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#1 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7501 posts) - - Show Bio

like, seriously, I can think of no media that atkles place in space, is science fiction, and doesn't have psychic characters

even shows that strive for semblance of scientific accuracy, like Firefly, have River Tam

any idea why this is?

#2 Edited by Crom-Cruach (8869 posts) - - Show Bio

There are dozens of sci-fi worlds without psychics

#3 Posted by DecoyElite (4019 posts) - - Show Bio

There are dozens of sci-fi worlds without psychics

Far more than just dozens if you count non-mainstream stuff.

#4 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8869 posts) - - Show Bio

@crom_cruach said:

There are dozens of sci-fi worlds without psychics

Far more than just dozens if you count non-mainstream stuff.

Dozens here in my statement was not meant as in 12. But as a generic statement of thjere being lots of sci-fi worlds without psychics

#5 Edited by DecoyElite (4019 posts) - - Show Bio

@decoyelite said:

@crom_cruach said:

There are dozens of sci-fi worlds without psychics

Far more than just dozens if you count non-mainstream stuff.

Dozens here in my statement was not meant as in 12. But as a generic statement of thjere being lots of sci-fi worlds without psychics

Everything must be literal!

#6 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8869 posts) - - Show Bio

Everything must be literal!

So we meet again my Arch-nemesis Captain Obvious! Let this be our final battle!

#7 Edited by DecoyElite (4019 posts) - - Show Bio

@decoyelite said:

Everything must be literal!

So we meet again my Arch-nemesis Captain Obvious! Let this be our final battle!

Today will be remembered as the day subtlety died!

#8 Edited by Crom-Cruach (8869 posts) - - Show Bio

My solliliquies will draw beautiful persimons that will beget scarlet strokes accross your canvas!

#9 Posted by hyiena (1982 posts) - - Show Bio

A lot of times Aliens have psychic abilities is because are thought to be more evolved than we are yet.

#10 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8869 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyiena said:

A lot of times Aliens have psychic abilities is because are thought to be more evolved than we are yet.

which frankly is just lazy writing too often in sci-fi stories.

#11 Posted by hyiena (1982 posts) - - Show Bio

It just helps to be more advanced to explain why they figured out how to travel in space faster than we have accomplished.

#12 Posted by tupiaz (2241 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyiena said:

A lot of times Aliens have psychic abilities is because are thought to be more evolved than we are yet.

which frankly is just lazy writing too often in sci-fi stories.

Sci-fi is always lazy writing. That is the difference between science fiction and sic-fi.

#13 Posted by Squares (8392 posts) - - Show Bio

It doesn't.

#14 Posted by Nelomaxwell (10703 posts) - - Show Bio

They're tropes

#15 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7501 posts) - - Show Bio

@crom_cruach said:

There are dozens of sci-fi worlds without psychics

Far more than just dozens if you count non-mainstream stuff.

could you name any sci-fi works that take place in space and have no psychics?

@squares said:

It doesn't.

when does it not?

#16 Posted by DecoyElite (4019 posts) - - Show Bio
#17 Edited by Betatesthighlander1 (7501 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Posted by DecoyElite (4019 posts) - - Show Bio

@betatesthighlander1: Okay, then this one story with this armor thing that I don't remember the name of.

#19 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7501 posts) - - Show Bio
#20 Posted by DecoyElite (4019 posts) - - Show Bio
#21 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7501 posts) - - Show Bio
#22 Posted by DecoyElite (4019 posts) - - Show Bio
#23 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7501 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Edited by Squares (8392 posts) - - Show Bio

@decoyelite said:

@crom_cruach said:

There are dozens of sci-fi worlds without psychics

Far more than just dozens if you count non-mainstream stuff.

could you name any sci-fi works that take place in space and have no psychics?

@squares said:

It doesn't.

when does it not?

Ahem, let's see...

I don't recall any psychics in anything I've read written by Arthur C. Clarke, for one- Earthlight, 2001: A Space Odyssey, The Sands of Mars...need I go on? There's quite a few Asimov stories that don't involve psychics- The Currents of Space, for one, and The Martian Way. There's got to be some Ray Bradbury stories that don't involve psychics.

Were there any psychics in the new Star Trek movies? I don't remember them very well.

#25 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7501 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares:

Wasn't the moloith essentially psychic?

and Asimov, RB-34 from "Liar!" was psychic

and SPock is still a telepath

#26 Edited by mrdecepticonleader (18710 posts) - - Show Bio

"In space no one can hear you think"

#27 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7501 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader: damn, that's a good point

I mean, a little bit in the novelization of Resurrection

#28 Posted by Squares (8392 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares:

Wasn't the moloith essentially psychic?

and Asimov, RB-34 from "Liar!" was psychic

and SPock is still a telepath

Last time I checked you had to be a living thing to be a telepath, and I'm pretty sure the monolith isn't alive. I said quite a few Asimov stories, not all. Note that I mentioned ones I knew didn't have psychics.

Your assertation was that Space Sci-fi always has psychics. It doesn't.

#29 Edited by mrdecepticonleader (18710 posts) - - Show Bio

@betatesthighlander1 said:

@mrdecepticonleader: damn, that's a good point

I mean, a little bit in the novelization of Resurrection

Novelization. ? Pulling at straws a bit there.

And even if that was the case the first Alien still has no psychic connections. So there ya go :)

#30 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7501 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader: yes, but the universe does

@squares said:

@betatesthighlander1 said:

@squares:

Wasn't the moloith essentially psychic?

and Asimov, RB-34 from "Liar!" was psychic

and SPock is still a telepath

Last time I checked you had to be a living thing to be a telepath, and I'm pretty sure the monolith isn't alive. I said quite a few Asimov stories, not all. Note that I mentioned ones I knew didn't have psychics.

Your assertation was that Space Sci-fi always has psychics. It doesn't.

How do you figure that? it effects the minds of others directly, that is telepathy in some form

and the larger universe still has psychics

#31 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18710 posts) - - Show Bio
#32 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7501 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader: well, I geuss my question was more about why every time people build a space-society, psychics come up

#33 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18710 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader: well, I geuss my question was more about why every time people build a space-society, psychics come up

But they don't. The Alien franchise is a good example of that.

#34 Posted by russellmania77 (15807 posts) - - Show Bio

They come pretty handy

#35 Edited by Squares (8392 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader: yes, but the universe does

@squares said:

@betatesthighlander1 said:

@squares:

Wasn't the moloith essentially psychic?

and Asimov, RB-34 from "Liar!" was psychic

and SPock is still a telepath

Last time I checked you had to be a living thing to be a telepath, and I'm pretty sure the monolith isn't alive. I said quite a few Asimov stories, not all. Note that I mentioned ones I knew didn't have psychics.

Your assertation was that Space Sci-fi always has psychics. It doesn't.

How do you figure that? it effects the minds of others directly, that is telepathy in some form

and the larger universe still has psychics

But it's not alive.

#36 Edited by Betatesthighlander1 (7501 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares: neither was RB-34 in the strictest sense, and he was telepathic

@betatesthighlander1 said:

@mrdecepticonleader: well, I geuss my question was more about why every time people build a space-society, psychics come up

But they don't. The Alien franchise is a good example of that.

fair enough

any idea why they don't while so many others do?

#37 Edited by Agent_California (762 posts) - - Show Bio

That's not psionics, that's creating force fields from the armor that move stuff via your neural commands to your suit.

If you want Psychics in Halo, look to the Precurors who, in their form as the flood, could predator net entire solar systems apart with cosmic strings (like one dimensional black holes), in a smaller scale variation of the Xeelee's "piano wire a galaxy apart via cosmic strings" trick.

#38 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7501 posts) - - Show Bio
#39 Edited by Guardian_of_Gravity (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

@betatesthighlander1: And if you want a quote for the Flood being able to break space and time, think up invulnerable cosmic death wires, shut down technology, and "infect" A.Is with a virus that turns them just as surely as infection forms turn organic beings, read Greg Bear's Forerunner trilogy.

#40 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (6034 posts) - - Show Bio

Predators

After Earth

#41 Edited by MaccyD (5110 posts) - - Show Bio

@guardiandevil83: Predators is in the same universe as Aliens which has been mentioned.

#42 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18710 posts) - - Show Bio

@squares: neither was RB-34 in the strictest sense, and he was telepathic

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@betatesthighlander1 said:

@mrdecepticonleader: well, I geuss my question was more about why every time people build a space-society, psychics come up

But they don't. The Alien franchise is a good example of that.

fair enough

any idea why they don't while so many others do?

Not all do, as other people have mentioned. Most Sci Fi in general doesn't seem to.

@maccyd said:

@guardiandevil83: Predators is in the same universe as Aliens which has been mentioned.

Reason I did not mention Predator was because the OP was talking about Sci Fi that took place in space, and the Predator films don't take place in space.

#43 Edited by Betatesthighlander1 (7501 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader: most space-centric sci-fi in gernal does have psychics

one universe has been provided where there are none (even than, only kinda)

#44 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18710 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader: most space-centric sci-fi in gernal does have psychics

one universe has been provided where there are none (even than, only kinda)

How so only kinda? Where are there psychics in the Aliens universe?

And by space centric you mean just set in space?

#45 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (12505 posts) - - Show Bio

If something i leanr from Star Trek the next generation.

Was to show their tits.

#46 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7501 posts) - - Show Bio
#47 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18710 posts) - - Show Bio
#48 Edited by Deadite (25132 posts) - - Show Bio

Not trying to destroy your buzz, because I love all sci-fi threads but just the recent sci-fi movies alone would knock down this claim.

  1. District 9
  2. The Thing (prequel)
  3. Elysium
  4. Gamer
  5. Pacific Rim
  6. Moon
  7. Oblivion
  8. Real Steel
  9. Rise of the Planet of the Apes
  10. Predator (remake)
  11. Inception
  12. Daybreaker
  13. Surrogates
  14. Pandorum
  15. Splice

There're a lot of movie that has psychic elements involve, but not to the scale where they're taking over it all.

#49 Edited by Betatesthighlander1 (7501 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader: OK, so taht is one example of a univese with no psychics

any others?

@deadite said:

Not trying to destroy your buzz, because I love all sci-fi threads but just the recent sci-fi movies alone would knock down this claim.

  1. District 9
  2. The Thing (prequel)
  3. Elysium
  4. Gamer
  5. Pacific Rim
  6. Moon
  7. Oblivion
  8. Real Steel

There're a lot of movie that has psychic elements involve, but not to the scale where they're taking over it all.

first of all, Pacific Rim had psychics (The Kaiju and their masters shared a mind)

second, not very many of those actually had any space stuff (Reel Steal and Gamer for sure)

#50 Edited by mrdecepticonleader (18710 posts) - - Show Bio

@betatesthighlander1: Are you talking about universes as a whole?

Transformers. Is one off the top of my head.