

#4 Posted by achilles100 (200 posts) - - Show Bio

@achilles100:

i guess we'll have to wait and see how this plays out. personally i like the concept better than her casual fling with mr t. especially if it involves them bonding over lose like the picture implies

To me the picture implies a standard type that you used to see in old pulp magazines, the heroine, (who exists in order to have someone for the male hero to rescue), clinging to the hero and weeping as the hero looks on stoically or impassively, striking a heroic pose.

And yeah, we'll see, but DC hasn't exactly inspired a lot of hope in me in the past few years. And they used to be about hope and optimism, and the idea that people could do anything. Not these days. I shall be presently surprised if PG is treated with anything resembling respect in this, and serves any other purpose than as rescue bait.

#5 Posted by kidstandout (106 posts) - - Show Bio
#6 Edited by PowerGirlFan (246 posts) - - Show Bio

@achilles100: PG is grieving over the death of her friend, not being rescued. Clinging to Val in this context does not imply that they are an item. Batman is holding his daughter's body while Kara and Val look on. Should be obvious.

#7 Posted by TheGreyOutcastX (2051 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Posted by kidstandout (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@achilles100: PG is grieving over the death of her friend, not being rescued. Clinging to Val in this context does not imply that they are an item. Batman is holding his daughter's body while Kara and Val look on. Should be obvious.

agreed, though i wouldn't oppose puting kara and val together. val seems like an ideal contrast she could bounce off of

#9 Edited by achilles100 (200 posts) - - Show Bio

@achilles100: PG is grieving over the death of her friend, not being rescued. Clinging to Val in this context does not imply that they are an item. Batman is holding his daughter's body while Kara and Val look on. Should be obvious.

It isn't obvious really---this is concept art, a teaser, one of those things DC likes to put out that usually has nothing whatsoever to do with the story. So whether Helena dies, gets a hangnail, or nothing at all happens to her is pretty much up for grabs as far as the public knows at this point.

That said, PG has for several years, (outside her solo title), been used as rescue/tear bait---see IC, where she was supposed to have a major role, only to see that role go to SuperBOY, while she spent the majority of the time being rescued and crying.

#10 Posted by king1_icon (600 posts) - - Show Bio

@achilles100: i hope they do get together just to spite you.

#11 Posted by danhimself (22290 posts) - - Show Bio

@powergirlfan said:

@achilles100: PG is grieving over the death of her friend, not being rescued. Clinging to Val in this context does not imply that they are an item. Batman is holding his daughter's body while Kara and Val look on. Should be obvious.

It isn't obvious really---this is concept art, a teaser, one of those things DC likes to put out that usually has nothing whatsoever to do with the story. So whether Helena dies, gets a hangnail, or nothing at all happens to her is pretty much up for grabs as far as the public knows at this point.

That said, PG has for several years, (outside her solo title), been used as rescue/tear bait---see IC, where she was supposed to have a major role, only to see that role go to SuperBOY, while she spent the majority of the time being rescued and crying.

would you have liked it better if she would have died instead of Conner?

#12 Posted by achilles100 (200 posts) - - Show Bio

@achilles100 said:

@powergirlfan said:

@achilles100: PG is grieving over the death of her friend, not being rescued. Clinging to Val in this context does not imply that they are an item. Batman is holding his daughter's body while Kara and Val look on. Should be obvious.

It isn't obvious really---this is concept art, a teaser, one of those things DC likes to put out that usually has nothing whatsoever to do with the story. So whether Helena dies, gets a hangnail, or nothing at all happens to her is pretty much up for grabs as far as the public knows at this point.

That said, PG has for several years, (outside her solo title), been used as rescue/tear bait---see IC, where she was supposed to have a major role, only to see that role go to SuperBOY, while she spent the majority of the time being rescued and crying.

would you have liked it better if she would have died instead of Conner?

Why would she have to die? There are many other ways that story could have gone, many that probably would have been better.

#13 Edited by danhimself (22290 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:
@achilles100 said:

@powergirlfan said:

@achilles100: PG is grieving over the death of her friend, not being rescued. Clinging to Val in this context does not imply that they are an item. Batman is holding his daughter's body while Kara and Val look on. Should be obvious.

It isn't obvious really---this is concept art, a teaser, one of those things DC likes to put out that usually has nothing whatsoever to do with the story. So whether Helena dies, gets a hangnail, or nothing at all happens to her is pretty much up for grabs as far as the public knows at this point.

That said, PG has for several years, (outside her solo title), been used as rescue/tear bait---see IC, where she was supposed to have a major role, only to see that role go to SuperBOY, while she spent the majority of the time being rescued and crying.

would you have liked it better if she would have died instead of Conner?

Why would she have to die? There are many other ways that story could have gone, many that probably would have been better.

because that was Conner's role in the story...you're saying that her role was taken by Superboy but it really wasn't...Nightwing was the one who was originally supposed to die but they switched him out with Superboy....there were a lot of characters who didn't have a huge role in Infinite Crisis...it doesn't mean that some other character took their spotlight...it just means that they didn't have a big role

#14 Posted by achilles100 (200 posts) - - Show Bio

@achilles100 said:

@danhimself said:
@achilles100 said:

@powergirlfan said:

@achilles100: PG is grieving over the death of her friend, not being rescued. Clinging to Val in this context does not imply that they are an item. Batman is holding his daughter's body while Kara and Val look on. Should be obvious.

It isn't obvious really---this is concept art, a teaser, one of those things DC likes to put out that usually has nothing whatsoever to do with the story. So whether Helena dies, gets a hangnail, or nothing at all happens to her is pretty much up for grabs as far as the public knows at this point.

That said, PG has for several years, (outside her solo title), been used as rescue/tear bait---see IC, where she was supposed to have a major role, only to see that role go to SuperBOY, while she spent the majority of the time being rescued and crying.

would you have liked it better if she would have died instead of Conner?

Why would she have to die? There are many other ways that story could have gone, many that probably would have been better.

because that was Conner's role in the story...you're saying that her role was taken by Superboy but it really wasn't...Nightwing was the one who was originally supposed to die but they switched him out with Superboy....there were a lot of characters who didn't have a huge role in Infinite Crisis...it doesn't mean that some other character took their spotlight...it just means that they didn't have a big role

Which might have worked if Didio and Johns hadn't built up PG's role for the story by saying it was one of the critical roles in the entire thing. Which turned out to be as I said, meant she cried a lot, got beaten up a lot, and even let the Martian Manhunter stop her from saving her cousin, or at least trying to.

Not very PG behavior. She would have cut J'ohn a new one with her heat vision to follow along.

And, as I said, while Nightwing was originally scheduled to get the chop, (to satisfy Didio's hatred for the character), neither one needed to die. Or if they really had to in the minds of the creators, it still doesn't explain why PG was such a crying spectator for the entire story. Even Wonder Girl did more, or at least tried to.

This is actually a staple of Johns' writing of Power Girl; he tends to present her as whiny, crying, and ineffectual, often needing rescue. This probably stems from his attitude toward the character as expressed in the old DCU message boards.

#15 Edited by kidstandout (106 posts) - - Show Bio

according to a interview with tom taylor at newsrama, writer of e2 and e2 worlds end, kara and val know might know each other from krypton