#401 Posted by Wolverine08 (43727 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonez120 said:

@pooty said:

@dshipp17:

Seriously, though, how would you account for the fact that African Americans have these issues?

Finally!! Someone who wants to talk about the issues instead of pretending they don't exist. IMO the problem is African American Culture. I think many Negroes believe that the system is against them. so there is no point in trying. So they believe sports, entertainment or crime (easy money) is the ONLY way to go.

Lol. You're seriously calling black people negroes?

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#402 Posted by Pperspectiveandreality (1931 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty:

Likely because he is an owner and is held to a higher standard, this isn't the first incident of this for him (though it is the first time he's gotten so much notoriety), he is collectively known as a black eye on the league, and he made disparaging remarks about an ethnicity that makes up about 70% of his workforce and a large number of his customers.

#403 Posted by Erik (33329 posts) - - Show Bio

@farkam said:

@jonez120 said:

@pooty said:

@dshipp17:

Seriously, though, how would you account for the fact that African Americans have these issues?

Finally!! Someone who wants to talk about the issues instead of pretending they don't exist. IMO the problem is African American Culture. I think many Negroes believe that the system is against them. so there is no point in trying. So they believe sports, entertainment or crime (easy money) is the ONLY way to go.

Lol. You're seriously calling black people negroes?

Only people I know that use that term are really old white folk who know no better and older black people. He knows the term is considered objectionable in a modern context which is why he is using it, to passively aggressively get reactions out of people with out getting into too much trouble with the mods. Lol.

You just summed up every post he has ever made.

#404 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (25565 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

The Los Angeles Clippers owner made some racist remarks. He has to sell his team and is banned from the NBA for life. He didn't touch anyone. There's no proof that his personal opinions affected his business decisions. Yet he is banned for LIFE. Latrell Sprewell, a black man, choked his white coach. Ron Artest(a black man) ran into the stands and assaulted a white fan. They got suspended for one year. Were allowed back into the league. Why is this white man's words being punished harsher then these black men's actions?

...I'm not even going to...

*exits thread*

#405 Posted by Jonez120 (4733 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik: 30,000 posts. Nice job!

#406 Edited by aquaman01 (1575 posts) - - Show Bio

#407 Posted by mikethekiller (8457 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

The Los Angeles Clippers owner made some racist remarks. He has to sell his team and is banned from the NBA for life. He didn't touch anyone. There's no proof that his personal opinions affected his business decisions. Yet he is banned for LIFE. Latrell Sprewell, a black man, choked his white coach. Ron Artest(a black man) ran into the stands and assaulted a white fan. They got suspended for one year. Were allowed back into the league. Why is this white man's words being punished harsher then these black men's actions?

Can anyone edit this to say conservative tears instead of white tears?

#408 Edited by TheThe (1745 posts) - - Show Bio

Thank you, @rogueshadow and @wolverine08. I concur. I would not have been able to express my point of view with your ease( i cant elaborate my thoughts in english to a certain extent because i'm not that fluent.It's not my mother tongue).

#409 Edited by Erik (33329 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonez120 said:

@erik: 30,000 posts. Nice job!

Holy crap, I missed a milestone moment!

To me!

#410 Posted by pooty (11384 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik: You just summed up every post he has ever made.

Proverbs 14:5

@farkam: Only people I know that use that term are really old white folk who know no better and older black people. He knows the term is considered objectionable in a modern context which is why he is using it, to passively aggressively get reactions out of people with out getting into too much trouble with the mods. Lol.

Right. and people still reply to me like I just started doing it yesterday.

@jonez120: Lol. You're seriously calling black people negroes?

On a good day. On a bad day....

@pooty said:

The Los Angeles Clippers owner made some racist remarks. He has to sell his team and is banned from the NBA for life. He didn't touch anyone. There's no proof that his personal opinions affected his business decisions. Yet he is banned for LIFE. Latrell Sprewell, a black man, choked his white coach. Ron Artest(a black man) ran into the stands and assaulted a white fan. They got suspended for one year. Were allowed back into the league. Why is this white man's words being punished harsher then these black men's actions?

While i do think banned for life is a bit overkill, these comparaisons are out of context because they weren't legit hate crimes but rather provoked assaults.

Also if you look at the cases, they prove that white people have gotten away with the same crime with less punishment. Sprewell

Artest was "provoked" because someone in the stands through a cup at him.. in which case is a warranted butt whooping, no matter the race.

You're right. My comparisons are out of context. because STERLING DIDN'T COMMIT ANY CRIME!! Sprewell choked a coach who didn't touch him aka assault. Artest attacked the wrong person aka assault. Sterling committed no crime yet got the harshest punishment. Bull$hit!!

#411 Edited by YodaPrime (835 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:@erik: You just summed up every post he has ever made.

Proverbs 14:5

@farkam: Only people I know that use that term are really old white folk who know no better and older black people. He knows the term is considered objectionable in a modern context which is why he is using it, to passively aggressively get reactions out of people with out getting into too much trouble with the mods. Lol.

Right. and people still reply to me like I just started doing it yesterday.

@jonez120: Lol. You're seriously calling black people negroes?

On a good day. On a bad day....

@yodaprime said:

@pooty said: The Los Angeles Clippers owner made some racist remarks. He has to sell his team and is banned from the NBA for life. He didn't touch anyone. There's no proof that his personal opinions affected his business decisions. Yet he is banned for LIFE. Latrell Sprewell, a black man, choked his white coach. Ron Artest(a black man) ran into the stands and assaulted a white fan. They got suspended for one year. Were allowed back into the league. Why is this white man's words being punished harsher then these black men's actions?

While i do think banned for life is a bit overkill, these comparaisons are out of context because they weren't legit hate crimes but rather provoked assaults.

Also if you look at the cases, they prove that white people have gotten away with the same crime with less punishment. Sprewell

Artest was "provoked" because someone in the stands through a cup at him.. in which case is a warranted butt whooping, no matter the race.

You're right. My comparisons are out of context. because STERLING DIDN'T COMMIT ANY CRIME!! Sprewell choked a coach who didn't touch him aka assault. Artest attacked the wrong person aka assault. Sterling committed no crime yet got the harshest punishment. Bull$hit!!

A known racist will not be accepted by anyone as an owner. His presence would do more harm than good to the league. Again, Life ban is a bit much, but given that the sport is 80% black, it would have essentially ended up that way regardless of what any officials/commissioners say. Being racist ins't a crime. but being racist and owning a NBA team makes for a very complicated situation. Might have been different if he were just a player.

Personally I think this is in his best interest.. Without a ban, somewhere down the road I can see him getting choked out. Or at the very least be a fair excuse why his team performs poorly.

#412 Posted by pooty (11384 posts) - - Show Bio

@yodaprime: like all big stories in media, if he lays low for awhile it would all go away. people have very short memories. Still, i hear he bought the team for $15M and selling it for $700M. almost like a reward

#413 Posted by Erik (33329 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: Probably my fault because we don't interact that often but I was kidding.

#414 Posted by pooty (11384 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik: All I hear about is your sense of humor. Can't believe I missed it.

#415 Posted by Superlightning123 (1498 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#416 Posted by CuddleBear (1242 posts) - - Show Bio
#417 Posted by Superlightning123 (1498 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#418 Posted by SC (13237 posts) - - Show Bio

@superlightning123: Users shouldn't be bumping threads unless they actually want to add content to a thread or a duplicate happens and thus prompting a reason. So please don't bump this unless you or another user has something to add. Once is more than enough.

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#419 Posted by Knightsofdarkness2 (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

Ugh, I hate racist people. -_-

Anyways, why the heck was this bumped? Lol

#420 Edited by kasino (1785 posts) - - Show Bio

this is hilarious pooty is a riot. some of the things I read on those post are just justifying their views with bottom lined data. with reasons behind them far more complex then given credit for. slavery ended 175 years ago, large number but thats just two 75 year olds back to back. segregation ended 64 but has that meant equality for the last 50 years? all along no group of people being perfect.

the guy was just ignorant. for what is spent on government support there isn't enough black/brown/asian people in the country to be half together...thats where misunderstanding lives. those receiving government support are generalized as hillbilly's when there are just as many city/suburban folk in the same position.

#421 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

Hate speech protected under 1st amendment

#422 Posted by comicace3 (6036 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting.... Who am I kidding. This guy is a riot. Very funny.

#423 Posted by MonsterStomp (19327 posts) - - Show Bio

:O I'm angry, palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy, there's vomit on my sweater already, moms spaghetti, he's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop bombs with me!

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#424 Posted by BlackStarOblivion (319 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

Sorry but dude has some good points. Looking at welfare, incarceration and graduation percentages, black people have NOT come that far as a whole. The government is taking care of a high percentage of blacks. Which makes them lazy. Why work for $8 hr when the government will give you $400 a week for doing nothing. Then when the child sees the parents "getting over" that makes them want to get over and not work for their due. It's a cycle. If it were not for sports and entertainment.... I can only think of a handful of black people that are famous for things other then sports and entertainment. Spike Lee, Bill Cosby have been saying it for years. White people are being taken care of by the government also, no doubt. but at a much lower percentage then black people

I cannot believe this unbelievably racist remark.

Are you kidding me with this garbage?

Allow me to give you some perspective. My father, an African-american man, now retired, was a cook by trade for 50 years. When we lived in Los Angeles (Culver City), he worked at the "Roll and Rye". Not once, in all those years that he worked there, did he EVER miss a day of work. As in NEVER. He was so good at his job, his boss asked him if he wanted to work not only the day shift, but the evening shift as well. He worked there for years. When he decided to move us to another state (Alaska), his boss begged him to stay. Literally begged him stay. Nevertheless, he moved on. He quickly found a job on the "slope", as a cook for a campsite of construction and oil workers on the "North Slope". It was a Teamster's job and it paid Davis-Bacon wages. As most of the workers on the slope do, he worked 12 hours a day seven days a week. Most of those workers worked a rotating shift, usually 4 to 6 weeks "on" and two weeks off. My dad took leave, two weeks a years. He worked the other 50 weeks a year. He did this for 18....EIGHTEEN YEARS.

He NEVER called in sick. EVER. He made about 100, 000 dollars a year. We ultimately moved back to California in a pretty nice neighborhood, with a pool in the back yard, no less. He took money, that HE SAVED UP, and opened his own restaurant. He sold it eight years ago for $600 grand. Not a major franchise, but not bad for a guy raised in racist Texas. He moved to San Antonio and leaves completely off his retirement and his 3200 square foot home is paid for with money that he EARNED.

For anyone that knows a thing about what it takes to run a restaurant, turnover is usually high. Many of his employees were not dependable, either not showing up to work, or showing up high and/or drunk. Except for ONE of these employees, these people were all WHITE.

Incidentally, my dad ran into a guy he worked with, an administrator. My dad inquired about a job that he put in a bid for some years ago, that he didn't get. Would you like to know why he didn't get that particular job? The administrator said: "I didn't want to create any static at the time, but when I suggested your name, they were all gung ho about you...until I told them you were black". One guy told him, "I'm not gonna be responsible for putting any money in the n*&&$%s pockets!". As well, my grandfather, not understanding the importance of education, refused to let my father, or his siblings go to school after the fifth grade, because he felt their help on the farm was more important. So, despite racism and lack of education, my father is a true hero, over coming unbelievable odds to accomplish what he did.

And yes, racism is still alive and well...which is a more accurate description than that Black people are lazy.

So in my opinion, if some African-american's are unemployed as a result of racism, and they "get over", as you put it...more power to them.

I say foot the f(*&%^& bill America!

#425 Posted by CuddleBear (1242 posts) - - Show Bio
@sc said:

@superlightning123: Users shouldn't be bumping threads unless they actually want to add content to a thread or a duplicate happens and thus prompting a reason. So please don't bump this unless you or another user has something to add. Once is more than enough.

i got something to add Comrade SC. What do you think of the CV community posting topics about stuff like this but nothing on this news filled month? "The CV off-topic community: keeping racist rodeo clowns in check" seriously was there even one little ol topic of the prisoner swap?

#426 Posted by pooty (11384 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackstaroblivion: So, despite racism and lack of education, my father is a true hero, over coming unbelievable odds to accomplish what he did.

People of every nationality have started from nothing and achieved some goals. That doesn't make them heroes. That makes them responsible adults. Regardless, according to any reliable, accurate statistics, your fathers example is far to rare to offset the ones who choose to fail

And yes, racism is still alive and well...which is a more accurate description than that Black people are lazy.

Which is more accurate description is a matter of opinion. and I didn't say ALL blacks were lazy. i said the ones who allow the government to take care of them have become lazy

if some African-american's are unemployed as a result of racism, and they "get over", as you put it...more power to them.

This regrettable mind set is,no doubt, part of the problem. To think that any group should be allowed to "get over" is unfortunate

#427 Posted by SSJDarthPlagueis (2574 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought this was over lol!

#428 Posted by BlackStarOblivion (319 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

People of every nationality have started from nothing and achieved some goals. That doesn't make them heroes. That makes them responsible adults.

Not really. Not when he could've just given up like some do. Then the ones that do give up, you call lazy.

I love that logic. Sheer genius. And one of many symptoms of what is wrong with a sick world we live in.

A hero is, in part, an individual that overcomes overwhelming odds successfully. My father is hero as well as responsible. And those of ethnic origins other than European that have been successful in this country are heroes as well.

Regardless, according to any reliable, accurate statistics, your fathers example is far to rare to offset the ones who choose to fail

I love this. They choose to fail.

Let me ask you a question: have they chosen to fail when they aren't given a chance? Or do they simply make the logical choice?

Which is more accurate description is a matter of opinion. and I didn't say ALL blacks were lazy. i said the ones who allow the government to take care of them have become lazy

Pooty, what is your ethnic background?

This regrettable mind set is,no doubt, part of the problem.To think that any group should be allowed to "get over" is unfortunate

Funny how through all this, you never commented on the racism my father experienced ("I'm not gonna be responsible for putting money in that n*&&^%s pockets!).

And I don't think African americans using the system is unfortunate. It's what many do to survive.

And, uh, just throwin' this out there but my wife's sister has been scamming the system for over a decade now. She is as white as snow. Three kids from three different fathers. All white.

In your opinion, is it worse for a white person to be on welfare, or a black person?

Do you have any black friends? Just curious.

#429 Posted by pooty (11384 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackstaroblivion:

Not really. Not when he could've just given up like some do. Then the ones that do give up, you call lazy.

I love that logic. Sheer genius. And one of many symptoms of what is wrong with a sick world we live in.

A hero is, in part, an individual that overcomes overwhelming odds successfully. My father is hero as well as responsible. And those of ethnic origins other than European that have been successful in this country are heroes as well.

I disagree. If you create a good life for yourself then you have done what you are supposed to do. people standards are so low that they expect commendation for taking care of themselves and their family. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO!! Improve the world or community or save lives then i'll call you a hero.....maybe. My father made sure dinner was on the table, a nice home, never beat us. he could have been a dead beat dad but he chose to be a real man. I don't consider him a hero. Maybe my personal hero but not to anyone else. And if you give up you are lazy.

I love this. They choose to fail.

Yes. We need to accept responsibility for our own success and failure. Stop pointing fingers and blaming others.

Let me ask you a question: have they chosen to fail when they aren't given a chance? Or do they simply make the logical choice?

IMO the vast majority of americans are given NUMEROUS chances. very few are not given a chance at all

Pooty, what is your ethnic background?

Neutral/doesn't matter. I believe you can have an honest perspective no matter what race you are.

Funny how through all this, you never commented on the racism my father experienced

Every road to success is littered with obstacles. Racism was his. I had different obstacles. I can't say his obstacles were any worse then mine or any one else's

And I don't think African americans using the system is unfortunate. It's what many do to survive.

sorry to hear that

And, uh, just throwin' this out there but my wife's sister has been scamming the system for over a decade now. She is as white as snow. Three kids from three different fathers. All white.

Going off the little you told me. your sister in law in a whore-ish bum. IMO she is worse then a minority who does it. because of the situation blacks endured for so long i can give them A LITTLE leniency. I have very little respect when a minority person does it. I have no respect when a white person does it. Does that answer surprise you? People call me racist towards minorities because this thread happens to be about black people. make one about white people and they'll call me racist against white people. Shouldn't call a person racist until you hear their thoughts on multiple races. Does that make sense?

In your opinion, is it worse for a white person to be on welfare, or a black person?

Even though i just wrote it above. it makes me so disgusted, i'll say it again. WHITE PEOPLE ON WELFARE IS MUCH WORSE!!!!

Do you have any black friends? Just curious.

I keep a very small tight circle of friends. Do i associate with black people and enjoy their company? yes. do i have a black friend who would be a best man in my wedding? no

#430 Posted by Enemybird (3266 posts) - - Show Bio

Welfare is abused by unethical people, its the unfortunate reality of the human condition. The world isn't perfect and it never will be. In the us black people in particular have been the most abused through recorded history. I've read many slave narratives and it almost brings a tear to my eye to hear the testimony. It may sound like black people are playing up being victims to some but those people are wrong. African Americans worked for almost 2 and a half centuries for free, making the us the most richest nation in the world. The money went to white slave owners and subsequently their children and so on. The disparity of opportunity is staggering. I remember reading that there is a 50% less chance of getting a call back for an interview for simply having a "black" name. That is disgusting. Times are changing our generation is one of progressive thinkers. I am hoping we can all be equal someday. It starts with you.

#431 Edited by BlackStarOblivion (319 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@blackstaroblivion:

"Not really. Not when he could've just given up like some do. Then the ones that do give up, you call lazy.

I love that logic. Sheer genius. And one of many symptoms of what is wrong with a sick world we live in.

A hero is, in part, an individual that overcomes overwhelming odds successfully. My father is hero as well as responsible. And those of ethnic origins other than European that have been successful in this country are heroes as well."

I disagree. If you create a good life for yourself then you have done what you are supposed to do. people standards are so low that they expect commendation for taking care of themselves and their family. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO!! Improve the world or community or save lives then i'll call you a hero.....maybe. My father made sure dinner was on the table, a nice home, never beat us. he could have been a dead beat dad but he chose to be a real man. I don't consider him a hero. Maybe my personal hero but not to anyone else. And if you give up you are lazy.

You disagree because you have no clue what it is like to be on the receiving end of racism. Period. Fathers are supposed to take care of their kids and be responsible....but they should also be able to walk into a job interview without being pre-judged. The fact that my father did it despite such opposition....makes him a hero. Not really concerned about your definition of whether or not you think my father is a hero or not. He is. My uncle, my father's brother worked years for a company. He was passed over every time he applied for a supervisory position. Time and again, he was asked to train new guys....every one of them white....so they could be promoted to positions that he had applied for several times and was passed over in favor of his white contemporaries.

Is your father black? He did what he was supposed to do because he was not discriminated against. My father was discriminated against and was passed over at least once that we know of, because of his skin color. I've mentioned this a few times now and you have completely ignored, presumably so you can just make your point as opposed to accepting the fact that racism is still alive and well...matter of fact...thriving...in this country. Hell, in my opinion I've seen racism get worse and people become more polarized than ever.

White guys go in and apply for a job. As long as they put on a suit and tie and convey a measure of intelligence, they are a solid candidate for the job. If you are black, you have a whole 'nother wall to climb.

"I love this. They choose to fail."

Yes. We need to accept responsibility for our own success and failure. Stop pointing fingers and blaming others.

No. We point the finger at the people who refuse to give a job to a man based on his skin color. That is called injustice. Black men and white men are not on even footing in the work world. Period.

"Let me ask you a question: have they chosen to fail when they aren't given a chance? Or do they simply make the logical choice?"

IMO the vast majority of americans are given NUMEROUS chances. very few are not given a chance at all

I'm not talking about americans. I'm talking about African-americans.

And no, as I've pointed out a few times, based on real world experience, prospective black employees are not on equal footing as prospective black employees.

"Pooty, what is your ethnic background?"

Neutral/doesn't matter. I believe you can have an honest perspective no matter what race you are.

No, you can't. If you have never been on the receiving end of racism, particularly as it relates to being employable, then you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. Watching FOX news or reading about something in a school book doesn't really qualify you to give your opinion on this topic.

I've studied some of the habits of the game of I hunt up here. But I don't think I'm going to offer my perspective to my guide who's been doing it for 30 years.

There's perspective. And there's experience. You have no experience in this specific area.

You do the math.

"Funny how through all this, you never commented on the racism my father experienced"

Every road to success is littered with obstacles. Racism was his. I had different obstacles. I can't say his obstacles were any worse then mine or any one else's

Right. You can't say his experience is any worse than yours because you've never experienced discriminatory practices in the workplace based on your ethnic back ground. It sounds to me as if you really don't have the first clue as a matter of fact.

"And I don't think African americans using the system is unfortunate. It's what many do to survive."

sorry to hear that

You should be. It's tragic.

"And, uh, just throwin' this out there but my wife's sister has been scamming the system for over a decade now. She is as white as snow. Three kids from three different fathers. All white."

Going off the little you told me. your sister in law in a whore-ish bum. IMO she is worse then a minority who does it. because of the situation blacks endured for so long i can give them A LITTLE leniency. I have very little respect when a minority person does it. I have no respect when a white person does it. Does that answer surprise you? People call me racist towards minorities because this thread happens to be about black people. make one about white people and they'll call me racist against white people. Shouldn't call a person racist until you hear their thoughts on multiple races. Does that make sense?

Wow.

I might be offended, but I don't particularly care for my sister-in-law. She is vile in my opinion. But your response is strange. Not sure why you think Blacks can be called lazy in one statement, then say they should be given some leniency in comparison to their white contemporaries. All your previous comments on the subject contradict this notion. And no, your response does not surprise me. Why would it?

What is mildly surprising is that you offer your perspective at all when you aren't black. You don't have the first clue, yet here you are valiantly, staunchly defending your position, when in reality, you don't have the first clue. Because you experienced set backs and obstacles does not fluidly translate to what me, my wife or my father and uncle (among others in my family) experienced.

Your like that kid in high school who actually paid attention in the segment on the Vietnam war and now you're an expert.

In reality you are a clueless wonder, spouting off nonsense.

"In your opinion, is it worse for a white person to be on welfare, or a black person?"

Even though i just wrote it above. it makes me so disgusted, i'll say it again. WHITE PEOPLE ON WELFARE IS MUCH WORSE!!!!

Newsflash: because you think white people are better than black people doesn't make it any worse for them to leach the system.

"Do you have any black friends? Just curious."

I keep a very small tight circle of friends. Do i associate with black people and enjoy their company? yes. do i have a black friend who would be a best man in my wedding? no

And why doesn't this response surprise me.

Pooty, I suspect you keep a small circle of friends because not many people could possibly like you. Feel free to spout off this nonsense on a comic book web site, because any bozo can.

But if you are out in public, particularly if you happen to be in a public place where there are a lot of black people? I suggest you keep your statements to your self.

Have a nice life.

#432 Posted by dngn4774 (3222 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow I totally forgot about this. The former-Clipper's owner stole all of the spotlight away from this story, which is kind of sad because Bundy's rant seemed way more problematic to society.

#433 Posted by Rouflex (19246 posts) - - Show Bio

What i think about this? Its nearly over 9pages...

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