Your thoughts on this racist remark?

@twix_right_side: I didn't feel privileged in my hometown, many people were very bitter towards white people and took it out on me, I wasn't called by my name either, I was simply called "white boy". I was constantly in fear of getting beat up on my way home, which happened quite a bit. The people who hired people there were more often than not, black or Hispanic as well, so I wasn't very privileged then, so I wouldn't make general claims like that.

So I can say the n-word? ;)

Kidding of course. :)

@pooty: yes, which is why I haven't said much lol.

Well,that situation isn't exactly the best example. I understand what you're saying,because he thinks that he's being "relatable,but if he's his friend,then the situation would probably be completely different. I mean,it's happened to me before,but I wouldn't call him racist in the hateful sense,but more in the ignorant,insensitive sense.

And that second statement is SO true. Racism in society (with all types of people,not just whites,or blacks,etc) exists mostly subconsciously for many people.

Um,why not? No one is gonna mug you lol (yes,I'm joking)

I don't think you understood what I mean by privileged. Privileged in this sense doesn't mean that you live on cloud 9,it just means that in comparison to minorities,you have far more advantages,even if they aren't noticeable. What you describe is not uncommon for minorities,at all. For example,if I were to say that white heterosexual males live privileged lives in comparison to a homosexual man/woman,that doesn't mean that he has life easy or free of discrimination (which is probably what you assumed),it just means that in comparison,the homosexual man/woman may have it worse due to the way society is (which is also influenced greatly by history). And unfortunately many people with such bad experiences as yours may have certain thoughts based off of those experiences that may not be....good. For example,it's not uncommon for people that rarely have enough exposure to black people to,with a few bad experiences and first impressions,to think that they are all bad,or to associate people specifically with those bad experiences.

So it's not really a general claim,any more than saying that men have it easier than women in society (in the social/economic sense).

@twix_right_side: men don't have it easier than women in society, I can go crazy with reasons why that is untrue. As for your main point, you can't say that right now, I am more privileged than black people for being white, I wasn't raised in a nice house, I didn't grow up with a father and my mother was never home, I was only able to go to college because of my full ride wrestling scholarship, not because of a rich family. None of my privileges are from being white, they are from hard work and persistence!

@twix_right_side:

You can say whatever you want.. but i think being offensive is a matter of context and inflection

@yodaprime: are you saying a white person can say the n-word without being called racist or having his teeth knocked out?

I don't think you understand what I mean.....you keep bringing up the points that life wasn't easy for you,that it wasn't a cakewalk.

I never claimed that it was,but basically what I meant was that some groups have it harder in society than others. And really? Tell me about how exploited men are in our society,and tell me why women have it so much easier than they do?

Basically,I don't think you understand what is meant by when I say "privilege",I think you take that as "rich and living in a mansion". Not really :)

Hahahaha Get 'em. He pulled this same antic with me. I think what he means is the poor have less of an advantage than the rich.

yea... Louis CK has a few times that im aware of in his stand up and he's still doing pretty well.

Actually,are you referring to "nigga" or "nigger"?

It depends on the context really. A LOT of white people say the former when talking to their friends (whether they be black/white/hispanic,etc),and it's accepted. It basically means "dude" in the context that it's used by people.

The latter,they might think is used in a hateful sense. He isn't going to be robbed or shot for saying it XD

...although it depends on the person that he's talking to. Personally,I won't be offended,and most won't be offended by the former,but the latter is mostly used in a hateful sense,so people might assume so.

i think he has a point.

tho his story at the end is sketchy .. i think it kind of has a slavery undertone but whatever .. i get it. change it to "nigga" and that's pretty much exactly how a black guy would use it.

reiterating context is everything.. when in doubt, you probably shouldn't lol.

Seriously?

You do realize that most,if not all,of what he said was completely unrelated to what I said,so the point(s) were moot.

And yeah,I know,you think that racism isn't real or some bull,I get that.

@twix_right_side: what privilege did I have growing up that my other classmates didn't have? Maybe the privilege of not getting bullied/ beat up constantly by groups of kids?

As for men, have you ever heard of the "disposable male"? That is all men are in the eyes of society, disposable, we are buttered up since birth to not wince at pain, to be the "protector/provider". Women don't get payed less for the same job, it is most of the time for less experience. The prime reason (which doesn't include everybody) is the when women give birth, they tend to be the care givers to the babies (not saying that is right or wrong), which means that the man is still working. When you look at job experience, men and women get payed around the same when their job experience is around the same, the problem is, men tend to have more experience on thier respective jobs and tend to work full time instead of part time.

Dude what are you talking about? I'm black and I live in Florida. I KNOW racism exists! But I also know that society does not support racism. Society does not hate blacks or think blacks are not worthy of rights. Which is what you literally think.

@marvel_boy2241: good point

idk if it's obvious now.. but i'm really big on comedy.. lol

Thanks bra. *high five*

@yodaprime: @marvel_boy2241: this is a video I have been referencing a bit from.

I am on my ipad so I have to give the URL

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sGn6PdmIo

That's what I literally think? uh huh.

Good for you. I'm black and I also live in Florida. And yes,society looks down on racism,good for them. But the fact of the matter is that it mostly exists subconsciously,and mostly depicts certain ideas of certain people. You know,the same way that society is totally for female rights,even though most women in forms of media or shows would usually wear next to nothing.

In a general sense. In society. You cannot use your classmates as a measuring stick for what happens in society. You don't think that,in general (on a wider scale) that that doesn't happen more to minority kids,or to homsexual kids? Because it does. It has,and it still does (again,not saying that it DOESN'T happen to white kids for the same reason,but in general,it's the other way around). You most likely aren't (not saying that it hasn't happened,so pay attention to my wording) going to be suspected of mugging someone,or robbing a store,or anything of the sort. You most likely aren't going to be suspected of being a criminal. People (not talking about all) don't just randomly cross the street when a group of black people approach just because they like the other pavement better....or maybe they do or something.

A lot of things disagree with you,my friend.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/labor/news/2012/04/16/11391/the-top-10-facts-about-the-wage-gap/

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/upshot/the-pay-gap-is-because-of-gender-not-jobs.html?_r=0

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jillian-berman/yes-by-any-way-you-measur_b_4725356.html

And by the same token,men are seen as strong,as leaders,as people in authority. Women are seen as weak even though men are generally stronger),effeminate,and delicate. That's why many women that are,let's say,construction workers,or business owners,or electricians,or whatever are seen as "Butch's" and people say that they act "boyish". That entire method of thinking should be abandoned by society. It's not as one-sided as you think,but you are right about men being expected to hide their feelings and all of that. It's true.

But it also effects women,and possibly more so.

It's not really a good point. He almost quite literally missed the point of,well,our entire conversation.

Unless you're talking about his "living in Florida..." point. But I am not sure if a lot of people doubt that racism exists. Any more so than the people that doubt that the Holocaust wasn't as big as it was.

@aquaman01 It was a joke,dude.

@twix_right_side: I would disagree with basically everything you said, you cannot say a black man that dresses the way I do would be suspected of criminal activity. It has a lot to do with the gang like clothing a lot of inner city minorities wear that creates suspicion. It is more of embracing an image rather than simply racism. There are many factors you and other people look over and omit.

As for women, men who dance, or join the cheer leading team are deemed girly, that is a double standard.

@twix_right_side: it think he made a good point, you can keep saying that it isn't addressing your point, but it did with the information you provided.

seems legit

@yodaprime: it is, that man is a genius.

That video is fresh. I like that guy. He's so educated sounding. @twix_right_side Watch the vdeo lol. Tell me if you enjoy it? :D

1. Yes,as I said. It goes both ways.

2. So they cannot wear any type of clothing they please because of people's ignorance and close-minded thinking?

And you do realize that it doesn't just effect those people. I NEVER wear those type of clothes (not really my style) and people still suspect me of stealing things,watching over my neck in the store (which has made me become paranoid and self-conscious a lot more than I need to be),etc. And it mostly happens to minorities. And yes,they are. You cannot make the claim that every one that is suspected of such things is because of their clothing. That's ridiculous. Clothing DOES play a role (but it shouldn't),but race does as well. You cannot ignore and omit that simple fact.

So are you telling me that racial profiling,police brutality,etc are all justified based off of "they look like thugs based on how they dress,thus they must actually be thugs"? I know that you most likely aren't saying that,but you must be saying that that is what people will think,and is how some people think. That is just an example of the exact behavior that I am talking about,though. It's like suspecting a person that likes certain music,like rap,to be "ghetto" (as some people like to call it)...even though I don't like rap.

@twix_right_side: lol I know. I thought it was funny :) I meant that picture to be a cute thing. Realized that it was more of a sarcastic picture too late, sorry! :)

Um....okay?

EDIT: The title already makes me incredibly skeptical,and the fact that you want me to watch it has made me a bit cautious....

@aquaman01 said:

@twix_right_side: lol I know. I thought it was funny :) I meant that picture to be a cute thing. Realized that it was more of a sarcastic picture too late, sorry! :)

No problem :)

I love dogs anyway

@twix_right_side said:

Brace yourself. I'm on you.

Ooooh no you don't. You make claims about society as a whole. Don't change up what you said. Your original conclusion was that society truly is racist and that society actually shows this racism and that this racism can be observed. If that were true then we would see a lot more of it. Racists are looked down upon in our society. Nobody likes them.

You didn't say "Racism exists subconsciously" (And by the way wtf does that even mean. How can you tell what someone's subconscious is like? smh) You clearly said that this society is racist/sexist against women.

Oh and don't even get me started on the fact that you still have not acknowledged that lieyou told, claiming that I believe racism is nonexistent. You obviously didn't know wtf you were talking about. In one breath you claim that society looks down upon racism, yet in the next you claim that society still is racist. Oh wait subconsciously. lmfao gtfo

And then you go on about this woman thing. Who cares if women dress like sluts in the media? That's only certain media. Not all media. Do women not wear clothes on other channels? Are women being forced to do this stuff? NO! They aren't. They choose. And depending on where they are they will/wont get ridiculed. You don't even understand the concept of sexism, if you think that is sexist. Men wear next to nothing too sometimes, where does that leave your point now?

Oh lawdy.

@twix_right_side: Dogs are my favorite animals! I have 3 at my parent's house. Though, I do love all animals. I actually love the "ugly" dogs the most. Chihuahua's are some of the most beautiful dogs ever!

@aquaman01 said:

@twix_right_side: Dogs are my favorite animals! I have 3 at my parent's house. Though, I do love all animals. I actually love the "ugly" dogs the most. Chihuahua's are some of the most beautiful dogs ever!

I love Chihuahua's,too :D

And other animals,but I guess I have a weak(er) spot for dogs

Racism still exist. But nearly EVERYONE is discriminated against for some reason. Blacks, gays, women, fat people, immigrants, rich people, poor people, atheist, gingers, nerds etc. So in the end it all comes down to you!! If you want to be successful, you will encounter some discrimination. If you let discrimination in any form stop you, you didn't deserve to be successful in the first place. Stop bitching and move past it

@twix_right_side: smh I'm on you.

Racism is looked down upon. True. And you do realize that,on a day-to-day basis people always dismiss racist things as people just "pulling the race card". And society,our society (and others) have beliefs that are rooted in racism. We don't just have a history deeply rooted in racism and segregation,all for it to vanish in a few years because of protests.

Because sometimes people really do pull out the race-card. Listen to yourself. Stay with me. According to your:" Our society looks down upon racism. But our society is deeply rooted in racism." Ok, genius, those two things are exclusive. You cannot be completely rooted in racism yet also despise racism.

I guess what you're trying to say is that our society has a racist past. Remnants of past racists can be observed even in modern times. That makes sense. But that doesn't mean our society is racist. It means that a few people in our society are stuck in the past but still do not represent us as a whole. It's so sad that I have to phrase your "arguments" in a more sensible way smh.

And that's true. Unless you have a different definition of racist/sexist. And really? Their subconscious judgement. The one that influences one's actions/feelings,but in which are not fully aware of. And are you referring to that other thread? The one where I explicitly told you that you were misunderstanding pretty much...everything I said? Um,perhaps based off of certain actions,behaviors,things they say,etc?? It depends on the person,though.

I'm not misunderstanding anything. This whole ;'subconscious" thing is a cop out because you do not want to admit the flaw in your argument. Rather than admit it, you want to change it. You clearly said society is racist. Thaat's it. Now you want to add into it as if to clarify.

Oh and don't even get me started on the fact that you still have not acknowledged that lieyou told, claiming that I believe racism is nonexistent. You obviously didn't know wtf you were talking about. In one breath you claim that society looks down upon racism, yet in the next you claim that society still is racist. Oh wait subconsciously. lmfao gtfo

This is why I didn't want to talk to you. You not only mock me,but you completely take everything I say out of context. That was our communication problem in the other thread.

Um have you not heard the way you talk to me? Your not the most respectful guy. What I said about you is valid. When you claim things with no backing, that make no sense, then you don't. know. wtf. you're. talking. about. and will mock your for that because on the off chance someone actually agreed with this bs, maybe they will change their minds.

That was,wait for it,an exaggeration. Of course I cannot claim that you literally believe that racism is nonexistent,when I don't know you.

Uh no it wasn't. You didn't exaggerate. You clearly said what you meant. You do this a lot. When someone calls you on your bs, you change your argument. You clearly thought that I didn't believe racism existed.

And yeah,I obviously don't.Which is why you,a person that doesn't know anything about me,or my views,can make such a claim.

Oh god why. I do know your views. I do know you think. Because you post these arguments and points for everyone to see. You clearly think that this society as a whole is racist. That is a view.

Also,are you serious? Our current generation doesn't look at racism as pretty. But at the same time,there are still influences in our society because of the past. These subtle little tidbits still exist in a lot of people (if not,a lot of it exists in many people,like...direct hate).

Yes I'm serious. And no. Society is not racist. And you admit that. All this is, is a cop out. I mean, at this point you aren't really making any arguments. Your just trying to fit in this little piece of bs, saying that society is just a little racist. It has small little showing of racism. or Society looks down upon racism yes but it is still somehow racist.

How about this? Next time,before you completely misread my points,you ASK for clarification before you "lmfao".

Your points are pretty obvious. They are not complex. You just constantly change them.

I never said "all media". I don't see women wearing that on the news. And apparently you haven't seen a lot of music videos,or other outlets of entertainment. I don't understand the concept of sexism? I love how you failed to point out a lie in when I said "you don't believe racism exists",and at the same time,you've made 2 baseless claims about me. Don't even start. I don't have time for this same back-forth nonsense that you started on the other thread. Either send me a PM,or don't waste my damn time.....and I doubt if you'll even send a PM,for which reason I don't know

First of all if women dressing like sluts is something exclusive to certain forms of media, within certain artists, on certain programs, HOW is that reflective on society? If it is that isolated, then how can you say that the majority of society views women this way.

And then you still don't even acknowledge the core flaw with your argument. smh Women aren't forced to do any of that stuff. They aren't expected by society, strictly by men. If they were, THEN you could consider this society sexist against women. Until then hold you tongue.

I wont send you a PM because I don't want to talk to you in private. i want everyone to see this bs. Just in case they have the same arguments as you.

pwned

.....Yeah,this is exactly what I'm talking about. You did this same shit in the other thread (especially that childish "pwned" thing).Very little of what you said was relevant to my views (and A LOT of it was not only taken out of context,but completely false and missed the point of what I said...you then completely misrepresent my views),and most of it was assumption about me.....but how would I know? It's not like I WROTE IT with specific intentions in my own head.

So I'll just end it here. Of course,you might say that I'm "backing out" or something,and since you seem to know me better than I do,then whatever. After all,my whole argument here (at least,the subconscious part) is just a "cop out",even though it isn't and you fail to explain why....in fact,it's like you completely misread what I said,but okay.Think what you will. I hope people really see this. I REALLY hope they do.

Because instead of even taking the time to read anything that I've said,you've just taken the moment to jump right in and argue....but again,it's clear that you know me SO MUCH better than I do (me and my ridiculous nonsense),so who cares what I think? Agree to disagree,I guess.

EDIT: And by the way,I suggested a PM because,if you truly want to see my points (and likewise,I see yours),then a PM is the best way to do so,especially when things from our last conversation are brought up,and most people will have no idea what it's in reference to. Basically,if you truly want to exchange thoughts,a PM is better to do so (in my opinion). But it seems as if we are just arguing for the sake of it.

@marvel_boy2241: you make me happy, it is nice to see someone else who is talking with sense, I felt like I was psycho for a bit.

I agree to an extent, but the legislation would be more efficient if it dealt with discrimination based on race and looks in the application process; for a speech impediment, it can be improved for discrimination based upon perceived disability or national origin; for example, are there any any real points to insisting on an in person interview, except to discriminate based upon looks? I think discrimination based upon looks is becoming a form of discrimination that's overlapping with race discrimination, and starting to overtake it, due to the slow progress in eradicating race discrimination, but discrimination based upon looks probably predates race based discrimination, where it's blatant and nothing is being done about it. This bill would be very helpful for women, in say a reverse discrimination based upon looks type thing, but it's mostly geared towards protecting people from being discriminated against for things like being fat or considered ugly by some or most; but, for women, by implication, it could be used for perhaps the woman thinking that she was let go for looking to good.

The OJT component than could help people who've been looking for work for 99 weeks or longer and need to refine their skills to reenter the workforce; for anyone else, this OJT program should be in those rare occasions where someone may have been laid off because their position was abolished.

Yo what part of Florida you from. I live in Miami.

@twix_right_side: watch it, it debunks the very claims you made.

Sunrise (were you talking to me,or the other guy?)

In terms of what?

And besides,I am not sure if our conversation has really gotten anywhere anyway.....

@twix_right_side: well, only if you think that, watch the video and you will see how your statements were sprouted upon misinformation. Ignore it if your don't care.

Nah,I won't ignore it. I'll watch it later today,okay?

@twix_right_side: Ha Ha Ha *sigh* Notice how you say i took things out of context yet can't explain how. You quit because you can't actually beat me in an argument. Like I said our society is not racist. They are a minority. Next time leave your bs away from where I can see it. Good day sir.

Dude remember back when i had like one post? When I tried to debate you from my very first thread? Look how far I've come. We da best!

Saint Pete

Tell that to twix_wrong_side. lol

It's actually funny because I believe the same things,and me and pooty had a delightful conversation in a PM,but whatever. This truly does make me question if you have read anything that I said,or if you just consciously ignored them for the sake of argument,but whatever. You know me better than I do,clearly,so whatev's!

And I can't explain how? I actually did,but clearly you didn't pay attention.

Yup...that's why I "quit"...because "I cannot beat you in a debate". If that's what you tell yourself,then good for you. Because you know me so much better than I do. Our society is NOT racist. It's actually the EXACT opposite! You've definitely convinced me!

And LOL,that was so clever what you did with my name!

@marvel_boy2241: yeah I do, and the infamous "I'm on you" struck fear in people's eye's.