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#1 Posted by TifaLockhart (14080 posts) - - Show Bio

Freedom of speech doesn't allow you to yell "fire" in a theater. So it's not like you can legally say anything you want.

#2 Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy (7990 posts) - - Show Bio

wut

#3 Posted by reaperOnyx (1157 posts) - - Show Bio

Freedom of speech allows you to say what you want. We should stick by this

#4 Posted by russellmania77 (15676 posts) - - Show Bio

lol cuz than comedy central wouldnt be funny anymore

#5 Edited by comicace3 (6051 posts) - - Show Bio

You can't arrest people for being racist. That basically trying to change who they are. Don't get me wrong racism is a bad thing but trying to make it illegal is too extreme.

#6 Posted by Omega-Man (766 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't have to be white to be racist, even other races are racist to white people.

#7 Posted by Vance Astro (91287 posts) - - Show Bio

Simply being racist isn't a detriment to anyone's safety yelling fire in a theater is.

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#8 Posted by TifaLockhart (14080 posts) - - Show Bio

What about using racial slurs to provoke?

#9 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

Cause some of the lawmakers are racists themselves?

#10 Posted by russellmania77 (15676 posts) - - Show Bio
#11 Posted by JediXMan (30976 posts) - - Show Bio

Freedom of speech and freedom of expression.

What about using racial slurs to provoke?

If you insult somebody (say you call a guy a "jerk"), do you want to fear being arrested?

Yes, it's the same thing. If you make an exception for one type of word, you open the door to everything else.

No, it should not be illegal. Nothing involving expression of opinions, no matter how wrong they are, should be illegal.

PS: No, I'm not saying that attacking somebody should be legal. I want to make that clear before my words get twisted.

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#12 Edited by The Stegman (25073 posts) - - Show Bio

Because it's a way of thinking, and as soon as you start arresting people for their beliefs, you start an even worse fire.

#13 Posted by Irishlad (589 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it's down to what the guidelines are for being racist. For example I know some African Americans consider being called "black" offensive and racist where as others don't. It's not as if racial abuse doesn't go unnoticed though in pretty much any work environment if an employee uses a racial slur they're usually either fined or fired

#14 Posted by TifaLockhart (14080 posts) - - Show Bio

Why are there "hate crimes" then? If the law is to be impartial, why do they differentiate there and not when it comes to slurs?

#15 Edited by JediXMan (30976 posts) - - Show Bio

Why are there "hate crimes" then? If the law is to be impartial, why do they differentiate there and not when it comes to slurs?

-_- Really? You're comparing physical assaults to saying racial slurs?

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#16 Posted by TifaLockhart (14080 posts) - - Show Bio

No. I'm saying the law makes a note of race in the case of a hate crime, so it isn't as if it doesn't know racism exists. For the record, I believe a crime is a crime, no matter who it is against.

#17 Posted by MonsterStomp (19360 posts) - - Show Bio

There will always be that one person keen to carry on the racism legacy. That's why the new generation are still racist. I've been bullied because I'm a halfcast and I'm pretty sure I'll stab someone with a pencil if it happened again, but that doesn't change what they said or if they'll say it again.

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#18 Posted by TifaLockhart (14080 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sorry to hear that.

#19 Posted by Irishlad (589 posts) - - Show Bio

A hate crime isn't tied to race specifically there was recently a group of teenagers convicted and charged with hate crimes becausetl they attacked a girl because she was emo. You do have a fair point though one thing I will say there's a difference between insulting someone over who they are and hurting someone over who they are.

#20 Edited by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (6111 posts) - - Show Bio

Because its ridiculous. The US has freedom of speech so we can say whatever we (except fire in a movie theater) want whether people like it or not. People say things we don't like or something offensive all the time but arresting them is extreme.

Same things applies to provoking. It all comes down to who hits first, not who started it. A part of freedom of speech is the right to offend people.

A better way to combat racism is to never teach it.

#21 Posted by SC (13242 posts) - - Show Bio

Shouting fire falsely in a theater is relatively simple. It can cause financial damage, takes place in a business and potentially endangers lives if there is panic. An elderly black guy seeing a huge Asian guy wearing blue and red bandana's on his belt with swords tattooed on his arms then walking across the road to be on the other side of the street - how is that illegal? It might be a little racist if the black guy thinks the Asian is in a kung fu maths gang but if its a huge Asian with swords on his arms and Crips and Bloods gang paraphernalia might just be the black man being cautious.

Certain types of hate speech are illegal, like when it can incite crowds to harm others based on skin color, but racism is a very broad topic, much like sexism and actually technically speaking, although racism is usually inferred and spoken about solely as a negative, that isn't always the case. A white man thinking most black people dance better than white people is a type of discrimination, but its usually not considered as negatively or frowned upon the same way as a white man thinking most black people steal cars better than white people. A black man thinking white people are more intelligent is different from a black person thinking more white people actually like Tupac more than black people. Sometimes its not so much racism as much as it is ignorance or misunderstanding.

Racism has shades. Its harder to legislate, enforce and rule on shades especially when it overlaps with a persons rights.

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#22 Edited by Dabee (2399 posts) - - Show Bio

You can't make a mindset illegal, and people tend to speak out of their mindsets. I love the fact that people can call me a greedy kike, despite being a Jew. I don't love people who do, but I love that we have the right to say what we want, even if it does lead to that. When you start banning racism in speech, it's a slippery slope.

#23 Edited by cyberninja (10413 posts) - - Show Bio

In short, because stupidity is legal.

#24 Posted by Vortex13 (12265 posts) - - Show Bio

Because Wayne Brady makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X.

Who else misses that show?

#25 Edited by TifaLockhart (14080 posts) - - Show Bio

I miss it. Bought seasons one and two on DVD at a garage sale today.

Anyway, it doesn't have to be jail for people who violate it, even something as little as a fine would be nice. I hear its technically illegal to swear in public. Good luck enforcing that.

#26 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio

@vortex13 said:

Because Wayne Brady makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X.

Who else misses that show?

spits drink hahahahaha I miss the hell out of that show.

#27 Posted by Edamame (28294 posts) - - Show Bio

Freedom of speech doesn't allow you to yell "fire" in a theater. So it's not like you can legally say anything you want.

Well, it depends how you define "racism". For instance, verbal harassment (in the context of racism) could certainly get someone into trouble, but if you are talking about person A not liking person B simply because of their different "racial" backgrounds, then that is something that unfortunately can't be eliminated. It depends on the individual, of course.

#28 Posted by TifaLockhart (14080 posts) - - Show Bio

Pfft. If someone doesn't like me, I'll get over it. But I hated and still hate when people use derogatory terms in regards to race.

#29 Posted by fenixREVOLUTION (889 posts) - - Show Bio

People have the right to be, Constitution and all.

If you're willing to forego the obvious obstacle, goodluck proving it in court.

#30 Edited by Edamame (28294 posts) - - Show Bio

Pfft. If someone doesn't like me, I'll get over it. But I hated and still hate when people use derogatory terms in regards to race.

Completely understandable.

What I am trying to say is that they are usually not allowed to say those things in public places.

#31 Posted by joshmightbe (24946 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's the thing about freedom of speech, if you want to be free to express your opinion then you have to also agree that those you don't agree with also have that freedom. I disagree with racism, I find it stupid and useless but everyone has the right to have their say even if its dumb.

#32 Edited by TifaLockhart (14080 posts) - - Show Bio

Tell that to my grade school. Teachers didn't care.

#33 Posted by joshmightbe (24946 posts) - - Show Bio

The reason racism isn't illegal is probably due to the slippery slope it would put us on, first you illegalize racist speech maybe someone decides they should go ahead and make cussing illegal, then maybe they start just going after anything anyone finds offensive, then we end up all sanitized and once people start worrying about getting arrested for offending people they stop speaking out against bad things the government is doing which means that no one would be stopping from doing those things.

Basically its one of those things where you gotta take the good with the bad, or else we get subjected to something worse than being offended.

#34 Edited by M3th (2099 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it will also be hard to prove in court. I mean why isn't affairs illegal?

#35 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (4278 posts) - - Show Bio

Because you can't make stupidity illegal and actually freedom of speech does allow yo to yell fire in a theater if there in fact is a fire or you thought you smelled smoke

#36 Posted by judasnixon (6667 posts) - - Show Bio

Where's George Carlin when you need him........

#37 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

Where's George Carlin when you need him........

In heaven with God and all the saints... Oh wait.... Nyahahahahahahaha!

#38 Posted by Reignmaker (2235 posts) - - Show Bio

Freedom of speech is only as powerful as we choose to make it.

#39 Edited by BumpyBoo (10061 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's the thing about freedom of speech, if you want to be free to express your opinion then you have to also agree that those you don't agree with also have that freedom. I disagree with racism, I find it stupid and useless but everyone has the right to have their say even if its dumb.

Exactly.

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#40 Edited by SilverGalford (3270 posts) - - Show Bio

if racism is illegal then

bash or hate people beliefs should be illegal

bash or hate people who smoke should be illegal

bash or hate gay people should be illegal

and so on.

Here's the thing about freedom of speech, if you want to be free to express your opinion then you have to also agree that those you don't agree with also have that freedom.

now people who express an opinion also would like to agree ? .

#41 Edited by judasnixon (6667 posts) - - Show Bio
#42 Edited by PurpleCandy (773 posts) - - Show Bio

Racist leaders should be in jail. The KKK or skinhead ones preach "We wanna kill and kick out all n*gg*rs and osamas out of amurica", or ones like Jesse Jackson who say "We need to kill all White people". So if death threats are illeagal, how exactly do they get away with it, esp. since their still civilians.

#43 Edited by InnerVenom123 (29510 posts) - - Show Bio

The downside of the first amendment.

#44 Posted by Teerack (7083 posts) - - Show Bio

Hahahahahahahaha

#45 Posted by turoksonofstone (13199 posts) - - Show Bio

Freedom of speech allows you to say what you want. We should stick by this

I want to believe this one.

#46 Posted by Jezer (3129 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't have to be white to be racist, even other races are racist to white people.

Where did this even come from?

#47 Posted by PurpleCandy (773 posts) - - Show Bio

@jezer said:

@omega_man_ said:

Don't have to be white to be racist, even other races are racist to white people.

Where did this even come from?

Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, some mexican dudes http://rense.com/general70/ana.htm. They claim not to judge people by their past or by a few but do the same things against whites. To be honest, I'm actually patriotic, but most of Southern U.S. used to belong to Mexico, there always illeagally going their, fair enough. As far as the other parts, stay out!

#48 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

First amendment b!tches, you can be as rude as you want and there is nothing to be done about it. Indecency is protected by it :) , obscenity not so much though.

#49 Posted by Telcalipoca (962 posts) - - Show Bio

hate speech is part of freedom of speech/expression and its protected so long as it doesnt cause physical harm to someone else. once actions are acted upon those negative views it then becomes a hate crime and its no longer part of freedom of expression. you may not like it but to take it away means someone will decide what views are permitted and which are not ,effectively shutting you up unless wish to live inside a cage.

and its my own personal believe that a person aught to be free to express their love and or hate freely so long as it doesnt physically harm someone. "The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins" .

#50 Posted by Bruxae (14004 posts) - - Show Bio

Simply being racist isn't a detriment to anyone's safety yelling fire in a theater is.

This

Freedom of speech allows you to say what you want. We should stick by this

And this.