@rd189 said:
For arguments sake:
While the majority of scientists do agree that the increase of human produced CO2 is a direct result of industrial activities, there are still mountains of issues with this conclusion, such as:
-If human produced Carbon Dioxide has increased, why have the levels of naturally produced C02 not increased with them?
-If the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is indeed causing increased temperatures via a greenhouse effect, why has Arctic ice coverage increased every year since 2005
-What, if any effect, does carbon dioxide have on the atmosphere, considering the presence of natural gases such as nitrogen and oxygen?
Also, it's well known the IPCC blocks any data that contradicts it's accepted version of events.
Further more, NASA had a satellite that was measuring JUST temperature, for almost 11 years, and it only measured a .05 increase in temperature.
Check out some more stuff here, Justfacts.com Climate Change
1. Why would naturally produced CO2 increase?
2. You have to look at it on a long term global scale. Globally and over multiple years the mean temperature is increasing. You cannot focus on specific regions or years and get an accurate representation of the trend. Also what source is the finding that ice coverage has increased come from? Can you link me to it?
3. I don't understand your question. CO2, Nitrogen, and Oxygen are all different elements and have vastly different effects.
4. The IPCC doesn't have the power to block insependent scientists. It is not some vast conspiracy in the scientific community. If there was significant evidence to contradict climate chang it would come forward.
5. (.05) is still 5%, that is a drastic change in basically a decade. If you view it in the span of millenia then you will see that is a very rapid change.
1) Well naturally the levels of C02 increasing would coincide with each other. However, naturally produced C02 levels have remained generally stable. Therefore, it would appear the processes with which Co2 is naturally absorbed are absorbing the increased output of man made co2.
2) Global temperature has only increased by .05 degrees though, over the course of at least 20 years since they started measuring. Further, by using proxy data (as explained from my link) we can infer temperature increases prior to the 80s correspond with this trend. As for the ice:
Here , Here , and This guy here
3) I should have expanded this. So much attention is made on Co2, that we dont take into account the other elements of the atmosphere. Is the presence of increased levels of c02 affecting these gases?
4) See Climategate
5) 0.05 is not 5%, that would be 0.05%, and thats over at least 30 years.
I'll put it in a perspective. Obama is opposed to the keystone XL pipeline coming out of Alberta, for one of many reasons being that it will, his words "drastically increase" C02 levels in Alberta. According to a full study done by Environment Canada, the oil sands (an area roughly the size of the N.E United States) is responsible for about .5% of Alberta's total C02 emmisions. Alberta in turn is responsible for about 2-3% of Canada's emmisions and Canada is responsible for maybe, 5% of global emmisions. The U.S in turn, with coal fired plants and fraking operations everywhere, is responsible for about 64% of global c02 emmissions.
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