pardon me if a dare to tackle such a deep issue..
okay, the situation goes something like this.. you were born at the same time our lord Jesus Christ was born.. and you are one of the spectators watching as he was put into trial and tortured.. then a high ranking Roman official saw you, and asked you a deep yet meaningful question: "Would you gladly take his place and die for him?"
what do you thing your answer would be?
Would you die for Him?
I would if I could but I couldn't.
If I was nailed upon that cross, it wouldn't have made any difference for mankind, and I would've been just another sad story in the pages of history.
" I would if I could but I couldn't. If I was nailed upon that cross, it wouldn't have made any difference for mankind, and I would've been just another sad story in the pages of history. "A perfect answer.
Tough question. God's plan was for Jesus to die on the cross for humankind. If I took his place, wouln't that alter God's plan?
Unless of course me dying on the cross was God's plan, in which case It still wouldn't be my decision,, because it it's Gods plan I would feel the urge to replace Jesus on the cross.
Based on the scenario given, I don't think I would. I mean, if I was just one of the spectators, I probably would be on the people's side. I wouldn't have known any better. Like Jesus said, "they know not what they do."
I think anyone saying they would isn't thinking about the question.
If you'd been asked...
"Beliefing what you do now, today, 2010, if you traveled back in time to and would you die for him?"
Then maybe you could say yes.
Most people in at the time would not. They'd have their own lifes to live.
Someone please start an Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu or even Scientology thread.
If people wanna talk religion can't it be done on a christian site or at least be a little balanced?
I'm an atheist and personally find it very hard to not join in on these debates. I'm pretty diplomatic but it's sometimes hard and frustrating not to point out that people are building there believe systems on a fairy tale.
Sorry if that offends.
" I would if I could but I couldn't. If I was nailed upon that cross, it wouldn't have made any difference for mankind, and I would've been just another sad story in the pages of history. "
Jesus is just an example of the a Godman character from a long list that includes Hercules, Osiris and many others.
All of whom anyone building their believes around today would be called crazy.
" @Aronmorales said:Agreed." I would if I could but I couldn't. If I was nailed upon that cross, it wouldn't have made any difference for mankind, and I would've been just another sad story in the pages of history. "A perfect answer. "
" I would, but only if it would've prevented other religions from rising up. "The thing is only Jesus could have handled wat they did to him. He had a choice of whether or not he would go through the whole thing, anybody else would've died.
Wow I'm agnostic and I understand Christianity better then you Christians. Good old Josh had a mission, he was allegedly sent to die for our sins so if he doesn't die we all burn in hell.
" @d0npierre said:This has no intent of dissing you or your religion. But I'm pretty sure I could've done the same as Jesus then and I can name some other men who could've done what he did. Maybe the question is, who would want to do that?" I would, but only if it would've prevented other religions from rising up. "The thing is only Jesus could have handled wat they did to him. He had a choice of whether or not he would go through the whole thing, anybody else would've died. "
" I think anyone saying they would isn't thinking about the question. If you'd been asked... "Beliefing what you do now, today, 2010, if you traveled back in time to and would you die for him?" Then maybe you could say yes. Most people in at the time would not. They'd have their own lifes to live. Someone please start an Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu or even Scientology thread. If people wanna talk religion can't it be done on a christian site or at least be a little balanced? I'm an atheist and personally find it very hard to not join in on these debates. I'm pretty diplomatic but it's sometimes hard and frustrating not to point out that people are building there believe systems on a fairy tale. Sorry if that offends. "Same here >_> It's so tempting...
" @cascadeking09 said:Maybe I should explain. I dont remeber exactly how it went, but all I remember is that he didnt have to do the whole cross thing. He had a choice. They whipped him untill there was hardly any skin left on his body. Once they were done he didnt even look human anymore. No normal person could have survived the beating they gave him long enough to be put up on the cross." @d0npierre said:This has no intent of dissing you or your religion. But I'm pretty sure I could've done the same as Jesus then and I can name some other men who could've done what he did. Maybe the question is, who would want to do that? "" I would, but only if it would've prevented other religions from rising up. "The thing is only Jesus could have handled wat they did to him. He had a choice of whether or not he would go through the whole thing, anybody else would've died. "
Do I have the knowledge of history I have now(ie say I was sent back in time.) Jesus' whole life was all about His crucifixion and death for our sins. So, should I risk all of our sins and make Jesus' whole life pointless just to save him? OR should I allow my Messiah to die at cross, knowing full well I could've saved Him. Either answer would be rather selfish of me and beyond my jurisdiction to make. Jesus knew what He was in for and accepted said consequences for the betterment of mankind. Right now, it's up to us as to what we do with it, lest we make His death pointless. I would rather look Him in the eyes, and see the passion within His soul to do this for us. This way, I would know I did something: I saw the true meaning love for one's fellow man and could hopefully pass this onto others.
If I died for him, you all might as well kill yourselves now, because you'd be burning in hell for all eternity anyway.
" @d0npierre said:Still I beg to differ. I don't really believe in magic, ghosts or super beings (see the pun?). He might have been an extraordinary man but he won't be the only guy to withstand such torture. If you would look at people now and then. The average man has grown, lives longer and is stronger then any man 2000 years ago. If he could've done it then, now we would have 1000 people at least who could pull that off. Seeing as we, last time I checked, tripled the number of humans on this little ball o' mud." @cascadeking09 said:Maybe I should explain. I dont remeber exactly how it went, but all I remember is that he didnt have to do the whole cross thing. He had a choice. They whipped him untill there was hardly any skin left on his body. Once they were done he didnt even look human anymore. No normal person could have survived the beating they gave him long enough to be put up on the cross. "" @d0npierre said:This has no intent of dissing you or your religion. But I'm pretty sure I could've done the same as Jesus then and I can name some other men who could've done what he did. Maybe the question is, who would want to do that? "" I would, but only if it would've prevented other religions from rising up. "The thing is only Jesus could have handled wat they did to him. He had a choice of whether or not he would go through the whole thing, anybody else would've died. "
" @cascadeking09 said:So u're sayin u think u can survive being whipped until there's no skin left on your body, having your hands and feet nailed to a cross, and stuck in a cave for days? I dont care wat u believe in there's no way u or any other person would survive days after all that. U would've bled to death by that time. Im not trying to ask u to believe anything, but I dont understand wat makes u think anyone could survive that." @d0npierre said:Still I beg to differ. I don't really believe in magic, ghosts or super beings (see the pun?). He might have been an extraordinary man but he won't be the only guy to withstand such torture. If you would look at people now and then. The average man has grown, lives longer and is stronger then any man 2000 years ago. If he could've done it then, now we would have 1000 people at least who could pull that off. Seeing as we, last time I checked, tripled the number of humans on this little ball o' mud. "" @cascadeking09 said:Maybe I should explain. I dont remeber exactly how it went, but all I remember is that he didnt have to do the whole cross thing. He had a choice. They whipped him untill there was hardly any skin left on his body. Once they were done he didnt even look human anymore. No normal person could have survived the beating they gave him long enough to be put up on the cross. "" @d0npierre said:This has no intent of dissing you or your religion. But I'm pretty sure I could've done the same as Jesus then and I can name some other men who could've done what he did. Maybe the question is, who would want to do that? "" I would, but only if it would've prevented other religions from rising up. "The thing is only Jesus could have handled wat they did to him. He had a choice of whether or not he would go through the whole thing, anybody else would've died. "
" @d0npierre said:In fact my question for you is this. Do you believe that Jesus had God helping him or that he is a man with an enormous endurance?" @cascadeking09 said:So u're sayin u think u can survive being whipped until there's no skin left on your body, having your hands and feet nailed to a cross, and stuck in a cave for days? I dont care wat u believe in there's no way u or any other person would survive days after all that. U would've bled to death by that time. Im not trying to ask u to believe anything, but I dont understand wat makes u think anyone could survive that. "" @d0npierre said:Still I beg to differ. I don't really believe in magic, ghosts or super beings (see the pun?). He might have been an extraordinary man but he won't be the only guy to withstand such torture. If you would look at people now and then. The average man has grown, lives longer and is stronger then any man 2000 years ago. If he could've done it then, now we would have 1000 people at least who could pull that off. Seeing as we, last time I checked, tripled the number of humans on this little ball o' mud. "" @cascadeking09 said:Maybe I should explain. I dont remeber exactly how it went, but all I remember is that he didnt have to do the whole cross thing. He had a choice. They whipped him untill there was hardly any skin left on his body. Once they were done he didnt even look human anymore. No normal person could have survived the beating they gave him long enough to be put up on the cross. "" @d0npierre said:This has no intent of dissing you or your religion. But I'm pretty sure I could've done the same as Jesus then and I can name some other men who could've done what he did. Maybe the question is, who would want to do that? "" I would, but only if it would've prevented other religions from rising up. "The thing is only Jesus could have handled wat they did to him. He had a choice of whether or not he would go through the whole thing, anybody else would've died. "
Because in the first case you're telling me that no mortal man alive could withstand such tremendous torture and only through Godlike intervention anyone could survive this. In the second, you believe that Jesus was a mortal man with an abnormal endurance and a freak healing factor.
Whatever the answer will be, it couldn't hurt to think that maybe these stories are a bit exaggerated, like most of the stories in the Bible.
Which, offcourse, doesn't say I don't respect you choice of believing. It brings values to countless live and made monuments being build that still appeal to the imagination.
" @cascadeking09 said:In the bible it says that Jesus was 100% god and at the same time 100% man. So technically he was God. I remember learning in my world history class that the facts were everything I told u. Even If somebody were to survive the torture they put him through they would also have to survive being shut up in a cave with no food and no water for more than just a few days. Its true that some of this could be exaggerated, but it depends wat u choose to believe. In my mind theres no way any regular person could survive that so I do believe it had somethin to do with God, but to someone else that doesnt believe in things like that most of it would seem completely made up." @d0npierre said:In fact my question for you is this. Do you believe that Jesus had God helping him or that he is a man with an enormous endurance? Because in the first case you're telling me that no mortal man alive could withstand such tremendous torture and only through Godlike intervention anyone could survive this. In the second, you believe that Jesus was a mortal man with an abnormal endurance and a freak healing factor. Whatever the answer will be, it couldn't hurt to think that maybe these stories are a bit exaggerated, like most of the stories in the Bible. Which, offcourse, doesn't say I don't respect you choice of believing. It brings values to countless live and made monuments being build that still appeal to the imagination. "" @cascadeking09 said:So u're sayin u think u can survive being whipped until there's no skin left on your body, having your hands and feet nailed to a cross, and stuck in a cave for days? I dont care wat u believe in there's no way u or any other person would survive days after all that. U would've bled to death by that time. Im not trying to ask u to believe anything, but I dont understand wat makes u think anyone could survive that. "" @d0npierre said:Still I beg to differ. I don't really believe in magic, ghosts or super beings (see the pun?). He might have been an extraordinary man but he won't be the only guy to withstand such torture. If you would look at people now and then. The average man has grown, lives longer and is stronger then any man 2000 years ago. If he could've done it then, now we would have 1000 people at least who could pull that off. Seeing as we, last time I checked, tripled the number of humans on this little ball o' mud. "" @cascadeking09 said:Maybe I should explain. I dont remeber exactly how it went, but all I remember is that he didnt have to do the whole cross thing. He had a choice. They whipped him untill there was hardly any skin left on his body. Once they were done he didnt even look human anymore. No normal person could have survived the beating they gave him long enough to be put up on the cross. "" @d0npierre said:This has no intent of dissing you or your religion. But I'm pretty sure I could've done the same as Jesus then and I can name some other men who could've done what he did. Maybe the question is, who would want to do that? "" I would, but only if it would've prevented other religions from rising up. "The thing is only Jesus could have handled wat they did to him. He had a choice of whether or not he would go through the whole thing, anybody else would've died. "
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