@JediXMan: It says 'Will the' not 'has the'
@VictorGrey said:
@JediXMan: It says 'Will the' not 'has the'
No. Think of it this way:
Will 200 million make more than 0?
See? Doesn't make sense. The two should be reversed. Going by what the topic title says, then the Avengers already made more money than TDKR.
Avengers is already breaking records here and there. It's a really really good film and word has been out all over the world even before the US release. That was quite a clever move seeing as the majority of income comes from the Americans, having good reviews way before the release just keeps the hype to the optimal just on release.
The problem with TDKR would have to face is if people will still be interested with superhero movies (even though Nolan's Bats isn't really a superhero) by the time it gets released. Amazing SM would still be released before TDKR and it may drain the steam from the superhero hype. But I trust in Nolan and I'm betting it will still do very well in the Box Office.
With that said, I don't think I will mind Avengers being the king of box office despite me being a DC fanboy.
Avengers has set the all time highest domestic box office opening weekend record. I'd say test passed. It opened way bigger than the previous Batman movie and frankly TDKR has yet to show anything that makes me think it'll be as good as TDK.
@JediXMan: I see what you mean though.
@JediXMan: Question could also be rephrased as "Will The Avengers Make More Money Than What The Dark Knight Rises Will Make?"... Though it is in quite an inelegant form, it makes technical sense.
OK, seriously, this is about the fiftieth damn thread about this.
@joshmightbe said:
Avengers has set the all time highest domestic box office opening weekend record. I'd say test passed. It opened way bigger than the previous Batman movie and frankly TDKR has yet to show anything that makes me think it'll be as good as TDK.
The Avenger will take the box office battle, but at the end TDKR will win the war, the main problem with Avenger is that what make him so good, is the same that will make it old really fast.
Ok, first off, the ONLY reason why The Dark Knight did so well at the box office in the first place was the inconvenient death of Heath Ledger. It was his swan song and it basically amplified the popularity of the film. The entire film was basically all about Joker.
Dark Knight Rises lacks that luxury and while it will do good numbers, I don't see it breaking any records, most definitely not midnight release considering even Avengers failed at that.
After seeing the Avengers I find it hard to believe that batman will make more. After seeing the trailers of both spidey and bats I'm much more pumped for spidey. don't know what it is but bats didn't have me like wow, spidey kind of did.
This video sums up my thoughts quite nicely:
It depends i think. The Avengers was a very very good movie but there just felt like something was missing keeping it from being a great movie. They advertised for it great (might have given a little to much away) and unless TDKR really starts pushing the same i feel it will lose out
@Deranged Midget said:
Ok, first off, the ONLY reason why The Dark Knight did so well at the box office in the first place was the inconvenient death of Heath Ledger. It was his swan song and it basically amplified the popularity of the film. The entire film was basically all about Joker.
Dark Knight Rises lacks that luxury and while it will do good numbers, I don't see it breaking any records, most definitely not midnight release considering even Avengers failed at that.
I completely agree with you.
the best career choice a celebrity can make is to die.
@Deranged Midget said:
Ok, first off, the ONLY reason why The Dark Knight did so well at the box office in the first place was the inconvenient death of Heath Ledger. It was his swan song and it basically amplified the popularity of the film. The entire film was basically all about Joker.
Dark Knight Rises lacks that luxury and while it will do good numbers, I don't see it breaking any records, most definitely not midnight release considering even Avengers failed at that.
Joker is a Batman character,they did'nt import him from somewhere else.And TDK was technically a Harvey Dent film,but it does'nt matter.These characters belong to Batman,does it make a difference if one ended up stealing the show?
The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus did not make anywhere near TDK and that was Ledgers last film.
and Inception made 800 million without having any known characters or dying actors.
Take note, Jonah Hill.the best career choice a celebrity can make is to die.
@Illuminatus said:
@nickthedevil said:Take note, Jonah Hill.the best career choice a celebrity can make is to die.
Aw :(
@Gambit1024 said:
@Illuminatus said:
@nickthedevil said:Take note, Jonah Hill.the best career choice a celebrity can make is to die.
Aw :(
LOL
that was actually a quote by Buddy Holly. one of my favorite Music artists. ironic that he said it.
It could, but honestly, I think people will talk about TDKR for a longer time, and it will be the superior film, also you have to remember that its predecessor still currently holds the record for highest grossing superhero film of all time.
@entropy_aegis said:
@Deranged Midget said:
Ok, first off, the ONLY reason why The Dark Knight did so well at the box office in the first place was the inconvenient death of Heath Ledger. It was his swan song and it basically amplified the popularity of the film. The entire film was basically all about Joker.
Dark Knight Rises lacks that luxury and while it will do good numbers, I don't see it breaking any records, most definitely not midnight release considering even Avengers failed at that.
Joker is a Batman character,they did'nt import him from somewhere else.And TDK was technically a Harvey Dent film,but it does'nt matter.These characters belong to Batman,does it make a difference if one ended up stealing the show?
The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus did not make anywhere near TDK and that was Ledgers last film.
and Inception made 800 million without having any known characters or dying actors.
Batman Begins did half the numbers Dark Knight did. Why? Because not that many people cared about ANOTHER Batman re-telling. Tell me that Heath Ledger's death had nothing to do with the amplification of the film. Tell me that flat out. Because we all know it did. If the film lacked his performance, it wouldn't be regarded as the one of the best because there was literally more action centered around Joker than there was Batman and that's why I liked Begins better.
@ssejllenrad said:
@JediXMan: Question could also be rephrased as "Will The Avengers Make More Money Than What The Dark Knight Rises Will Make?"... Though it is in quite an inelegant form, it makes technical sense.
Technically, yes, that would make more sense. But it's a mouth full; it would be easier to say "Will TDKR make more than the Avengers?"
I have a feeling Dark Knight Rises might beat Avengers, but it is going to be close
@Stormultt:
LOL! Love you too by the way..... I'm just saying Batman would whoop the shi outta Storm....
What happened to TDKR making over 2 billion everyone was boasting about few months back?
But Avengers is def. on it's way to passing what TDK made. I have no clue if TDKR will make more. Nolans Bats has a huge fan base. It could, but IMO i doubt it will make more than what I suspect Avengers to gross.
@PowerHerc said:
The Avengers will win the box office battle.
No question. No doubt.
THis and theres also the fact Avengers is more kid friendly, even tho it is PG-13, you can still take a 5 year old to see it. TDKR wont be a kid friendly movie, it will be a dark movie just like TDK.
No offense, but I haven't seen anything really exciting about Batman and seems to be more about the story than action, and people are looking for action lots of it. I believe Spiderman may actually make more than TDKR, but I want them to both do well so we can get more comic adaptated movies out before the well runs dry .
Ive seen The Avengers twice and both times TDKR trailer got more pop than the actual film. Batman will beat anything and everything. Sorry Marveletts.
@Deranged Midget said:
@entropy_aegis said:
@Deranged Midget said:
Ok, first off, the ONLY reason why The Dark Knight did so well at the box office in the first place was the inconvenient death of Heath Ledger. It was his swan song and it basically amplified the popularity of the film. The entire film was basically all about Joker.
Dark Knight Rises lacks that luxury and while it will do good numbers, I don't see it breaking any records, most definitely not midnight release considering even Avengers failed at that.
Joker is a Batman character,they did'nt import him from somewhere else.And TDK was technically a Harvey Dent film,but it does'nt matter.These characters belong to Batman,does it make a difference if one ended up stealing the show?
The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus did not make anywhere near TDK and that was Ledgers last film.
and Inception made 800 million without having any known characters or dying actors.
Batman Begins did half the numbers Dark Knight did. Why? Because not that many people cared about ANOTHER Batman re-telling. Tell me that Heath Ledger's death had nothing to do with the amplification of the film. Tell me that flat out. Because we all know it did. If the film lacked his performance, it wouldn't be regarded as the one of the best because there was literally more action centered around Joker than there was Batman and that's why I liked Begins better.
Batman Begins did less because it wasn't as good of a film as TDK. Heath Ledgers death had nothing to do with the film doing so well, his performance did. With his performance it wouldn't have mattered whether he was still alive the film still would have held it's own. I didn't go to the theatre and pay to see TDK 4 times because Heath Ledger died, I did because it was a damn good movie that hit a nerve. You need to separate his performance from his death because they are not the same. Also, even without his performance the writing was excellent and the themes the film tackled were poignant and really hit home. with people.
@joshmightbe said:
Avengers has set the all time highest domestic box office opening weekend record. I'd say test passed. It opened way bigger than the previous Batman movie and frankly TDKR has yet to show anything that makes me think it'll be as good as TDK.
The reason TDK set records at the time wasn't because of a big-opening. It's because it was a great movie and people decided to see it again and again, and tell all their friends to see it.
I think long-term sales tell you a lot more about a film than it's opening weekend.
@Lunacyde: To be completely honest I find this whole internet fight over which will make more to be stupid. I won't mind if TDKR makes less causer frankly Bat fanboys could use the shot of humility (Tho if it does make less they'll just whine about the decline of hollywood) but either way it doesn't matter. Its not like making a lot of money automatically equals quality if it did Justin Beiber would be broke.
If Chris Nolan plays his cards right and really hypes it, then yes. People just need to be reminded that the Dark Knight is still dominant for being one of the greatest comic book movies ever made. I'm personally more excited for TDKR then I was for the Avengers, and I have higher hopes for it, and I think it will meet my expectations, and therefore exceed The Avengers in quality.
@Lantern Prime said:
@Stormultt:
LOL! Love you too by the way..... I'm just saying Batman would whoop the shi outta Storm....
Stop trolling dude@BiteMe-Fanboy said:
What happened to TDKR making over 2 billion everyone was boasting about few months back?
Who claimed that this?@jeanlucpicard said:
@PowerHerc said:
The Avengers will win the box office battle.
No question. No doubt.
THis and theres also the fact Avengers is more kid friendly, even tho it is PG-13, you can still take a 5 year old to see it. TDKR wont be a kid friendly movie, it will be a dark movie just like TDK.
TDKR is also PG-13,but you're right though.@evilvegeta74 said:
No offense, but I haven't seen anything really exciting about Batman and seems to be more about the story than action, and people are looking for action lots of it. I believe Spiderman may actually make more than TDKR, but I want them to both do well so we can get more comic adaptated movies out before the well runs dry .
All Nolan movies are plot driven and believe me once people have their share of splode and punch they will turn towards plot eventually.@Deranged Midget said:
@entropy_aegis said:
@Deranged Midget said:
Ok, first off, the ONLY reason why The Dark Knight did so well at the box office in the first place was the inconvenient death of Heath Ledger. It was his swan song and it basically amplified the popularity of the film. The entire film was basically all about Joker.
Dark Knight Rises lacks that luxury and while it will do good numbers, I don't see it breaking any records, most definitely not midnight release considering even Avengers failed at that.
Joker is a Batman character,they did'nt import him from somewhere else.And TDK was technically a Harvey Dent film,but it does'nt matter.These characters belong to Batman,does it make a difference if one ended up stealing the show?
The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus did not make anywhere near TDK and that was Ledgers last film.
and Inception made 800 million without having any known characters or dying actors.
Batman Begins did half the numbers Dark Knight did. Why? Because not that many people cared about ANOTHER Batman re-telling. Tell me that Heath Ledger's death had nothing to do with the amplification of the film. Tell me that flat out. Because we all know it did. If the film lacked his performance, it wouldn't be regarded as the one of the best because there was literally more action centered around Joker than there was Batman and that's why I liked Begins better.
Because people were not sure what to expect,Batman Begins was preceded by Batman and Robin.Nolan was'nt exactly that famous back then either and the marketing campaign was'nt strong enough and the movie did'nt have a dominant villain to interest the audience.(Ra's al Ghul was kept hidden for the big surprise and Scarecrow did'nt get much time).
@joshmightbe said:
@Lunacyde: To be completely honest I find this whole internet fight over which will make more to be stupid. I won't mind if TDKR makes less causer frankly Bat fanboys could use the shot of humility (Tho if it does make less they'll just whine about the decline of hollywood) but either way it doesn't matter. Its not like making a lot of money automatically equals quality if it did Justin Beiber would be broke.
Nothing stops trolls and fanboys,they will just say that it took 7 Marvel characters(4 of them major while 3 lesser) to barely beat DC's 1.
@Lunacyde said:
@Deranged Midget said:
@entropy_aegis said:
@Deranged Midget said:
Ok, first off, the ONLY reason why The Dark Knight did so well at the box office in the first place was the inconvenient death of Heath Ledger. It was his swan song and it basically amplified the popularity of the film. The entire film was basically all about Joker.
Dark Knight Rises lacks that luxury and while it will do good numbers, I don't see it breaking any records, most definitely not midnight release considering even Avengers failed at that.
Joker is a Batman character,they did'nt import him from somewhere else.And TDK was technically a Harvey Dent film,but it does'nt matter.These characters belong to Batman,does it make a difference if one ended up stealing the show?
The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus did not make anywhere near TDK and that was Ledgers last film.
and Inception made 800 million without having any known characters or dying actors.
Batman Begins did half the numbers Dark Knight did. Why? Because not that many people cared about ANOTHER Batman re-telling. Tell me that Heath Ledger's death had nothing to do with the amplification of the film. Tell me that flat out. Because we all know it did. If the film lacked his performance, it wouldn't be regarded as the one of the best because there was literally more action centered around Joker than there was Batman and that's why I liked Begins better.
Batman Begins did less because it wasn't as good of a film as TDK. Heath Ledgers death had nothing to do with the film doing so well, his performance did. With his performance it wouldn't have mattered whether he was still alive the film still would have held it's own. I didn't go to the theatre and pay to see TDK 4 times because Heath Ledger died, I did because it was a damn good movie that hit a nerve. You need to separate his performance from his death because they are not the same. Also, even without his performance the writing was excellent and the themes the film tackled were poignant and really hit home. with people.
I'm not saying he lacked a good performance, but how many movie-goers do you think actually wanted to see The Dark Knight before hearing about Ledger's unfortunate death? Not too many besides the dedicated fans of Batman Begins and some others. It was his swan song, his parting gift, of course people would want to see how his last performance turned even if they couldn't care less about Batman (which the movie lacked in general). Take Heath Ledger and his performance out of the picture and the movie wouldn't have done half the numbers it did, it's simple. He made the movie, there's no question about it.
@entropy_aegis: True, but it's merely the fact that Heath Ledger's excellent performance easily made the film what it is. It barely even focused on Bruce/Batman himself. You take that away and it would've been an entirely different beast.
@entropy_aegis said:
@joshmightbe said:
@Lunacyde: To be completely honest I find this whole internet fight over which will make more to be stupid. I won't mind if TDKR makes less causer frankly Bat fanboys could use the shot of humility (Tho if it does make less they'll just whine about the decline of hollywood) but either way it doesn't matter. Its not like making a lot of money automatically equals quality if it did Justin Beiber would be broke.
Nothing stops trolls and fanboys,they will just say that it took 7 Marvel characters(4 of them major while 3 lesser) to barely beat DC's 1.
I'm not trolling, I love Nolan's Batman films and they're far, far more story centric than Avengers was, and I couldn't care less if one did better than the other at the box office. Dark Knight Rises has the advantage already for having two spectacular "prequels" under it's belt. I merely speculate that Avengers might dominate the box office until the next lame excuse for a movie (Avatar 2) murders the box office again, due to the fact that it's been a long time coming for this and it's never been attempted, let alone accomplished before.
@Deranged Midget: @entropy_aegis said:
@joshmightbe said:
@Lunacyde: To be completely honest I find this whole internet fight over which will make more to be stupid. I won't mind if TDKR makes less causer frankly Bat fanboys could use the shot of humility (Tho if it does make less they'll just whine about the decline of hollywood) but either way it doesn't matter. Its not like making a lot of money automatically equals quality if it did Justin Beiber would be broke.
Nothing stops trolls and fanboys,they will just say that it took 7 Marvel characters(4 of them major while 3 lesser) to barely beat DC's 1.
That dont change the fact that is the truth, no Marvel movie at this point has made what TDK made.
Also the Marvel fan need a bigger humiliy shot, after the GL Failure and all the Marvel movie making money only thanks to The Avengers.
And dont lie, Thor, Captain America and Ironman 2, only made that much thanks to The Avenger effect, without this movie coming, those would had made less money, you belive Black Widow would had a chance to get her own movie without the Avengers?
I have to be honest with you, i dont think Avatar 2 will make that much of money, for what i have heard Cameron want more plot in that one, so less money, i have to say it will be Transformer 5 the one it will destroy Avengers.
Becuase:
a) Tranformers make millions and millions
b) Is going to be the last one
c) Micheal Bay is the king of selling explosions and no plot at all.
d) The marketing is going to get better, Bay know how to sell movies, that why he is rich and Joel Shumacher and Ronald Emmerich lose money on their movies, even when those guys do the same.
Also, i saw Avengers and i still belive Tranformers 1 had better action
Also, all of you say money mean a movie was great, Spiderman 3 made more monay that Ironman, that means Spiderman 3 is better that Ironman?
Also, sorry guy still the best Hollywood action movie ever made is Terminator 2.
Also, Avenger will make millions thanks only to one thing.


Samuel L. Jackson and a bunch of mut#3r fvkc1ng snakes.
Cause i a JEEEDIIIII!!!
@Deranged Midget said:
@Lunacyde said:
@Deranged Midget said:
@entropy_aegis said:
@Deranged Midget said:
Ok, first off, the ONLY reason why The Dark Knight did so well at the box office in the first place was the inconvenient death of Heath Ledger. It was his swan song and it basically amplified the popularity of the film. The entire film was basically all about Joker.
Dark Knight Rises lacks that luxury and while it will do good numbers, I don't see it breaking any records, most definitely not midnight release considering even Avengers failed at that.
Joker is a Batman character,they did'nt import him from somewhere else.And TDK was technically a Harvey Dent film,but it does'nt matter.These characters belong to Batman,does it make a difference if one ended up stealing the show?
The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus did not make anywhere near TDK and that was Ledgers last film.
and Inception made 800 million without having any known characters or dying actors.
Batman Begins did half the numbers Dark Knight did. Why? Because not that many people cared about ANOTHER Batman re-telling. Tell me that Heath Ledger's death had nothing to do with the amplification of the film. Tell me that flat out. Because we all know it did. If the film lacked his performance, it wouldn't be regarded as the one of the best because there was literally more action centered around Joker than there was Batman and that's why I liked Begins better.
Batman Begins did less because it wasn't as good of a film as TDK. Heath Ledgers death had nothing to do with the film doing so well, his performance did. With his performance it wouldn't have mattered whether he was still alive the film still would have held it's own. I didn't go to the theatre and pay to see TDK 4 times because Heath Ledger died, I did because it was a damn good movie that hit a nerve. You need to separate his performance from his death because they are not the same. Also, even without his performance the writing was excellent and the themes the film tackled were poignant and really hit home. with people.
I'm not saying he lacked a good performance, but how many movie-goers do you think actually wanted to see The Dark Knight before hearing about Ledger's unfortunate death? Not too many besides the dedicated fans of Batman Begins and some others. It was his swan song, his parting gift, of course people would want to see how his last performance turned even if they couldn't care less about Batman (which the movie lacked in general). Take Heath Ledger and his performance out of the picture and the movie wouldn't have done half the numbers it did, it's simple. He made the movie, there's no question about it.
Why should he and his performance be taken out of the picture? lets just take Iron Man and Hulk out of the Avengers as well while we're at it.
If people could'nt care less about Batman then how do you explain him having 5 ongoing titles,then add another more than half dozen Batman family books,then add the fact that Arkham Asylum,The Killing Joke and The Dark Knight Returns are the most well known and selling graphic novels,further add the various animated feature films(Under the Red Hood and Mask of the Phantasm are the king and queen of superhero animations),the animated shows and finally the massive success that were the Arkham games.
Yes Joker made the movie but to say people could'nt care less about Batman is reaching.@Deranged Midget said:
@entropy_aegis: True, but it's merely the fact that Heath Ledger's excellent performance easily made the film what it is. It barely even focused on Bruce/Batman himself. You take that away and it would've been an entirely different beast.
@entropy_aegis said:
@joshmightbe said:
@Lunacyde: To be completely honest I find this whole internet fight over which will make more to be stupid. I won't mind if TDKR makes less causer frankly Bat fanboys could use the shot of humility (Tho if it does make less they'll just whine about the decline of hollywood) but either way it doesn't matter. Its not like making a lot of money automatically equals quality if it did Justin Beiber would be broke.
Nothing stops trolls and fanboys,they will just say that it took 7 Marvel characters(4 of them major while 3 lesser) to barely beat DC's 1.
I'm not trolling, I love Nolan's Batman films and they're far, far more story centric than Avengers was, and I couldn't care less if one did better than the other at the box office. Dark Knight Rises has the advantage already for having two spectacular "prequels" under it's belt. I merely speculate that Avengers might dominate the box office until the next lame excuse for a movie (Avatar 2) murders the box office again, due to the fact that it's been a long time coming for this and it's never been attempted, let alone accomplished before.
Nah I did'nt accuse you of trolling bro,I just wanted to tell Joshmightbe that trolls dont stop.
I voted No but im not sure it could go either way
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