Why don't MRA's and feminists become equalists?

If they truly believe in equality why are they called men's rights activists and feminists. Why not equalists?

cause they "claim wanting equality" they really just want their gender at the top. There will never be true equality because it's not in human nature. They are driven to put people down and take sides. Why do you think religion and politics were created?

Because that's not what they really want.

Boom truth bomb....blew your mind.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for human rights and gender equality, but every time I hear the word equalist, I throw up a little in my mouth *shudders*

@bumpyboo: Is it because of Legend of Korra ?

:)

@jayc1324: This.

@consolemaster001: Hehe! I've never actually seen it.....>_>

*takes cover*

Because reasons.

Everyone is the same and should be treated as such, Bumpy. Don't you know that? There is no coke or pepsi, just soda.

@bumpyboo: WHAT ? HOW DARE YOU !

(Don't worry neither have i :p)

Because MRAs and Feminists are silly people

@bumpyboo: Why? Does equality disgust you?

@gymgoer205: Considering I mentioned being all for equality in the first part of my post, no, I guess not.

@bumpyboo: every time i hear the word feminist, I do the same u_u

Genuinely curious, why?

@bumpyboo: You said you're all for equality however the second part of your statement contradicts that. You see throwing up is usually a sign of disgust, people don't normally throw up a little in their mouth when they hear something they approve of. Maybe you do and thats okay but I hope you can understand why I assumed that equality disgusts you, as most people I know don't throw up when they hear something that they agree with.

Edit: The 1st part of your statement may not have been contradictory, it just seemed that way to me due to reasons stated above.

My apologies.

@gymgoer205: I am aware of the nature of vomit, yes. Thank you for elaborating.

@pyrogram: It's hard to explain. I guess in part because modern extremists, SJWs and misandrists have twisted the word "feminism" to mean something that it just does not mean. I have no problem with the word feminism, because when people describe equalism, they are describing what feminism was supposed to be about. There are plenty of men who self describe as feminists for example. It does not have to be the dirty word that people seem to insist it must be.

I guess I see it as pedantic. And it frustrates me that people get bogged down in the semantics of what to label something when they could use that energy actually focusing on the issues at hand. To some people, it seems that being able to apply the most appropriate and politically correct hashtag to an argument is more important than the argument itself.

@bumpyboo: I see, hard to explain, but I got you.

@bumpyboo: Then you understand the reason I assumed that equality disgusted you despite the fact that you say you're all for it? Splendid, and you're welcome. Have a nice evening.

Don't give it much thought.. They are idiots.

@bumpyboo: I agree with you 100%.

@gymgoer205: Oh sure, I see why I gave you that impression. Is all too easy to be unclear on the internet, right? :)

This is equal parts refreshing and reassuring :)

@bumpyboo: Yes it is.

Well probably because every group of people will have extremists and people whose definition and application of ideas will veer off dramatically from good sense or reason, feminists, equalists, humanists, atheists, agnostics, people who support Civil Rights, Americans, Christians, comic fans, Muslims, scientists, so on, so at what point do we or should we abandon a group, label or movement and take upon a new name, group and movement to make it easier for people to discern from the good arguments and the poor arguments, the reasonable and unreasonable? Theoretically if every feminist and MRA member all stopped being that and started being Equalists in a few years that would become a dirty word and new groups will have formed with people eventually asking why do we have Equalists and Freedomists when we can just have Niceists, all people who value being nice instead of fighting all the time? Don't Equalists and Freedomists want people to be nice?

I mean its easy to just accuse any group or even individual of not wanting something, everyone in this thread myself included is an apple. Doesn't quite work. I am a big fan of science and in science there isn't modern science or different splinter groups, good science simply wins out over bad science, and you should never waste time arguing with people who are bad at science, only people who understand science. If scientists with new theories only challenged the weakest theories and hypothesis and avoided the strongest and best in trying to validate their own work… well nothing would actually get done.

So when you take feminism at its best, as in look for the best arguments and ideas it offers? Well yes it is about equality and when you ask why its that word and say not equalism? Well its mainly to do with the history and historical context of the word. So wouldn't really be anything wrong in being for feminism, mens rights or being an equalist either, what's more important is good and sincere dialogue and also understanding how labels work, people conform and deviate and other things about human nature, behavior and so on. Other thing about human behavior is most people are naturally lazy and unreasonable, so a lot of us are going to encounter people who find it much more convenient to form straw man arguments or focus on extremes and that generally hinders good and sincere dialogue. To critique and criticize an idea and a group is very important, it just helps to be good at it.

MRA represent!!!

I actually am not part of the MRA, but I realize how unfavorable it is to be a male in society, it is just so hard to be successful as a white male...

I identify as a humanist.

Problem solved :P

So beautifully put.

Because they are bigot's.

I think it's because it's impossible to separate ourselves from our gender and altruism is a myth. So then even feminism becomes women over men, and vice versa with MRA's. No one is completely selfless and in order for their to be true equality a lot of men would have to be really truly selfless. I just don't see either gender doing that, especially men.

Selflessness is not a myth. I am selfless 60% of the time. The only thing that is impossible as far as I am concerned is being selfless 100% of the time. Selfless acts are easy, once you get used to them.

i think they "claim wanting equality" they really just want their gender at the top. There will never be true equality because it's not in human nature. They are driven to put people down and take sides. Why do you think religion and politics were created?

It comes down to ego. Humans don't want to be as selfish as we have become. Humans want to be good. It is the way the world has become that has altered our abilities to look within ourselves and see the good that it there. Ego is the rot in our hearts. Once we can learn to let go of our egos, we can learn to heal, and then we can learn to love.

Both male and females face sexism in one way or another, the MRA and Modern Feminism go overboard with their one track minds.

Whenever I meet someone who defines themselves as a feminist or whatever other kind of group, I like to ask them "don't you meant your a humanist?". I enjoy hearing they're response.

Nope, @jonnythewolf is right, true selflessness is impossible.

Both groups are knuckleheads, regardless.

Feminism has essentially been hijacked and is pushed by some as women supremacy, instead of Gender Equality (which is what it SHOULD be).
Most girls I know dislike feminists because people associate feminist's with the aforementioned idiots.

Because both groups think that vast majority of privileges are on the other side.

@big_and_bad: how would that be a humanist?

Lower your standards, and try anyway. I mean what is your definition of true selflessness... I am sure it is something stupid, and meaningless. Give me an example. And I will give you an example of what I mean by my being selfless.

Okay, don't be so rude (and I'm the one saying this).

Altruism is, by definition, impossible. This is because it requires someone to act completely unselfishly- to do something for someone else without getting anything out of it, and that's absolutely impossible. People do things that are deemed 'selfless' because they get something out of it (whether because they want to be thanked, or because it makes them feel good, or whatever). There is literally no situation in which a person does something for someone else without getting something in return.

And who's to say that's a bad thing, anyways? Mutually beneficial interactions are the foundation of human society, after all.

*sigh* By definition, feminism is about gender equality but people have stigmatized the hell out of it.

Either you understand what a feminist is, or you don't.

Anyone who believes in anything other than gender equality is not a feminist. Equalist, humanist, call yourself whatever you want but if the reason for not considering yourself a feminist is SOLELY because of the idiots who run around wanting a matriarchal society or even worse, those who think the male gender are all brainless neanderthals then I guess, yes, I prefer you didn't call yourself a feminist. Like them, you don't know what feminism is.