@blackstaroblivion:
"Not really. Not when he could've just given up like some do. Then the ones that do give up, you call lazy.
I love that logic. Sheer genius. And one of many symptoms of what is wrong with a sick world we live in.
A hero is, in part, an individual that overcomes overwhelming odds successfully. My father is hero as well as responsible. And those of ethnic origins other than European that have been successful in this country are heroes as well."
I disagree. If you create a good life for yourself then you have done what you are supposed to do. people standards are so low that they expect commendation for taking care of themselves and their family. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO!! Improve the world or community or save lives then i'll call you a hero.....maybe. My father made sure dinner was on the table, a nice home, never beat us. he could have been a dead beat dad but he chose to be a real man. I don't consider him a hero. Maybe my personal hero but not to anyone else. And if you give up you are lazy.
You disagree because you have no clue what it is like to be on the receiving end of racism. Period. Fathers are supposed to take care of their kids and be responsible....but they should also be able to walk into a job interview without being pre-judged. The fact that my father did it despite such opposition....makes him a hero. Not really concerned about your definition of whether or not you think my father is a hero or not. He is. My uncle, my father's brother worked years for a company. He was passed over every time he applied for a supervisory position. Time and again, he was asked to train new guys....every one of them white....so they could be promoted to positions that he had applied for several times and was passed over in favor of his white contemporaries.
Is your father black? He did what he was supposed to do because he was not discriminated against. My father was discriminated against and was passed over at least once that we know of, because of his skin color. I've mentioned this a few times now and you have completely ignored,presumably so you can just make your point as opposed to accepting the fact that racism is still alive and well...matter of fact...thriving...in this country. Hell, in my opinion I've seen racism get worse and people become more polarized than ever.
White guys go in and apply for a job. As long as they put on a suit and tie and convey a measure of intelligence, they are a solid candidate for the job. If you are black, you have a whole 'nother wall to climb.
"I love this. They choose to fail."
Yes. We need to accept responsibility for our own success and failure. Stop pointing fingers and blaming others.
No. We point the finger at the people who refuse to give a job to a man based on his skin color. That is called injustice. Black men and white men are not on even footing in the work world. Period.
"Let me ask you a question: have they chosen to fail when they aren't given a chance? Or do they simply make the logical choice?"
IMO the vast majority of americans are given NUMEROUS chances. very few are not given a chance at all
I'm not talking about americans. I'm talking about African-americans.
And no, as I've pointed out a few times, based on real world experience, prospective black employees are not on equal footing as prospective black employees.
"Pooty, what is your ethnic background?"
Neutral/doesn't matter. I believe you can have an honest perspective no matter what race you are.
No, you can't. If you have never been on the receiving end of racism, particularly as it relates to being employable, then you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Watching FOX news or reading about something in a school book doesn't really qualify you to give your opinion on this topic.
I've studied some of the habits of the game of I hunt up here. But I don't think I'm going to offer my perspective to my guide who's been doing it for 30 years.
There's perspective. And there's experience. You have no experience in this specific area.
You do the math.
"Funny how through all this, you never commented on the racism my father experienced"
Every road to success is littered with obstacles. Racism was his. I had different obstacles. I can't say his obstacles were any worse then mine or any one else's
Right. You can't say his experience is any worse than yours because you've never experienced discriminatory practices in the workplace based on your ethnic back ground. It sounds to me as if you really don't have the first clue as a matter of fact.
"And I don't think African americans using the system is unfortunate. It's what many do to survive."
sorry to hear that
You should be. It's tragic.
"And, uh, just throwin' this out there but my wife's sister has been scamming the system for over a decade now. She is as white as snow. Three kids from three different fathers. All white."
Going off the little you told me. your sister in law in a whore-ish bum. IMO she is worse then a minority who does it. because of the situation blacks endured for so long i can give them A LITTLE leniency. I have very little respect when a minority person does it. I have no respect when a white person does it. Does that answer surprise you? People call me racist towards minorities because this thread happens to be about black people. make one about white people and they'll call me racist against white people. Shouldn't call a person racist until you hear their thoughts on multiple races. Does that make sense?
Wow.
I might be offended, but I don't particularly care for my sister-in-law. She is vile in my opinion. But your response is strange. Not sure why you think Blacks can be called lazy in one statement, then say they should be given some leniency in comparison to their white contemporaries. All your previous comments on the subject contradict this notion. And no, your response does not surprise me. Why would it?
What is mildly surprising is that you offer your perspective at all when you aren't black. You don't have the first clue, yet here you are valiantly, staunchly defending your position, when in reality, you don't have the first clue. Because you experienced set backs and obstacles does not fluidly translate to what me, my wife or my father and uncle (among others in my family) experienced.
Your like that kid in high school who actually paid attention in the segment on the Vietnam war and now you're an expert.
In reality you are a clueless wonder, spouting off nonsense.
"In your opinion, is it worse for a white person to be on welfare, or a black person?"
Even though i just wrote it above. it makes me so disgusted, i'll say it again. WHITE PEOPLE ON WELFARE IS MUCH WORSE!!!!
Newsflash: because you think white people are better than black people doesn't make it any worse for them to leach the system.
"Do you have any black friends? Just curious."
I keep a very small tight circle of friends. Do i associate with black people and enjoy their company? yes. do i have a black friend who would be a best man in my wedding? no
And why doesn't this response surprise me.
Pooty, I suspect you keep a small circle of friends because not many people could possibly like you. Feel free to spout off this nonsense on a comic book web site, because any bozo can.
But if you are out in public, particularly if you happen to be in a public place where there are a lot of black people? I suggest you keep your statements to your self.
Have a nice life.
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