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#51 Posted by Squares (4954 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares:starmie can survive one thunderbolt,cloyster only beats starmie in defence,starmie beats cloyster in special defence,speed and special attack by far,and it's much more versatil,and one of the best offencive spiners in all the games.

Versatile, not versatil. If you're going to keep using that word, learn to spell it properly.

#52 Posted by DEGRAAF (7870 posts) - - Show Bio

I've never played the card game but i have never liked Starmie

#54 Edited by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@degraaf said:

I've never played the card game but i have never liked Starmie

we are talking about the usual gamaes,not card game,starmie has good defences,very good speed and special attack and can learn many different types of moves

#55 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: can you tyell me if i'm right,as far as i know,in the pokemon videogames,you can maximize 2 stats from any pokemon right?,like for example speed and special attack by using calcium and carbos and fighting with pokemon that give you points in those specific stats right?.

#56 Posted by Shanana (52932 posts) - - Show Bio

Starmie is a really good pokemon, I used it in Pokemon Silver. It can learn a wide variety of moves.

#57 Edited by Fallschirmjager (15312 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: can you tyell me if i'm right,as far as i know,in the pokemon videogames,you can maximize 2 stats from any pokemon right?,like for example speed and special attack by using calcium and carbos and fighting with pokemon that give you points in those specific stats right?.

those are called effort points. and there is more too it than just using vitamins. Each Pokemon can have a maximum of 510 effort points. But only 252 in any particular stat.

Each vitamin gives you 10 effort points. But a pokemon won't accept more than 10 of any one Vitameans meaning you can only get 100 effort points from that

The rest come from defeating Pokemon. Any pokemon. Which points you get depend on the pokemon you defeat. (You can probably find a master list online, just google it)

That's why if you rare candy a Pokemon to level 100 it seems weaker. Because it has no effort points. So you should maximize your effort points then use rare candies.

Every 4 effort points give you 1 stat. So if you have 252 attack EV's, you will get an additional 63 attack stat over the course of leveling that pokemon. And so on and so forth.

By the time you reach 100. Stuff like EV training, natures,...etc all matter very much. A properlly EV trained pokemon with a good nature will destroy one that hasn't been EV trained and/or has a bad nature

#58 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager:as far as i know you can only get 63 EV for every stat,i did research long ago and found out that you can mazimize 2 stats.

#59 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager:i never had in mind a very important topic,IVs,so sadly many of the pokemon i have won't be able to maximize their stats.

#60 Posted by Fallschirmjager (15312 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: thats not true. you can get 252 ev's.

every 4 evs give you 1 actual stat

#61 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager:so you can get 252 points for every stats?,but i have always seen in forums that you can only maximize 2 stats.

#62 Posted by Fallschirmjager (15312 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: no you can only get 510 stats total and 252 in any one stat

so pick 2 stats. get 252 in each of them, and then +6 in whatever.

99% of the time you get 252 in speed.

the other 252 is either attack/special attack or defense/special defense, depending on the pokemon

last 6 are usually in HP

#63 Edited by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: no you can only get 510 stats total and 252 in any one stat

so pick 2 stats. get 252 in each of them, and then +6 in whatever.

99% of the time you get 252 in speed.

the other 252 is either attack/special attack or defense/special defense, depending on the pokemon

last 6 are usually in HP

but i never thought aout IVs,having the right IV is very important to maximize a pokemon's strongest stat.