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#1 Edited by russellmania77 (14401 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers, age of ultron, and infinity (possible title) will be the most successful financial trilogy films of all time? What do you think?

#2 Posted by AweSam (7360 posts) - - Show Bio

Avatar >.>

#3 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4595 posts) - - Show Bio

In the words of my cousin O.V.O.

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#4 Posted by danhimself (22210 posts) - - Show Bio

what is the current most successful trilogy?

#5 Posted by Manchine (3859 posts) - - Show Bio

Matters how Number II does. If it does even close to what Avengers did (which so far has been the best superhero movie to date) then the answer is and easy

yes.

#6 Edited by Fallschirmjager (14685 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

what is the current most successful trilogy?

Lord of the Rings has about a 2.9 billion total worldwide box office gross, without 3D.

Considering they made all 3 LotR movies for 90 million each - no one is going to beat that.

Return of the King won several academy awards too.

#7 Posted by LyraFay (2408 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe or maybe not. Will the superhero movie still be relevant when the third comes out?

#8 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

@russellmania77 said:

Avengers, age of ultron, and infinity (possible title) will be the most successful financial trilogy films of all time? What do you think?

For real or with the fixed numbers they do?

Hollywood numbers keep getting bigger even when they sell less tickets every year.

Due to the long-term effects of inflation, notably the significant increase of movie theater ticket prices, the list unadjusted for inflation gives far more weight to later films.[12] The unadjusted list, while commonly found in the press, is therefore largely meaningless for comparing films widely separated in time, as many films from earlier eras will never appear on a modern unadjusted list, despite achieving higher commercial success when adjusted for price increases.

The measuring system for gauging a film's success is based on unadjusted grosses, mainly because historically this is the way it has always been done due to the practices of the film industry: the box office receipts are compiled by theaters and relayed to the distributor, which in turn releases them to the media.[20] Converting to a more representative system that counts ticket sales rather than gross is also fraught with problems due to the fact that the only data available for older films are the sale totals.[16] As the motion picture industry is highly oriented towards marketing currently released films, unadjusted figures are always used in marketing campaigns so that new blockbuster films can much more easily achieve a high sales ranking, and thus be promoted as a "top film of all time",[14][21] so there is little incentive to switch to a more robust analysis from a marketing or even newsworthy point of view.[20]

Star Wars A New Hope Stomps The Avengers in Tickets Sales and in Adjusted Gross.

Episode 5 and 6 also sold more that Avengers.

Star Wars original trilogy is too big to be taken down.

#9 Posted by danhimself (22210 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

what is the current most successful trilogy?

Lord of the Rings has about a 2.9 billion total worldwide box office gross, without 3D.

Considering they made all 3 LotR movies for 90 million each - no one is going to beat that.

Return of the King won several academy awards too.

is that including dvd and blu-ray sales?

#10 Posted by Fallschirmjager (14685 posts) - - Show Bio
#11 Posted by russellmania77 (14401 posts) - - Show Bio
#12 Posted by danhimself (22210 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself: no. box office only

ok...just did a search and looking at the top ten highest grossing list...Avengers already has them all beat individually...if the next two do as well then they'll easily beat them combined

#13 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000: so guessing from reading the last sentence of your novel its a NO

No since Avatar by itself stomped The Avengers and No since the real numbers show movies are selling less tickets.

#14 Posted by Fallschirmjager (14685 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000: you're quite wrong.

adjusting for inflation the original star wars trilogy is only at 2.7 billion. That doesn't even beat LotR. And A New Hope is only 1.3 billion adjusting for inflation, which is less than Avengers too.

#15 Edited by Fallschirmjager (14685 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself: it was also in 3D and costed nearly as much as all 3 films combined to make

just saying.

#16 Posted by danhimself (22210 posts) - - Show Bio

@russellmania77 said:

@deathpoolthet1000: so guessing from reading the last sentence of your novel its a NO

No since Avatar by itself stomped The Avengers and No since the real numbers show movies are selling less tickets.

my guess right now is that Avatar 2 won't do nearly as well as the first...they've waited way to long to bring the second film out and they aren't even going to start filming the 2nd film until October of next year

#17 Posted by XxEdward_KenwayXx (439 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think the avengers will be a trilogy. Marvel will probably make like 5 avengers movies. But if it does turn out to be a trilogy then maybe it'll be the best financially. But they'll be mediocre quality, considering the first one was nowhere near oscar worthy. So that means that the original Star Wars trilogy and The Lord of the rings trilogy will always be the best when talking about quality.

#18 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000: you're quite wrong.

adjusting for inflation the original star wars trilogy is only at 2.7 billion. That doesn't even beat LotR. And A New Hope is only 1.3 billion adjusting for inflation, which is less than Avengers too.

No they adjusted this for only one movie.

Star Wars a New Hope was called Star Wars alone when it came out, this is what make the confusion on the numbers.

All the websites point a New Hope to be the second place.

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

You could notice the whole original trilogy is in the top 20, then Lotr is way down, at the place 52.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films

The number they point is not franchise, if you click in their link of Star Wars it sends you to a New Hope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_IV:_A_New_Hope

Box office

Star Wars remains one of the most financially successful films of all time. The film earned $1,554,475 through its opening weekend ($5.99 million in today's terms), building up to $7 million weekends as it entered wide release ($27 million in today's terms).[3] It replaced Jaws as the highest-earning film in North America just six months into release,[81] eventually earning over $220 million during its initial theatrical run ($848 million in today's terms).[82]Star Wars entered international release towards the end of the year, and in 1978 added the worldwide record to its domestic one,[83] earning $410 million in total.[84] Reissues in 1978, 1979, 1981, and 1982 brought its cumulative gross in Canada and the U.S. to $323 million,[85] and extended its global earnings to $530 million.[86] The film remained the highest-grossing film of all time until E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial broke that record in 1983.[87]

750 Million bucks from the 70s, almost a billion buck from the 70s, this puts above the 2 billions mark.

Following the release of the Special Edition in 1997,[88]Star Wars briefly reclaimed the North American record before losing it again the following year to Titanic.[89] In total, the film has earned $775,398,007 worldwide (including $460,998,007 in North America alone).[3] Adjusted for inflation, it has earned over $2.5 billion worldwide at 2011 prices, making it the most successful franchise film of all time.[90]According to the Guinness World Records, the film ranks as the third-highest-grossing film when adjusting for inflation;[91] at the North American box office, it ranks second behind Gone with the Wind on theinflation-adjusted list.[92]

#19 Edited by Fallschirmjager (14685 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000: @danhimself: actually I apologise guys. I just double checked the numbers

adjusted for 2013 inflation

Star Wars Original Trilogy - 5.6 billion+ (worldwide)

Lord of the Rings Trilogy - 4.1 billion+ (worldwide)

A New hope by itself adjusted for 2013 inflation made 2.8 billion dollars. (worldwide)

so yeah. Star Wars stomps. And we haven't even discussed 3D yet.

#20 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000: @danhimself: actually I apologise guys. I just double checked the numbers

adjusted for inflation

Star Wars Original Trilogy - 5.6 billion+

Lord of the Rings Trilogy - 4.1 billion+

A New hope by itself adjusted for 2013 inflation made 2.8 billion dollars.

so yeah. Star Wars stomps. And we haven't even discussed 3D yet.

Star Wars is too big, just too big for his own good.

Also dont worry, once i was talking with a crazy Lotr fan, i show him the number and he keep Lotr made more money.

Yeah, without 3D Avengers numbers dont looks that amazing, it muts made pretty much the same number TDK did.

#21 Edited by Fallschirmjager (14685 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000: yeah. i should have just ran the numbers myself first instead of trusting wikipedia :P

i like star wars more than lotr, i just trusted a unreliable source like a nub ;)

#22 Posted by Yokergeist (12355 posts) - - Show Bio

We will wait and see.

#23 Posted by danhimself (22210 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager said:

@deathpoolthet1000: @danhimself: actually I apologise guys. I just double checked the numbers

adjusted for inflation

Star Wars Original Trilogy - 5.6 billion+

Lord of the Rings Trilogy - 4.1 billion+

A New hope by itself adjusted for 2013 inflation made 2.8 billion dollars.

so yeah. Star Wars stomps. And we haven't even discussed 3D yet.

Star Wars is too big, just too big for his own good.

Also dont worry, once i was talking with a crazy Lotr fan, i show him the number and he keep Lotr made more money.

Yeah, without 3D Avengers numbers dont looks that amazing, it muts made pretty much the same number TDK did.

does that factor in the fact that both the Star Wars trilogy and LotR trilogy were both in theaters more than once or is just the numbers for their first release?

#24 Edited by Fallschirmjager (14685 posts) - - Show Bio
#25 Edited by Vaeternus (9346 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope. Not topping lotr and sw Imo

Besides there are other good ones too like more im sure BTTF, terminator, transformers, reboot of planet of the apes. To name a few offhand.

BTW, LOTR worldwide has made more money then SW has...

TOP 100 FILMS

OF ALL-TIME

(Worldwide Gross)*

  1. Avatar (2009)
  2. Titanic (1997)
  3. Marvel's The Avengers (2012)
  4. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 2 (2011)
  5. Iron Man 3 (2013)
  6. Transformers: Dark of the Moon (2011)
  7. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003)
  8. Skyfall (2012)
  9. The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
  10. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (2006)
  11. Toy Story 3 (2010)
  12. Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides (2011)
  13. Jurassic Park (1993)
  14. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999)
  15. Alice in Wonderland (2010)
  16. The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (2012)
  17. The Dark Knight (2008)
  18. The Lion King (1994)
  19. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (2001)
  20. Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (2007)
  21. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part 1 (2010)
  22. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007)
  23. Finding Nemo (2003)
  24. Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (2009)
  25. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002)
  26. Shrek 2 (2004)
  27. Despicable Me 2 (2013)
  28. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2005)
  29. Spider-Man 3 (2007)
  30. Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs (2009)
  31. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (2002)
  32. Ice Age: Continental Drift (2012)
  33. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)
  34. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005)
  35. Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (2009)
  36. The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn, Part 2 (2012)
  37. Inception (2010)
  38. Spider-Man (2002)
  39. Independence Day (1996)
  40. Shrek the Third (2007)
  41. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004)
  42. E. T. The Extra-Terrestrial (1982)
  43. Fast & Furious 6 (2013)
  44. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008)
  45. Spider-Man 2 (2004)
  46. Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (1977)
  47. 2012 (2009)
  48. The Da Vinci Code (2006)
  49. Shrek Forever After (2010)
  50. The Amazing Spider-Man (2012)
  51. Madagascar 3: Europe's Most Wanted (2012)
  52. The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (2005)
  53. Monsters University (2013)
  54. The Matrix Reloaded (2003)
  55. Up (2009)
  56. The Hunger Games: Catching Fire (2013)
  57. The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn, Part 1 (2011)
  58. The Twilight Saga: New Moon (2009)
  59. Transformers (2007)
  60. The Twilight Saga: Eclipse (2010)
  61. Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol (2011)
  62. The Hunger Games (2012)
  63. Forrest Gump (1994)
  64. The Sixth Sense (1999)
  65. Kung Fu Panda 2 (2011)
  66. Man of Steel (2013)
  67. Ice Age: The Meltdown (2006)
  68. Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003)
  69. Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002)
  70. Gravity (2013)
  71. Kung Fu Panda (2008)
  72. The Incredibles (2004)
  73. Fast Five (2011)
  74. Hancock (2008)
  75. Men in Black 3 (2012)
  76. Iron Man 2 (2010)
  77. Ratatouille (2007)
  78. The Lost World: Jurassic Park (1997)
  79. Thor: The Dark World (2013)
  80. The Passion of the Christ (2004)
  81. Mamma Mia! (2008)
  82. Life of Pi (2012)
  83. Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa (2008)
  84. Casino Royale (2006)
  85. Tangled (2010)
  86. War of the Worlds (2005)
  87. Men in Black (1997)
  88. The Croods (2013)
  89. The Hangover Part II (2011)
  90. Quantum of Solace (2008)
  91. I Am Legend (2007)
  92. Iron Man (2008)
  93. Night at the Museum (2006)
  94. The Smurfs (2011)
  95. Monsters, Inc. (2001)
  96. Cars 2 (2011)
  97. Puss in Boots (2011)
  98. Armageddon (1998)
  99. King Kong (2005)
  100. Ted (2012)

Clearly, LOTR has made more coin worldwide then SW.

#26 Posted by bigtewell (749 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought avengers was going to be more than a trilogy since they already have mentioned phase 4......

#27 Posted by russellmania77 (14401 posts) - - Show Bio

@vaeternus: terminator wasn't a trilogy (also t-3 was awful) or trans since the 4th one is on its way

@bigtewell: oh yeah? I. Haven't heard about phase 4

#28 Posted by ShootingNova (15222 posts) - - Show Bio

We can't possibly say right now because we have no idea how good the other two movies will be.

#29 Posted by JediXMan (29253 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see Avengers 2 and 3 doing nearly as well as 1. The movies were cool because of what they did for cinema. But they are going to get very old very fast.

#30 Posted by russellmania77 (14401 posts) - - Show Bio
#31 Posted by LyraFay (2408 posts) - - Show Bio
@jedixman said:

I don't see Avengers 2 and 3 doing nearly as well as 1. The movies were cool because of what they did for cinema. But they are going to get very old very fast.

That's how I see it.

#32 Edited by Vaeternus (9346 posts) - - Show Bio

@russellmania77: it kind of was as far as story but i disagree with thay. T3 was awesome cause of arnold. He saved that movie.

Besides you can have a trio just because theres a forth one doesnt mean much. If a trilogy storyline wise ends one saga. I consider it a trilogy thats what both trans and terminator did. Originally t4 wasbsupposed to be the first of a new trilogy but got canned for reboot instead.

#33 Posted by jwalser3 (4793 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

#34 Edited by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

People have odd ways of defining success when they're trying to say Terminator is in the same running as Avengers. Outside T2 the Terminator series leaves a lot to be desired and I'm almost certain it's made nowhere near the same kind of money as franchise.

@russellmania77 said:

Avengers, age of ultron, and infinity (possible title) will be the most successful financial trilogy films of all time? What do you think?

I've been meaning to buy a crystal ball.

@fallschirmjager said:

@danhimself: it was also in 3D and costed nearly as much as all 3 films combined to make

just saying.

So LOTR would have made more money by having a bigger budget to film? Because unless you're talking marketing you've lost me.

@jedixman said:

I don't see Avengers 2 and 3 doing nearly as well as 1. The movies were cool because of what they did for cinema. But they are going to get very old very fast.

Neither does Whedon as I recall.

#35 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8724 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope not. There are much better movies out there.

#36 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7561 posts) - - Show Bio

I would say it's to early to tell at this stage, who knows by the time Avenger 3 hits screens people could be completely done with super hero pictures (helpfully not). Personally though I don't count box office totals as any indication of whether or not a film is successful.

#37 Posted by JeanRalphio (1842 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope not. There are much better movies out there.

Lol,you hate everything.

#38 Posted by Killemall (18167 posts) - - Show Bio

I hope they call Avengers 3 Marvel The End.

And I think Avengers are looking at a stiff competition with Superman Batman.

#39 Posted by Emequious_Swerve (1268 posts) - - Show Bio

The first movie was a "right time" kinda happening. I highly doubt the sequel will make as much money. We will see though.

#40 Posted by Vaeternus (9346 posts) - - Show Bio

Some people are funny on here when they assume Avengers are automatically going to be "the best" triology ever. Sure Terminator ain't perfect but I highly doubt Avengers 2 and 3 will break the first one...most sequels rarely do.

I hope they call Avengers 3 Marvel The End.

And I think Avengers are looking at a stiff competition with Superman Batman.

A fair point, although I do think if done right Superman/Batman will do better because it's never been done before in DCU on the big screen. Avengers, people kind of know what to expect.

The first movie was a "right time" kinda happening. I highly doubt the sequel will make as much money. We will see though.

Agreed.

#41 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000: yeah. i should have just ran the numbers myself first instead of trusting wikipedia :P

i like star wars more than lotr, i just trusted a unreliable source like a nub ;)

Dont worry, you at least understand the concept and idea of inflation, you could notice several people who fail to understand how they play with the numbers to make new movies look better and old look worst.

People also fail to notice, that several movies were a huge hit when they came out, but sold poorly on DVD,VHS and never got good tv deals.

Some movies made money after they failed at the box office.

#42 Posted by deaditegonzo (3507 posts) - - Show Bio

Both monetarily and critically, id say yes. Amongst fans/ the audience? Probably not. Star Wars for one stands far taller than the Avengers created in the first movie could ever hope to, imo. As does LotR and the Dark Knight Trilogy.

If JLA starts off strong, id even give it the nod monetarily, though, after seeing the critics hating on MoS, I suspect Avengers will continue to be a critical darling. Especially since stinkers like The Dark World and Iron Man 1 & 2 were reviewed positively.

#43 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

@vaeternus: There is a thing called inflation, @fallschirmjager show the end number of both franchises, Lotr did 1.5 billions less that Star Wars Original Trilogy, besides one movie by itself made 2.8 billions.

And no is not just in the USA is worlwide box office.

Thats why manyepeople uses ticket sales, but manye people refuse to belive ticket sales because it make the 21 century hits looks really small in comparation with the 20 century hits.

#44 Posted by Rabbitearsblog (5768 posts) - - Show Bio

We can't possibly say right now because we have no idea how good the other two movies will be.

Basically this. Even though the first Avengers movie managed to make over 1.5 billion dollars worldwide, we would have to see how the other two will fare and whether or not the superhero movie genre will stay popular by the time Avengers 3 comes out.

#45 Posted by CF12793 (2866 posts) - - Show Bio

One time back in high school me and my friend were talking about making plans for the weekend, and he brought up, "Let's have a movie marathon of some kind." And I was like, "For sure! How about the original Star Wars trilogy back to back? That would be incredible." and he was like, "Yeah, totally, except those movies are terrible! Let's watch the LOTR trilogy instead, now that would be an experience."

I didn't speak to him after for like 2 weeks. we never had that hangout weekend

#46 Posted by HumanRocket (7058 posts) - - Show Bio

Seeing how well the first one did and how Marvel/Disney is setting up the other Avengers films by expanding their universe and their roster I don't see why they can't be the most successful.

#47 Edited by Vaeternus (9346 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000: yes. And theres this thing called better, higher paid jobs with time thus It happens. Just saying that inflation is inevitable with time a fact of life im afraid ve it cigs or movies.

...

I also prefer to judge a movies succeds via worldwide success not just domestic. The numbers dont lie. Lotr made more cash then sw. Imdb and the sites ive posted confirm it.

#48 Edited by Farkam (4647 posts) - - Show Bio

So far Harry Potter is the top movie series. Dunno if Avengers can top that.

#50 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

@vaeternus said:

@deathpoolthet1000: yes. It happens. Just saying that inflation is inevitable with time a fact of life im afraid ve it cigs or movies.

...

I also prefer to judge a movies succeds via worldwide success not just domestic. The numbers dont lie. Lotr made more cash then sw.

How? Only a New Hope Did 2.8 Billions By Inflation @fallschirmjager point this.

Lotr did more money for the fact the ticket was more expensive, that is what inflation means.

The numbers point the American Market being really smaller that the international market.

Star Wars International Market was bigger that USA market by far.

Maybe Lotr was bigger in some markets, but not worldwide.

@fallschirmjager said:

adjusted for inflation

Star Wars Original Trilogy - 5.6 billion+

Lord of the Rings Trilogy - 4.1 billion+

A New hope by itself adjusted for 2013 inflation made 2.8 billion dollars.

so yeah. Star Wars stomps. And we haven't even discussed 3D yet.