#1 Posted by CortSether (1761 posts) - - Show Bio

Topic. 
 
 Seriously, I enjoy Vanilla Ice's music quite a bit. But, Eminem/Slim Shady/Fatboy Slim/whatever he calls himself is terrible imo. 
 
I know so many people that make fun of Vanilla Ice calling him a 'wanna-be white rapper' yet listen to Eminem as if it's supposed to be different somehow. 
 
What gives?
 

#2 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether:  Because Vianilla Ice's greatest hit was a ripoff.
#3 Posted by Sexy Merc (41971 posts) - - Show Bio

Vanilla Ice sucks, has no lyrical ability, he dressed like a fruitbasket, couldn't tell a story if his career depended on it (oh wait), his flow sucks.... Eminem is the exact opposite, which is why VI is a joke and Eminem is great, not just ok.

#4 Posted by CortSether (1761 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sexy Merc said:
" Vanilla Ice sucks, has no lyrical ability, he dressed like a fruitbasket, couldn't tell a story if his career depended on it (oh wait), his flow sucks.... Eminem is the exact opposite, which is why VI is a joke and Eminem is great, not just ok. "
All Eminem does is whine about his mother.
#5 Posted by Kurrent (14070 posts) - - Show Bio

Have you heard an Eminem freestyle, the guy goes off!

#6 Posted by LauraX23 (1574 posts) - - Show Bio
Ice ice baaby Lol
#7 Posted by Sexy Merc (41971 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
" Vanilla Ice sucks, has no lyrical ability, he dressed like a fruitbasket, couldn't tell a story if his career depended on it (oh wait), his flow sucks.... Eminem is the exact opposite, which is why VI is a joke and Eminem is great, not just ok. "
All Eminem does is whine about his mother. "
I'm sorry if you think that because I could only think of a few songs he mentions his mom. If you think that's all he raps about, you clearly don't listen to him.
#8 Posted by CortSether (1761 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sexy Merc said:
" @CortSether said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
" Vanilla Ice sucks, has no lyrical ability, he dressed like a fruitbasket, couldn't tell a story if his career depended on it (oh wait), his flow sucks.... Eminem is the exact opposite, which is why VI is a joke and Eminem is great, not just ok. "
All Eminem does is whine about his mother. "
I'm sorry if you think that because I could only think of a few songs he mentions his mom. If you think that's all he raps about, you clearly don't listen to him. "
I think a rap battle between Vanilla Ice and Eminem would be In VI's favor. (^_^)
#9 Posted by CosmicSpiral (5470 posts) - - Show Bio

Troll thread denied. 

#10 Posted by CortSether (1761 posts) - - Show Bio
@CosmicSpiral said:
" Troll thread denied.  "
I've been here close to a year you should know I don't make troll threads.
#11 Edited by mattbryce2000 (1159 posts) - - Show Bio

eminem has won grammy's and oscar's and is a genuine rapper. while it's true that dr dre can make any punk look like the real thing, eminem has the skill and the genius to stay. Vanilla Ice had like one hit, eminem has had tons. and he doesn't just whine about his mom. listen to Mosh or Toy Soldiers or Stan or Lose Yourself. then tell me what songs VI has written that even puts him in the same level of talent.

#12 Posted by Donnieman v5.1 (44323 posts) - - Show Bio

Eminem is a lyrical monster. Vanilla Ice is a one-hit wonder.

#13 Edited by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether said:

" I think a rap battle between Vanilla Ice and Eminem would be In VI's favor. (^_^) "

Based on what? Its cool that you like Ice, not trying to dismiss your opinion but Eminem can actually string together lyrics in a stylish and creative manner. He's already known as an accomplished freestyle battle rapper. Ice has never proven anything other then cashing in on the whole repetitive hook style. His most famous song's beat was already a hit years before he rapped over it. He's a One Hit Wonder with no shred of established creditability whatsoever. Wasn't he on that VH1 reality show? I mean come on :P
#14 Posted by gobstakid777 (1789 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether said:
" Topic. 
 
 Seriously, I enjoy Vanilla Ice's music quite a bit. But, Eminem/Slim Shady/Fatboy Slim/whatever he calls himself is terrible imo. 
 
I know so many people that make fun of Vanilla Ice calling him a 'wanna-be white rapper' yet listen to Eminem as if it's supposed to be different somehow. 
 
What gives?
 
"
Okay dude 
 
Vanilla Ice's "film" Cool As Ice 
  
    
    
   
 
  
One scene from Eminem's 8 Mile (which was applauded by virtually everyone who reviewed it, including the nigh-impossible-to-impress Roger Ebert) (scratch that, still a great sound though) 
  
   
 
 
It has nothing to do with race dude 
 
Listen to that wordplay, flow, and all around...deliciousness: 
  
   
 
I need not add a video of Ice's Songs, because frankly, I don't know any songs by Ice and I don't want to have to search through all of them, and The Cool As Ice review tells you everything you need to know :p
#15 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio
@gobstakid777:  Nice. 8mile was tight.
#16 Edited by CortSether (1761 posts) - - Show Bio

You tell me that Vanilla Ice isn't a lyrical genius after reading this. 
 
Blowin My Mind by Vanilla Ice
 
Coolin in the shade
Sippin on lemonade.
I hear a knock on the door Who is it?
Kim, comin` to pay me another visit.
She tells me that I`m on her mind,
And a player like me is very hard to find.
I like the way she licks her lips starin` in my eyes,
I must admit she`s got some juicy thighs.
I like the way she wears her hair and the tight skirts fit,
That`s why I got her in my mix.
All she wants to do is hit the sheets and keep it goin`,
That`s why I`m mind blowin.

Mind Blowin, blowin my mind...

Ten minutes past, I got my eyes on her Ugh...
She`s shaped like an hour glass.
I like the red lipstick, she took a popsicle out,
And put it in her mouth quick.
She whispered in my ear, saying those things that only
A mac would like to hear.
You see, I like a girl that really turns me on
Twist with her walk, and sexy on the telephone.
She tells me she dreams of me, she wants to be with me
And not another memory,
But for now we can hit the sheets baby,
And keep it goin` now I`m mind blowin.
 
Now the heat is on my fingers still in her hair,
Now she`s reaching for my underwear.
I`m thinking I should make her wait
For another day, oh I forget, Sherri`s on the way.
Off came the top, she`s looking in my eyes
Here we go with the big surprise.
I guess i can`t resist it, hands all over my body
As she puckered up and kissed.
Uhhh, off came the pumps, I`m checkin` out the rump
She`s got a lotta junk in her trunk.
And finally we hit the sheets, and kept it goin`
Now I`m mind blowin`.

#17 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio

GO NINJA GO NINJA GO

#18 Posted by CortSether (1761 posts) - - Show Bio
@gobstakid777: Yea, I saw the video and Nostalgia Critic's review for it. But, Vanilla Ice's movie was supposed to be a comedy, not serious like 8 Mile was.
#19 Posted by Gylan Thomas (2662 posts) - - Show Bio

Does any one really have to ask this question?

#20 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether said:
" You tell me that Vanilla Ice isn't a lyrical genius after reading this. 
 
Blowin My Mind by Vanilla Ice
 
Coolin in the shade
Sippin on lemonade.
I hear a knowck on the door Who is it?
Kim, ocmin` to pay me another visit.
She tells me that I`m on her mind,
And a player like me is very hard to find.
I like the way she licks her lips starin` in my eyes,
I must admit she`s got some juicy thighs.
I like the way she wears her hair and the tight skirts fit,
That`s why I got her in my mix.
All she wants to do is hit the sheets and keep it goin`,
That`s why I`m mind blowin.

Mind Blowin, blowin my mind...

Ten minutes past, I got my eyes on her Ugh...
She`s shaped like an hour glass.
I like the red lipstick, she took a popsicle out,
And put it in her mouth quick.
She whispered in my ear, saying those things that only
A mac would like to hear.
You see, I like a girl that really turns me on
Twist with her walk, and sexy on the telephone.
She tells me she dreams of me, she wants to be with me
And not another memory,
But for now we can hit the sheets baby,
And keep it goin` now I`m mind blowin.
 
Now the heat is on my fingers still in her hair,
Now she`s reaching for my underwear.
I`m thinking I should make her wait
For another day, oh I forget, Sherri`s on the way.
Off came the top, she`s looking in my eyes
Here we go with the big surprise.
I guess i can`t resist it, hands all over my body
As she puckered up and kissed.
Uhhh, off came the pumps, I`m checkin` out the rump
She`s got a lotta junk in her trunk.
And finally we hit the sheets, and kept it goin`
Now I`m mind blowin`.
"
Whats "genius" about this? If Ice was a true lyrical genius he would still be making hits or at the very least have a strong underground following. You do know that he switched up and became a "rocker" right?
#21 Edited by gobstakid777 (1789 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler said:

" @gobstakid777:  Nice. 8mile was tight. "

thanx :D  
 
@CortSether
said:

" You tell me that Vanilla Ice isn't a lyrical genius after reading this. 
 
Blowin My Mind by Vanilla Ice
 
Coolin in the shade
Sippin on lemonade.
I hear a knock on the door Who is it?
Kim, comin` to pay me another visit.
She tells me that I`m on her mind,
And a player like me is very hard to find.
I like the way she licks her lips starin` in my eyes,
I must admit she`s got some juicy thighs.
I like the way she wears her hair and the tight skirts fit,
That`s why I got her in my mix.
All she wants to do is hit the sheets and keep it goin`,
That`s why I`m mind blowin.

Mind Blowin, blowin my mind...

Ten minutes past, I got my eyes on her Ugh...
She`s shaped like an hour glass.
I like the red lipstick, she took a popsicle out,
And put it in her mouth quick.
She whispered in my ear, saying those things that only
A mac would like to hear.
You see, I like a girl that really turns me on
Twist with her walk, and sexy on the telephone.
She tells me she dreams of me, she wants to be with me
And not another memory,
But for now we can hit the sheets baby,
And keep it goin` now I`m mind blowin.
 
Now the heat is on my fingers still in her hair,
Now she`s reaching for my underwear.
I`m thinking I should make her wait
For another day, oh I forget, Sherri`s on the way.
Off came the top, she`s looking in my eyes
Here we go with the big surprise.
I guess i can`t resist it, hands all over my body
As she puckered up and kissed.
Uhhh, off came the pumps, I`m checkin` out the rump
She`s got a lotta junk in her trunk.
And finally we hit the sheets, and kept it goin`
Now I`m mind blowin`.
"

You know what dude, I'm not going to try to convince you that Eminem is better than Vanilla Ice. I can not change your opinion. My own personal opinion is that Em is better, but that's me. If you feel different, there's nothing I can do to change that. It's quite obvious you're a VI fan. Don't worry dude. I think Scary Movie 3 is the funniest SM. Most people say it's the worse, but I'm entitled to my opinion, just as you are
#22 Posted by CortSether (1761 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler: I actually haven't followed him recently. He's really a rocker now?
 

#23 Posted by Lady Tlieso (10198 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't Vanilla Ice go rock for a while too?

#24 Posted by mattbryce2000 (1159 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether:
i'm sorry, but those sound like an seventh grader wrote those. and the flow is just aweful. it's like bad early nineties rap/pop...wait a minute.......
#25 Posted by Acer (14412 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether said:

" You tell me that Vanilla Ice isn't a lyrical genius after reading this. 
 
Blowin My Mind by Vanilla Ice
 
Coolin in the shade
Sippin on lemonade.
I hear a knock on the door Who is it?
Kim, comin` to pay me another visit.
She tells me that I`m on her mind,
And a player like me is very hard to find.
I like the way she licks her lips starin` in my eyes,
I must admit she`s got some juicy thighs.
I like the way she wears her hair and the tight skirts fit,
That`s why I got her in my mix.
All she wants to do is hit the sheets and keep it goin`,
That`s why I`m mind blowin.

Mind Blowin, blowin my mind...

Ten minutes past, I got my eyes on her Ugh...
She`s shaped like an hour glass.
I like the red lipstick, she took a popsicle out,
And put it in her mouth quick.
She whispered in my ear, saying those things that only
A mac would like to hear.
You see, I like a girl that really turns me on
Twist with her walk, and sexy on the telephone.
She tells me she dreams of me, she wants to be with me
And not another memory,
But for now we can hit the sheets baby,
And keep it goin` now I`m mind blowin.
 
Now the heat is on my fingers still in her hair,
Now she`s reaching for my underwear.
I`m thinking I should make her wait
For another day, oh I forget, Sherri`s on the way.
Off came the top, she`s looking in my eyes
Here we go with the big surprise.
I guess i can`t resist it, hands all over my body
As she puckered up and kissed.
Uhhh, off came the pumps, I`m checkin` out the rump
She`s got a lotta junk in her trunk.
And finally we hit the sheets, and kept it goin`
Now I`m mind blowin`.
"

Sounds like he hired a prostitute and wrote it down in his diary :p
 
Not even one of his best, but the lyrics are far greater, much more intelligent with a greater beat.
#26 Posted by CortSether (1761 posts) - - Show Bio
@mattbryce2000 said:
" @CortSether: i'm sorry, but those sound like an seventh grader wrote those. and the flow is just aweful. it's like bad early nineties rap/pop...wait a minute....... "
Hey! 90s everything was awesome! Can't touch this!
#27 Edited by TheSavageAssasin (2623 posts) - - Show Bio

Ha...Sorry...But this thread fails...Eminem is seriously legit.First off- his lyrics and freestyle are off the hook.He is one of the best in the biz in that categorie where as Vanilla Ice is more widely known for a song where he repeated the same thing over again...Just go listen to the two's music and then tell me who is better...And look at how Vi dresses...I mean come on!!!LOL...Eminem is just a much better rapper.Plus now VI is a Juggalo who always has that retarded necklace on...

#28 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether said:
" @Gambler: I actually haven't followed him recently. He's really a rocker now?   "
Its more like Linkin Park I guess then true rock. This was a couple years back. Who knows what he does now. I heard he was Reggae now.
#29 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lady Tlieso said:
" Didn't Vanilla Ice go rock for a while too? "
Yup.
 
@CortSether: Not gonna lie, I liked "Ice Ice Baby" back in the day. And still listen to "Cant Touch This."
#30 Posted by CortSether (1761 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler said:
" @CortSether said:
" @Gambler: I actually haven't followed him recently. He's really a rocker now?   "
Its more like Linkin Park I guess then true rock. This was a couple years back. Who knows what he does now. I heard he was Reggae now. "
Hm. Well perhaps Eminem really is technically a better rapper. I'll try listening to some other things of his but all the songs I hear of his on the radio have to do with mommy issues and it got really old after a while. Eh, perhaps I just really miss the 1990s.
#31 Posted by gobstakid777 (1789 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether said:
" @Gambler said:
" @CortSether said:
" @Gambler: I actually haven't followed him recently. He's really a rocker now?   "
Its more like Linkin Park I guess then true rock. This was a couple years back. Who knows what he does now. I heard he was Reggae now. "
Hm. Well perhaps Eminem really is technically a better rapper. I'll try listening to some other things of his but all the songs I hear of his on the radio have to do with mommy issues and it got really old after a while. Eh, perhaps I just really miss the 1990s. "
You're not the only one. I miss Blues Clues. And Little Bear. And FAce!  
*goes through Nostalgia*
 @Gambler said:  
  @Lady Tlieso said: 
" Didn't Vanilla Ice go rock for a while too? "
Yup.
 
@CortSether: Not gonna lie, I liked "Ice Ice Baby" back in the day. And still listen to "Cant Touch This." "
Me too dude. They are some good dance songs
#32 Posted by Ms. Omega (4543 posts) - - Show Bio

Because  Eminem is actually good

#33 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether said:
" Eh, perhaps I just really miss the 1990s. "
Hahaha who doesn't? Fresh Prince, Yo MTV Raps, Jim Lee art, Death Row, Tupac & Biggie, Bill Clinton, Dolly The Cloned Sheep, Ninja Turtles, Playstation, etc etc :P
#34 Posted by mattbryce2000 (1159 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether:
dude... I'M a nineties child too. i remember when vanilla ice got famous because he stole a beat from Queen. i also remember when eminem dropped his first LP and the world stood in awe. Vanilla Ice burned out over a decade ago. Eminem has been going strong since 99 and his four follow up albums are all groundbreaking. he proved to the world that not all white boys are like vanilla ice.
#35 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio

Plus Em is from the D ;)

#36 Posted by CATMANEXE--defunct (17052 posts) - - Show Bio

Ice was popular in his time, even if he was almost a one hit wonder an MTV livestock.
he's not popular now and Eminem is. same can be said for MC Hammer, New Kids,
ect. its not that era anymore so he isnt relevant anymore. regardless of his skills,
Eminem signs in the flavor of his era and will probably fade out as well.

#37 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio
@CATMANEXE said:
" Ice was popular in his time, even if he was almost a one hit wonder an MTV livestock. he's not popular now and Eminem is. same can be said for MC Hammer, New Kids, ect. its not that era anymore so he isnt relevant anymore. regardless of his skills, Eminem signs in the flavor of his era and will probably fade out as well. "
I agree and disagree. Ice was never as popular or as successful as Eminem. As someone pointed out up above, Eminem broke out in 99. He's career/longevity has already surpassed the length of Ice's who was "in" for maybe, maybe two years tops.
#38 Posted by Vance Astro (91417 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly can't tell you why.Em is more of a joke than Vanilla.I think it's more because Vanilla Ice was a white Hammer knock off.Alot of people know that if Eminem really wants to he can spit with the best of them.So that might be why they let him slide.The majority of his albums are no different thatn Weird Al's though.A bunch of name dropping and celebrity call outs.It's corny.I'm tired of hearing about his daughter,i'm sick of his tough guy act,and i'm sick of the psychotic act and the dressing up and costumes\buffonery.They are both wack,but Eminem has nothing to rap about and he knows it.His verse on "Without Me" clearly explains why nobody should take him seriously..besides his beefs with mediocre MC's and other celebrities.

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#39 Posted by CATMANEXE--defunct (17052 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler: 
i didnt say Ice was as popular as Eminem is now. in fact i said otherwise.
though it could be said the genre he was trying to break into wasnt as popular than as well.
the question posed by the OP was " Why is Vanillia Ice regarded as a joke and Eminem is not "
i was answering him and that question. my reasoning was for one that Vaniila Ice was popular then
while Eminem is now. it is simple math. i did not make a direct comparison about the level of said popularity, nor who was/is more popular than the other.
#40 Posted by Donnieman v5.1 (44323 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess it all boils down to peoples opinions in the end. And the truth is, people regard Eminem more highly than they regard Vanilla Ice.

#41 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sexy Merc said:
" Vanilla Ice sucks, has no lyrical ability, he dressed like a fruitbasket, couldn't tell a story if his career depended on it (oh wait), his flow sucks.... Eminem is the exact opposite, which is why VI is a joke and Eminem is great, not just ok. "
ROFLMAO
#42 Edited by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (84704 posts) - - Show Bio
@CATMANEXE said:

" @Gambler:  i didnt say Ice was as popular as Eminem is now. in fact i said otherwise. though it could be said the genre he was trying to break into wasnt as popular than as well. the question posed by the OP was " Why is Vanillia Ice regarded as a joke and Eminem is not " i was answering him and that question. my reasoning was for one that Vaniila Ice was popular then while Eminem is now. it is simple math. i did not make a direct comparison about the level of said popularity, nor who was/is more popular than the other. "

@CATMANEXE said:

" Ice was popular in his time, even if he was almost a one hit wonder an MTV livestock. he's not popular now and Eminem is. same can be said for MC Hammer, New Kids, ect. its not that era anymore so he isnt relevant anymore. regardless of his skills, Eminem signs in the flavor of his era and will probably fade out as well. "

This implies that the only reason Ice is more of a joke then Em is because of the era. What I was saying is that even in his era Ice was never as popular/accomplished, whatever word you want to use, as Eminem. Even when Ice was relevant it was only for a short duration. Although its not spelled out in the OP, I think reading between the lines we all know what he is asking. Why is "and was" Vanilla Ice (a white rapper) regarded as a joke, while another white rapper is held in such high esteem. He even says how his friend diss Ice for being a "wannabe" yet listen to Eminem. You say Ice was popular then, and Eminem is popular now, but as I said, Ice's then lasted about two years, while Eminem's now has lasted over 10. There are rappers from the same time period who are still making hits so its not like the reason Ice is a joke is because of the era. Its because he had one hit song and then made an ass of himself.
#43 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio

guys as retarded as CortSether sounds right now (no offense by VI sucks as a rapper and anyone that says he is good sounds stupid) its his opinion and i respect it, i personally dont like  Eminem his voice is annoying

#44 Posted by CATMANEXE--defunct (17052 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambler:
nope. sorry thats not what i was " implying ".

#45 Posted by CortSether (1761 posts) - - Show Bio
@FLCL1 said:
" guys as retarded as CortSether sounds right now (no offense by VI sucks as a rapper and anyone that says he is good sounds stupid) its his opinion and i respect it, i personally dont like  Eminem his voice is annoying "
Hey, I can like Vanilla Ice's music without being retarded! :D
#46 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether: XD
#47 Posted by DaddyCool (694 posts) - - Show Bio

I vote it is settled via rap battle. Got money on Em though.

#48 Posted by King Saturn (225200 posts) - - Show Bio
Eminem would run circles around Vanilla Ice lyrically... 
#49 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

Why is Soulja Boy considered a joke but Nas is considered ok?

#50 Posted by King Saturn (225200 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" Why is Soulja Boy considered a joke but Nas is considered ok? "
ha ha ha...