#1 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (11011 posts) - - Show Bio

If you havent seen the movie dont read this, is spoiler alert.

Zod has no purpose on life anymore, he is in a fight to the death, because he cant live anymore, he cant kill Clark also, since he is the only thing that is a part of Krypton, he cant kill him, he does everything so Clark kill him, he cant kill himself because he has a mission, to protect and save Krypton, he cant kill Superman, so he need to push him to the point Superman only has one choice to make, end with Zod life, he have no other desinty or mission, he cant change and get a new life, he has no other option that dying at that point

The heat vision would move if he moves his eyes, still he moves neck so he point Superman what to do, he cant kill himself but he cant keep living, then he force Superman to kill him.

This is pretty normal, is called Suicide by Cop.

Suicide by cop is a suicide method in which a suicidal individual deliberately acts in a threatening way, provoking a lethal response from a law enforcement officer or other legitimately armed individual, such as being shot to death.

#2 Posted by PowerHerc (84331 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay. I can see your point.

#3 Edited by Decoy Elite (30041 posts) - - Show Bio

Well yeah, he made it pretty obvious that was the point.

He outright said he would never stop trying to kill the humans Clack sought to protect until he died. The heat vision was just to drive the point home and end it all.

Although I think a more experienced Superman could have found a way around killing Zod, but I guess that's part of the point in a way.

#4 Edited by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

Decoy hit the nail on the head and it's something that people seem to be constantly forgetting. This film isn't about an experience Superman. Heck, he isn't even Superman for the majority of it nor does the world know who he is. He is constantly trying to find out who and what he wants to be, hence the point of the film and the importance behind Zod's death. Clark's decision is what will inspire him to be better, to teach himself and those around him in hopes of avoiding another situation like that.

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#5 Edited by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

Why is it so hard for people to understand this?

#6 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (11011 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandman_ said:

Why is it so hard for people to understand this?

They belive in free will and everything that has a mind can decide what they will do.

#7 Posted by King Saturn (224273 posts) - - Show Bio

Why was this posted ? It was simply to vent on the concept of the ending with Zod or was it to actually explain to those who did not understand the ending ? I mean it seems to me that the majority at least on CV understood the point of the ending. So I guess the OP would probably be better off using this point on a Movie Critics site or something like that.

#8 Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy (7897 posts) - - Show Bio

If the next movies doesn't show a change in the way Superman chooses to be a hero then I will probably never like this movie more than I do now. Which is just meh. It's good.

#9 Posted by sagejonathan (1960 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it was a major part of Superman's character development. I'm more than sure it will affect him in the sequel to come.

#10 Posted by russellmania77 (15512 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget: it isn't about the name superman its about the morals he was tought as an earthling (old American values). "Nobody has the right to kill. Not mxyzptlk, not you, not superman... Especially not superman!" -Superman

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#11 Posted by k4tzm4n (45537 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget: it isn't about the name superman its about the morals he was tought as an earthling (old American values). "Nobody has the right to kill. Not mxyzptlk, not you, not superman... Especially not superman!" -Superman

Well then, what was his rational alternative in this scenario? With the phantom drive technology gone, how could Superman now protect the billions on Earth from a bloodlusted and heartbroken General Zod?

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#12 Posted by Kal'smahboi (3532 posts) - - Show Bio

I can dig it. It might have been a choice he made during the battle, when he decided he couldn't win (and that it wouldn't matter if he did) but I like it.

#13 Posted by russellmania77 (15512 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: there is no other way, superman did the right thing by Killing zod, sound good?

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#14 Posted by Azura_Thena (139 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget: it isn't about the name superman its about the morals he was tought as an earthling (old American values). "Nobody has the right to kill. Not mxyzptlk, not you, not superman... Especially not superman!" -Superman

Just out of curiosity, what do you think brought Superman to this modern conclusion?

#15 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, duh.

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#17 Posted by k4tzm4n (45537 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, duh.

I don't believe I've seen you give an overall opinion of the film yet. Yay/nay?

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#18 Posted by Azura_Thena (139 posts) - - Show Bio

@azura_thena: can you refrace the question?

I am sorry, I thought it was fairly clear. That quote you posted, it was Superman's own words. My question to you is what do you think Superman went through in his life that made him adopt that specific moral stance?

#19 Posted by russellmania77 (15512 posts) - - Show Bio

@azura_thena: ok I get you now, um his old American judicial and spiritual belief, because let's be real, Christianity (or cath) where main beliefs of most Americans back then.

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#20 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

@innervenom123 said:

Well, duh.

I don't believe I've seen you give an overall opinion of the film yet. Yay/nay?

Yay out the nay. Yay, yay, yay.

At the same time, I understand the problems and I'm not gonna argue with someone if they hated it.

It's easily the most polarizing superhero movie I've ever seen.

#21 Edited by Azura_Thena (139 posts) - - Show Bio

@azura_thena: ok I get you now, um his old American judicial and spiritual belief, because let's be real, Christianity (or cath) where main beliefs of most Americans back then.

I see what you are saying and that may have some influence. But to me, that is not the actual reason. I believe, based on the reading of his series and seeing how it effected him, it was the time that he actually killed Zod and his subordinates in the comics that gave him that code on the subject of killing. So essentially, he didn't truly develop the 'no killing' rule until after he killed 3 people (excluding when he killed Doomsday).

#22 Posted by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

So...did anyone notice Superman's scream of remorse after it happened? No, just me? Alright?

If this fight would have continued, Zod would have killed Superman.

#23 Posted by mk111 (3141 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandman_:

I agree. Superman didn't have much choice at all, and he felt awful about it. If anything, that scene made Superman feel a bit more human and sympathetic. Even he isn't perfect.

#24 Edited by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

@mk111 said:

@sandman_:

I agree. Superman didn't have much choice at all, and he felt awful about it. If anything, that scene made Superman feel a bit more human and sympathetic. Even he isn't perfect.

I believe that was the whole point. People seem to overlook it or not accept it.

#25 Posted by russellmania77 (15512 posts) - - Show Bio

@azura_thena: ya, I guess you're right, my opinion was wrong. I forgot about superman #22

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#26 Posted by Azura_Thena (139 posts) - - Show Bio

@azura_thena: ya, I guess you're right, my opinion was wrong. I forgot about superman #22

It's cool. I am happy to see that you are willing to accept new information and adjust your views. It seems like some here have a hard time seeing data that they don't like.

#27 Posted by russellmania77 (15512 posts) - - Show Bio

@azura_thena: well that's another reason I'm on the vine is to learn

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#28 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7840 posts) - - Show Bio

I liked the ending, it was brutal and Zod indeed left him no choice.

#29 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (11011 posts) - - Show Bio

Why was this posted ? It was simply to vent on the concept of the ending with Zod or was it to actually explain to those who did not understand the ending ? I mean it seems to me that the majority at least on CV understood the point of the ending. So I guess the OP would probably be better off using this point on a Movie Critics site or something like that.

People overlook Harvey Dent did the same thing, he let a coin decide if he should kill himself or dont, if he should kill Batman and Gordon or not.

And that Ras could had jump of the train and see if Batman would had save him, he decide to stay there and die.