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#1 Posted by TifaLockhart (14050 posts) - - Show Bio

C'mon, man, I miss you.

#2 Posted by Saren (25674 posts) - - Show Bio

Was this directed at someone in particular?

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#3 Posted by TifaLockhart (14050 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes and yes.

#4 Edited by joewell (6360 posts) - - Show Bio
#5 Posted by Nearl (2514 posts) - - Show Bio

me!

#6 Edited by TifaLockhart (14050 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone who doesn't post lately. It could use some more traffic.

#7 Posted by Nearl (2514 posts) - - Show Bio

oh..

#8 Posted by TifaLockhart (14050 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, no one has decoded my cryptic message yet.

#9 Posted by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

Im tired of the same old arguments. Im tired of correcting complete misinformation in every debate. Im tired of people only saying who would win based on who they like more. The Batmans and Wolverines (and in the past the Gokus) of the world kill battle debates. Batman couldnt beat anything more than low level metas, yet in a debate its always argued he could beat anyone, with the only argument being preptime. Wolverine is nearly impossible to kill, sure, but what can he do against nigh invulnerable, super fast characters? The only joy I get is Wolverine vs Batman threads lol.

#10 Posted by TifaLockhart (14050 posts) - - Show Bio

Vegeta fan?

#11 Edited by JJ62 (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@deaditegonzo: THIS.

Plus, to me it gets a bit hypocritical at times because we don't (or at least we shouldn't) base our love for the characters off of their power sets. I don't mind having a fight debate now and then, Hulk vs Superman, Daredevil vs Batman, Thor vs Wonder Woman, etc. I enjoy them when folks are willing to put aside preference and think objectively, but that honestly rarely happens. And when you like a character based purely off of how powerful they are then it gets kinda stupid IMO.

#12 Edited by deaditegonzo (3686 posts) - - Show Bio

Vegeta fan?

Dude, I love DBZ more than pretty much any comic book or comic book character. I also accept that Mystic Gohan, Goku SSJ3, and Buutenks are the single most powerful Dragon Ball characters.

That said, not a ONE OF THEM could defeat a high herald level character, Thor, Superman, Captain Marvel, etc.

#13 Edited by spinningbirdcake (1430 posts) - - Show Bio

The reasons above me. It seems like people don't realize that strength isn't what makes a super hero powerful, it's the lack of it and the perseverance due to that lack of strength that makes them powerful. Darksied can, has, and probably will in the future, proceeded to b!tch slap Superman left and right, but he just gets up and keeps fighting. That's what makes him great. So saying Hulk is weaker than Thor or Thor is weaker than Hulk just isn't an interesting debate to me I suppose.

#14 Edited by JediXMan (30592 posts) - - Show Bio

I do post there on rare occasion. But basically everyone I respect is gone, so I really don't feel like debating with those who remain.

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#15 Posted by Teerack (6254 posts) - - Show Bio

The reasons above me. It seems like people don't realize that strength isn't what makes a super hero powerful, it's the lack of it and the perseverance due to that lack of strength that makes them powerful. Darksied can, has, and probably will in the future, proceeded to b!tch slap Superman left and right, but he just gets up and keeps fighting. That's what makes him great. So saying Hulk is weaker than Thor or Thor is weaker than Hulk just isn't an interesting debate to me I suppose.

That, and when people can't accept that they're wrong and say "it's bad writing"

#16 Edited by JJ62 (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack: I agree there. When proven wrong, many will blame it on bad writing. Honestly, there is no end to the "bad writing" argument, I can argue against every single feat of every character and call it bad writing.

#17 Edited by Saren (25674 posts) - - Show Bio

There's usually not much worth debating and no one worth debating with. All the established debaters eventually started debating less and less, and eventually I got bored as well and now I post sporadically depending on whether anything catches my interest. I've also sort of lost the patience to address ridiculous arguments, of which the battle forum is in no short supply; if someone says something that's just plain absurd, I simply don't bother replying to it. A policy like that makes the odds of replying to a thread slimmer considering how much absurdity most threads contain.

Each new crop of debaters is worse than the one that came before. Most of them will gladly ignore context and relevant details while posting feats from issues they've never read, and the reliance on respect threads over any actual material they've read is ridiculous. I've seen clowns who posted scans of a fight between two characters A and B; they claimed B won the fight and was superior even though the issue itself states that the fight was faked. When I pointed this out, aforementioned clown actually tried to claim he wasn't in the wrong because the respect thread he flicked the scans from didn't mention the context, and who was he to question a respect thread or read the issue instead of just googling scans?

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#18 Posted by spinningbirdcake (1430 posts) - - Show Bio

@jj62: @teerack: Yeah the "Oh that's just PIS" argument does pop up quite often. Bit of a shame as some of my favorite stories in comics come from my favorite characters getting beaten badly.

#19 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4799 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm just not very familiar with every character to decide who I think would win, and every time I do I get posts from fanboys letting me know how wrong I am in a pompous manner that I find annoying. I also think a lot of matches shouldn't even be discussed if it is such an easy "curbstomp."

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#20 Posted by JJ62 (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

To me it just gets old, "Who can beat who??" doesn't really matter to me anymore...

#21 Edited by Teerack (6254 posts) - - Show Bio

@spinningbirdcake: Agree it's always more interesting to see a character struggle from time to time appose to just running around being unbeatable.

#22 Posted by JJ62 (1299 posts) - - Show Bio
#23 Edited by The Stegman (24362 posts) - - Show Bio

It's become a shell of its former self.

Blah blah blah "This guy stomps"

blah blah blah "spite"

blah blah blah, "I'll just state who I like more as the winner with no further explaination"

Blah blah blah "Flame Wars Episode II: Attack of the Trolls"

Blah blah blah, Flash solos

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#24 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4799 posts) - - Show Bio

It's become a shell of its former self.

Blah blah blah "This guy stomps"

blah blah blah "spite"

blah blah blah, "I'll just state who I like more as the winner with no further explaination"

Blah blah blah "Flame Wars Episode II: Attack of the Trolls"

Blah blah blah, Flash solos

This

SO much

this

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#25 Posted by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

Sense of superiority from some posters -- old and new in terms of their perceptions of themselves and others. Pandering and ego-stroking and ignorance and belligerence and plain old trolling. I read battles more than I partake in them because it's amusing reading all these factions interact.

Popularity contests as well. Which is the same on other forums as well, to be fair. It's just more blatant on the Battles forums.

#26 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29500 posts) - - Show Bio

The battles forum was never good.

It was just less entertaining.

Now it's a thing of beauty.

#27 Edited by Illuminatus (9509 posts) - - Show Bio

Debating used to be an amenable, challenging, and thereby rewarding way for me to blow off steam stemming from the real world. The battle forums used to be filled with people who were excellent debaters, and it had nothing to do with their vast comic book acumen. I rarely see a remnant of that bygone era, and when functionally illiterate teenagers without the slightest concept of context or constructing legitimate, logically sound arguments start to become the majority, all hope is lost into the abyss of despair.

#28 Posted by laflux (15888 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis said:

Sense of superiority from some posters -- old and new in terms of their perceptions of themselves and others. Pandering and ego-stroking and ignorance and belligerence and plain old trolling. I read battles more than I partake in them because it's amusing reading all these factions interact.

Popularity contests as well. Which is the same on other forums as well, to be fair. It's just more blatant on the Battles forums.

The following point intrigues me. Enlighten me, great one.......

See what I did there

but seriously.

The battles forum was never good.

It was just less entertaining.

Now it's a thing of beauty.

I am the only one who thinks that Trolls have reduced in number or at least remained stable? There was always a great troll of each age in Comicvine. We have had rygi, Klandicar, Ternimator_Fan all ravage the boards over the past few years. Trolls come and go......

And this is a more general point. People tend to get better at debating as time goes on. I can think of several cases of people noticeably improving as time has gone on here.

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#29 Edited by ARMIV2 (8520 posts) - - Show Bio

I rarely post in battles for kind of the same reasons I don't go into religious debates.

#30 Posted by Fuchsia_Nightingale (10180 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not seven :P

#31 Edited by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@teerack: "it's bad writing"

this, although there are some rare cases (SMvFL) where characters who have literally no chance whatsoever defeating an obviously stronger one. Squirrel girl is not because she was tailor made with that purpose, fun personified in a glum world. KK works on wuxia rules, it seems that fans didn't get the spirit behind why the characters are made.

@jj62:I enjoy them when folks are willing to put aside preference and think objectively, but that honestly rarely happens.

this, truth be told I became a fan of wildstorm after reading the battle threads. On of my faves got whomped by middy then I picked up his books. Safe to say I was hooked, then I became a fan.

@deaditegonzo: . Im tired of people only saying who would win based on who they like more.

this, perhaps re-education and tier levels should be established in battle forums

#32 Posted by Aiden Cross (15569 posts) - - Show Bio

I used to. But a lot of people don't debate or try to learn things from others, they just try to prove they're right even when they're wrong. It's pointless then.

#33 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18032 posts) - - Show Bio

I used to. But a lot of people don't debate or try to learn things from others, they just try to prove they're right even when they're wrong. It's pointless then.

#34 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow...I didn't know that so many of you vets are so disenchanted with the Battles boards.

I don't frequent it as often as others, and I don't have the patience for an extended CaV-style debate, but I do drop in every now and then. I've had some fun back-and-forths, and there's still the occasional entertaining debate by skilled debaters. Granted, there are some bad apples, but I've learned not to take these discussions too seriously.

#35 Posted by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux:

I am speaking of myself, of course. I pander and ego-stroke.

Cuz I wanna be one of the kewl kidz.

Gotta shmooze, dude.

Shmoooooooze....

#36 Edited by laflux (15888 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis said:

@laflux:

I am speaking of myself, of course. I pander and ego-stroke.

Cuz I wanna be one of the kewl kidz.

Gotta shmooze, dude.

Shmoooooooze....

There is a sly written jab at me written in there because I've made clear my factions concerning certain people on Comicvine.

For that, I applaud you :P

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#37 Posted by BumpyBoo (9230 posts) - - Show Bio

@lykopis said:

@laflux:

I am speaking of myself, of course. I pander and ego-stroke.

Cuz I wanna be one of the kewl kidz.

Gotta shmooze, dude.

Shmoooooooze....

This is one of my favourite things you have ever said XD

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#38 Posted by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux:

**blinks innocently**

I haven't the faintest.....

#39 Edited by lykopis (10746 posts) - - Show Bio
#40 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33361 posts) - - Show Bio

the Battle thread is boring because it's pointless, pepole seem to think characters are defined by a rigid set of rules that cannot be over come but that is just straight up false, characters will do everything and anything the writer needs them to do. Asking who would win between character X and character Y is like asking who would win a fight between the wind and the rain.

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#41 Posted by Killemall (18564 posts) - - Show Bio

I used to be very fond of battle forum, not as much. I think these days its more about trying to justify your position rather than trying to listen to another people argument. Its weird some people are so averse of correction they would do everything they can do try and make it sound what they are saying is and has always been reasonable regardless of the overwhelming evidence to contrary.

I think the place just gets a little too hostile, i do still post on Battle forum, not nearly as often as i used to.

#42 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

some people seem to think that everyone else needs to listen to their arguments'

but they shouldn't listen to anyone else's arguements

#43 Edited by Myrmidon_ (5080 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: Ohh you get beat again and don't call backup? :P

#44 Posted by laflux (15888 posts) - - Show Bio

@laflux: Ohh you get beat again and don't call backup? :P

Pshhhhhhh. I didn't get beat. I'm proud of who I am :D

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#45 Posted by Myrmidon_ (5080 posts) - - Show Bio
#46 Edited by FlashDamn (947 posts) - - Show Bio

It is not because it got unpopular it is because it cant be bumped to the recent activity board(GLITCH) so people dont notice most of its threads

#47 Edited by God_Spawn (37878 posts) - - Show Bio

I do all the time. It's just more along the lines of banning, warning, locking, and deleting threads than debating nowadays.

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#48 Posted by MrDirector786 (43553 posts) - - Show Bio

I stopped going not because of fanboys and trolls but because original battles got ignored while battles that had been done to death got so much attention. I came to accept that there will always be users who troll, refuse to listen to other's arguments, and were just not good at debating so I kind of learned to live with it. On the other hand, I got sick of seeing only battles like "Thor vs Superman" or "Superman vs Hulk" or "Hulk vs Thor" or whatever get so much attention while battles that had lesser used characters or more original battle scenarios got ignored. It's like someone would make a battle that's never been done and made an interesting scenario, then someone makes "Superman with a Green Lantern Ring vs Thor with a Blue Lantern Ring" and the latter thread is the one that gets all the attention.

It also didn't help when other users also said that we need more original battles and we need to stop giving so much attention to mismatches and overdone battles and yet many of them were the ones who posted the most in the overdone battles....

#49 Edited by blur99 (373 posts) - - Show Bio

the Battle thread is boring because it's pointless, pepole seem to think characters are defined by a rigid set of rules that cannot be over come but that is just straight up false, characters will do everything and anything the writer needs them to do. Asking who would win between character X and character Y is like asking who would win a fight between the wind and the rain.

Great post. And each writer sometimes write the characters differently.

Also most of the great battles have been done already.

#50 Posted by Wolf_of_the_West (65 posts) - - Show Bio

There's usually not much worth debating and no one worth debating with. All the established debaters eventually started debating less and less, and eventually I got bored as well and now I post sporadically depending on whether anything catches my interest. I've also sort of lost the patience to address ridiculous arguments, of which the battle forum is in no short supply; if someone says something that's just plain absurd, I simply don't bother replying to it. A policy like that makes the odds of replying to a thread slimmer considering how much absurdity most threads contain.

Each new crop of debaters is worse than the one that came before. Most of them will gladly ignore context and relevant details while posting feats from issues they've never read, and the reliance on respect threads over any actual material they've read is ridiculous. I've seen clowns who posted scans of a fight between two characters A and B; they claimed B won the fight and was superior even though the issue itself states that the fight was faked. When I pointed this out, aforementioned clown actually tried to claim he wasn't in the wrong because the respect thread he flicked the scans from didn't mention the context, and who was he to question a respect thread or read the issue instead of just googling scans?

Basically this. I use to have thousands of posts on battle forum alone and the thing that kept me going was to excellent quality of CV's debaters. Of course there were trolls too, but now most of the top debaters have moved on to other sites or quit debating. So opportunities for a good debate are slim.