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Poll: Who's going to hell? (54 votes)

Hell yes! 59%
Hell no! 41%

Assuming it's a real place, do you think you'd go to hell if you died this instant?

#51 Edited by Racob7 (5528 posts) - - Show Bio
#52 Posted by Illuminatus (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

true but the bible claims the earth is only what 1,000 years old? and that adam and eve weren't cave people.

which of course evolution proves false. the earth was also formed over billions of years after the Big Bang. Not created totally in 7 days with people and all.

The Bible itself claims no such thing. It was a Pope several centuries ago who used sketchy arithmetic and chronological reasoning to determine, from the Bible, that the Earth is somewhere under 10,000 years old. The Bible in of itself is not very chalk full of comprehensive interval data, with the most concrete assertions being the amount of time it took to create Earth.

#53 Posted by youmessinwithme (1184 posts) - - Show Bio

@racob7:

well with that I have a bold statement of my own.

#54 Posted by Jonez120 (4027 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran: Genesis 2:7

"Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature."

A passage from The Holy Bible. It states that God created man out of dust. Take it as metaphorical or not, it states than man was made out of dust.

Evolution directly contradicts that as Darwin states that humans are descendants of earlier primates, and that we slowly became humans as adapting to the environment over time.

Two good theories, wait I take that back. One good theory proven by science, and one good assumption written by a man in the Middle Ages who thought bathing was bad for you.

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#55 Posted by youmessinwithme (1184 posts) - - Show Bio

I'M THE SON OF ZEUS MOTHERF*CKERS!!!!!!

and all you pathetic mortals are going to suffer an eternity in my uncles firey Kingdom.

#56 Posted by JetiiMitra (8398 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran said:


Agreed. This isn't going anywhere anyway. While there isn't any real proof he does exist, there aren't any facts that help disprove his authenticity (barring evolution). So let's just agree that we disagree.

This argument has been made 1,000,000 times and neither Atheists or Theists have ever won

Evolution doesn't necessarily disprove the Christian God.

true but the bible claims the earth is only what 1,000 years old? and that adam and eve weren't cave people.

which of course evolution proves false. the earth was also formed over billions of years after the Big Bang. Not created totally in 7 days with people and all.

I'm very, very on the fence as to what I believe so I'll post what I can remember but I won't have anywhere near all the answers you probably want.

I don't think so. Going through some maths there's like 10,000 years of recorded history. However, I don't think there's ever been an actual age stated for the Earth. For the 7 days, I've personally heard a lot of debate over what "day" means in the Bible. Could be a revolution of the Earth or it could be billions of years. According to the latter, "day" is just a time period and God created everything in 7 such time periods that we understand as days. And that would make sense for an eternal God; a billion years vs a day would be equally significant to a being with no beginning or end. I'm not sure about Adam and Eve being cave people or not. It's possible, I guess, they were the first Homo Sapiens. It's worth noting that the Bible doesn't give a time period as to how long they were in Eden.

#57 Posted by Transformers1024 (1782 posts) - - Show Bio

Sad to say, but I fear I would..

#58 Posted by youmessinwithme (1184 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran said:

@youmessinwithme said:

@mitran said:

Agreed. This isn't going anywhere anyway. While there isn't any real proof he does exist, there aren't any facts that help disprove his authenticity (barring evolution). So let's just agree that we disagree.

This argument has been made 1,000,000 times and neither Atheists or Theists have ever won

Evolution doesn't necessarily disprove the Christian God.

true but the bible claims the earth is only what 1,000 years old? and that adam and eve weren't cave people.

which of course evolution proves false. the earth was also formed over billions of years after the Big Bang. Not created totally in 7 days with people and all.

I'm very, very on the fence as to what I believe so I'll post what I can remember but I won't have anywhere near all the answers you probably want.

I don't think so. Going through some maths there's like 10,000 years of recorded history. However, I don't think there's ever been an actual age stated for the Earth. For the 7 days, I've personally heard a lot of debate over what "day" means in the Bible. Could be a revolution of the Earth or it could be billions of years. According to the latter, "day" is just a time period and God created everything in 7 such time periods that we understand as days. And that would make sense for an eternal God; a billion years vs a day would be equally significant to a being with no beginning or end. I'm not sure about Adam and Eve being cave people or not. It's possible, I guess, they were the first Homo Sapiens. It's worth noting that the Bible doesn't give a time period as to how long they were in Eden.

yeah someone cleared up the age of the earth thing. and if those 7 cycles were a billion years. god sucks at math. and if those were 7 days well....

and they didn't age when in eden so the amount of time they spent their would irrelevant.

#59 Edited by CyborgZod (148 posts) - - Show Bio

If God and Hell were real then I'm probably going there cause I don't believe that shit. Also any god that would punish me for eternity cause I don't believe in him is a douche and doesn't deserve to be worshiped. Suck it God!

#60 Edited by Billy Batson (57916 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd rather go to other fictional places.

But obligatory:

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#61 Edited by JetiiMitra (8398 posts) - - Show Bio

@youmessinwithme said:

yeah someone cleared up the age of the earth thing. and if those 7 cycles were a billion years. god sucks at math. and if those were 7 days well....

and they didn't age when in eden so the amount of time they spent their would irrelevant.

No, that would be human interpretation failing to understand the scope of how long it actually took. But 7 time periods plays into 7 days pretty well.

The people didn't age but the Earth would have.

@jonez120 said:

@mitran: Genesis 2:7

"Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature."

A passage from The Holy Bible. It states that God created man out of dust. Take it as metaphorical or not, it states than man was made out of dust.

Evolution directly contradicts that as Darwin states that humans are descendants of earlier primates, and that we slowly became humans as adapting to the environment over time.

Two good theories, wait I take that back. One good theory proven by science, and one good assumption written by a man in the Middle Ages who thought bathing was bad for you.

And this doesn't disprove the existence of the Christian God, only serves as a contradiction between evolution and the Bible.

Still, take evolution back some. Like, back to the beginning. I'm talking first reactions of amino acids. Those would be indistinguishable from dust. Going through with that and the evolutionary process, you'll eventually get to man. Now I don't know all the reasoning behind this because it isn't something I ever learned, only heard about occasionally. But it is one way for the two to co-exist. And yes, I know it's a stretch.

As I said before, I'm very, very on the fence as to what I believe. So I'm not trying to defend anything. I'm just, in this case, pointing out that evolution doesn't disprove the existence of a God.

Edit: I'm also not getting what the point was in bringing up the "man in the Middle Ages." It seemed like it was supposed to be a snide remark.

#62 Posted by Avenger85 (1627 posts) - - Show Bio

You are ALL going to hell. Like it or not...

#63 Edited by youmessinwithme (1184 posts) - - Show Bio

If God and Hell were real then I'm probably going there cause I don't believe that shit. Also any god that would punish me for eternity cause I don't believe in him is a douche and doesn't deserve to be worshiped. Suck it God!

than He is not god. and you need not worry.

#64 Posted by CyborgZod (148 posts) - - Show Bio

You are ALL going to hell. Like it or not...

It's better to rule in Hell, than to serve in Heaven.

#65 Posted by youmessinwithme (1184 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran:

you also can not disprove the existence of my father Zeus or his father before him cronos.

#66 Posted by CyborgZod (148 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyborgzod said:

If God and Hell were real then I'm probably going there cause I don't believe that shit. Also any god that would punish me for eternity cause I don't believe in him is a douche and doesn't deserve to be worshiped. Suck it God!

than He is not god. and you need not worry.

Hahaha... I'm not worried. :-)

#67 Posted by JetiiMitra (8398 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran:

you also can not disprove the existence of my father Zeus or his father before him cronos.

Why would I try or want to? I've already stated twice now, both posts you were tagged in, that I don't necessarily believe in what I was typing, simply clarifying.

I only spoke about evolution in relation to the Christian God. If you want me to say it, no, I guess evolution doesn't disprove the existence of the ancient Greek gods either.

#68 Posted by youmessinwithme (1184 posts) - - Show Bio

@youmessinwithme said:

@cyborgzod said:

If God and Hell were real then I'm probably going there cause I don't believe that shit. Also any god that would punish me for eternity cause I don't believe in him is a douche and doesn't deserve to be worshiped. Suck it God!

than He is not god. and you need not worry.

Hahaha... I'm not worried. :-)

that's just a quote from a movie, I wouldn't be worried either :P

#69 Edited by lifeofvibe (3463 posts) - - Show Bio

not me cause i just repent for my sins :p

#70 Posted by CyborgZod (148 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyborgzod said:

@youmessinwithme said:

@cyborgzod said:

If God and Hell were real then I'm probably going there cause I don't believe that shit. Also any god that would punish me for eternity cause I don't believe in him is a douche and doesn't deserve to be worshiped. Suck it God!

than He is not god. and you need not worry.

Hahaha... I'm not worried. :-)

that's just a quote from a movie, I wouldn't be worried either :P

Oh crap I didn't get that. Kingdom of Heaven???

#71 Edited by Fallschirmjager (16305 posts) - - Show Bio
#72 Edited by Jonez120 (4027 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran: Just so I'm not mistaken, you're saying that the creation process (of man) god underwent was evolution? It's an interesting thought process, did you come up with that? It really makes you think...

Call it snide if you want, I'm just saying that people were 'hella dumb in the medieval period.

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#73 Posted by youmessinwithme (1184 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran said:

@youmessinwithme said:

@mitran:

you also can not disprove the existence of my father Zeus or his father before him cronos.

Why would I try or want to? I've already stated twice now, both posts you were tagged in, that I don't necessarily believe in what I was typing, simply clarifying.

I only spoke about evolution in relation to the Christian God. If you want me to say it, no, I guess evolution doesn't disprove the existence of the ancient Greek gods either.

well just the fact that saying you can't disprove something isn't a very strong argument.

But no one seems to use the lack of evidence to prove Zeus or Thor aren't real as evidence to support their existence.

you can't prove unicorns are real. you will never be able to prove unicorns are real.

No one will ever be able to prove unicorns aren't real either though.

but the reason why you can't is because they're not real. and therefore there is no proof of them what so ever.

you will never have concrete evidence that spider-man is or isn't real(like you can't prove to anyone that he's not out there hiding). but that's because he isn't.

#74 Posted by youmessinwithme (1184 posts) - - Show Bio

@youmessinwithme said:

@cyborgzod said:

@youmessinwithme said:

@cyborgzod said:

If God and Hell were real then I'm probably going there cause I don't believe that shit. Also any god that would punish me for eternity cause I don't believe in him is a douche and doesn't deserve to be worshiped. Suck it God!

than He is not god. and you need not worry.

Hahaha... I'm not worried. :-)

that's just a quote from a movie, I wouldn't be worried either :P

Oh crap I didn't get that. Kingdom of Heaven???

yep. great movie.

#75 Posted by JetiiMitra (8398 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonez120 said:

@mitran: Just so I'm not mistaken, you're saying that the creation process (of man) god underwent was evolution? It's an interesting thought process, did you come up with that? It really makes you think...

Call it snide if you want, I'm just saying that people were 'hella dumb in the medieval period.

Yeah, basically. It's not an argument I came up with, but it's something a few denominations believe. I'm not sure if any take it back to equating amino acids to dust, just seemed reasonable from what little I know.

Ah, well then I'd be inclined to agree.

@mitran said:

@youmessinwithme said:

@mitran:

you also can not disprove the existence of my father Zeus or his father before him cronos.

Why would I try or want to? I've already stated twice now, both posts you were tagged in, that I don't necessarily believe in what I was typing, simply clarifying.

I only spoke about evolution in relation to the Christian God. If you want me to say it, no, I guess evolution doesn't disprove the existence of the ancient Greek gods either.

well just the fact that saying you can't disprove something isn't a very strong argument.

You don't seem to get it. I wasn't saying that God exists because there is nothing to disprove his existence. I was saying that evolution, on its own, does not disprove his existence. I omitted the rest of your post because it's nothing I haven't heard before and irrelevant.

#76 Edited by youmessinwithme (1184 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran said:

@jonez120 said:

@mitran: Just so I'm not mistaken, you're saying that the creation process (of man) god underwent was evolution? It's an interesting thought process, did you come up with that? It really makes you think...

Call it snide if you want, I'm just saying that people were 'hella dumb in the medieval period.

Yeah, basically. It's not an argument I came up with, but it's something a few denominations believe. I'm not sure if any take it back to equating amino acids to dust, just seemed reasonable from what little I know.

Ah, well then I'd be inclined to agree.

@youmessinwithme said:

@mitran said:

@youmessinwithme said:

@mitran:

you also can not disprove the existence of my father Zeus or his father before him cronos.

Why would I try or want to? I've already stated twice now, both posts you were tagged in, that I don't necessarily believe in what I was typing, simply clarifying.

I only spoke about evolution in relation to the Christian God. If you want me to say it, no, I guess evolution doesn't disprove the existence of the ancient Greek gods either.

well just the fact that saying you can't disprove something isn't a very strong argument.

You don't seem to get it. I wasn't saying that God exists because there is nothing to disprove his existence. I was saying that evolution, on its own, does not disprove his existence. I omitted the rest of your post because it's nothing I haven't heard before and irrelevant.

No I got what you were saying completely. don't assume I can't read.

I already conceded that it didn't disprove his existence. it's impossible to prove god doesn't exist.

I was simply stating that just because it doesn't disprove it doesn't make a strong case for his existence. just like Evolution doesn't prove Zeus doesn't exist. it is of course also not evidence to support greek myth.

the rest of my post was also not irrelevant. you may not have like the way i worded it. But it was an entirely just comparison.

#77 Posted by JetiiMitra (8398 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran said:
@youmessinwithme said:

@mitran said:

@youmessinwithme said:

@mitran:

you also can not disprove the existence of my father Zeus or his father before him cronos.

Why would I try or want to? I've already stated twice now, both posts you were tagged in, that I don't necessarily believe in what I was typing, simply clarifying.

I only spoke about evolution in relation to the Christian God. If you want me to say it, no, I guess evolution doesn't disprove the existence of the ancient Greek gods either.

well just the fact that saying you can't disprove something isn't a very strong argument.

You don't seem to get it. I wasn't saying that God exists because there is nothing to disprove his existence. I was saying that evolution, on its own, does not disprove his existence. I omitted the rest of your post because it's nothing I haven't heard before and irrelevant.

No I got what you were saying completely. don't assume I can't read.

I already conceded that it didn't disprove his existence. it's impossible to prove god doesn't exist.

I was simply stating that just because it doesn't disprove it doesn't make a strong case for his existence. just like Evolution doesn't prove Zeus doesn't exist. it is of course also not evidence to support greek myth.

the rest of my post was also not irrelevant. you may not have like the way i worded it. But it was an entirely just comparison.

I'm not assuming you can't read. I'm assuming you weren't and still aren't attempting to understand the intent behind my post.

Whether or not God exists is irrelevant. Jonez said that evolution disproved God's existence; I disagreed. Nowhere did I use the argument that God can't be disproven as proof that he exists. I never even said he exists. I simply said that evolution does not disprove the idea.

The rest of your post - your whole post actually, I just had to keep some to respond to - was in fact irrelevant to our conversation because you tried to argue with something I did not say. I'm not interested in a debate where you try to put words in my mouth. Frankly I'm not too excited about religious debates in general. It has nothing to do with how you worded anything. As I said, that post contained nothing I hadn't heard before.

Now I'm going to drop this because it's rather off topic and really wasn't worth the time spent on it.

#78 Posted by SSJDarthPlagueis (2419 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd rather go to other fictional places.

But obligatory:

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Too happy.

I'll tone down the music down to this

#79 Edited by russellmania77 (14851 posts) - - Show Bio

All athiest lol and sadley me too

#80 Edited by DoctorXander (1064 posts) - - Show Bio

I try to set my sets on the place God wants us to get to

#81 Posted by The_Deathstroker (6406 posts) - - Show Bio

Where do you think I'm from?

#82 Posted by marvel_boy2241 (2468 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh yeah. I mean I am a teenage boy. What do you all expect lol?

#83 Edited by youmessinwithme (1184 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran said:

@youmessinwithme said:

@mitran said:
@youmessinwithme said:

@mitran said:

@youmessinwithme said:

@mitran:

you also can not disprove the existence of my father Zeus or his father before him cronos.

Why would I try or want to? I've already stated twice now, both posts you were tagged in, that I don't necessarily believe in what I was typing, simply clarifying.

I only spoke about evolution in relation to the Christian God. If you want me to say it, no, I guess evolution doesn't disprove the existence of the ancient Greek gods either.

well just the fact that saying you can't disprove something isn't a very strong argument.

You don't seem to get it. I wasn't saying that God exists because there is nothing to disprove his existence. I was saying that evolution, on its own, does not disprove his existence. I omitted the rest of your post because it's nothing I haven't heard before and irrelevant.

No I got what you were saying completely. don't assume I can't read.

I already conceded that it didn't disprove his existence. it's impossible to prove god doesn't exist.

I was simply stating that just because it doesn't disprove it doesn't make a strong case for his existence. just like Evolution doesn't prove Zeus doesn't exist. it is of course also not evidence to support greek myth.

the rest of my post was also not irrelevant. you may not have like the way i worded it. But it was an entirely just comparison.

I'm not assuming you can't read. I'm assuming you weren't and still aren't attempting to understand the intent behind my post.

Whether or not God exists is irrelevant. Jonez said that evolution disproved God's existence; I disagreed. Nowhere did I use the argument that God can't be disproven as proof that he exists. I never even said he exists. I simply said that evolution does not disprove the idea.

The rest of your post - your whole post actually, I just had to keep some to respond to - was in fact irrelevant to our conversation because you tried to argue with something I did not say. I'm not interested in a debate where you try to put words in my mouth. Frankly I'm not too excited about religious debates in general. It has nothing to do with how you worded anything. As I said, that post contained nothing I hadn't heard before.

Now I'm going to drop this because it's rather off topic and really wasn't worth the time spent on it.

well you're assuming I can't read well then.... I read and understood your post. you did not understand mine.

I never said you did say that. I quite simply stated that it wasn't evidence. I was never trying to put words in your mouth.

again simple statement of fact not irrelevant. I never said you did belive otherwise nor was I trying to argue with you about it.

So clearly you did not understand my post.

So thank you for wasting both are time.

even the part about unicorns was not irrelevant. Some versions of the bible mention Unicorns.

#84 Posted by Rouflex (17016 posts) - - Show Bio

Evan if i'm probably going to hell i'm pretty sure most of peoples here doesnt understand what a Christian Hell would mean.

#85 Posted by Billy Batson (57916 posts) - - Show Bio

@rouflex said:

Evan if i'm probably going to hell i'm pretty sure most of peoples here doesnt understand what a Christian Hell would mean.

Separation from god.

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#86 Posted by Manchine (4165 posts) - - Show Bio

I have been to HELL it's a lot smaller then I expected.

LINK TO HELL

#87 Posted by pooty (11011 posts) - - Show Bio

@racob7 said:

@jonez120: Go watch an exorcism, it's scary stuff.

@eisenfauste said:

@racob7: Yes, but it still doesn't mean anything at all, God doesn't hate homosexuals contrary to popular belief.

Supposedly he doesn't HATE anyone, though it sure seems like some people get special treatment. But anyway, when I die, I want to hold no spiritual ties to anything. I want to be free.

God does hate certain people because of the things they do. And while he doesn't say he hates gays, everytime he mentions them, they are to be put to death or will not enter heaven. God puts gays, murderers and greedy people in the same category. Old and New Testament

#88 Posted by Reactor (2485 posts) - - Show Bio

There is no possible way anyone could have made this thread without expecting it to burn (no pun intended).

#89 Edited by lesterlawton (728 posts) - - Show Bio

@racob7 said:

@youmessinwithme: You'd be surprised how many gods there are. Go read the Bible, it mentions a few.

Many books do, but in the end, they're just books. If civilization as we know it were to end today, and hundreds of years from now somebody dug up the Lord of the Rings books, would the books be seen as actual history? Most modern history books given out in schools have been proven to be ridiculously inaccurate, now think about how old the Bible is, and how many changes we've made to it. You can't trust anything written by man.

#90 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21376 posts) - - Show Bio

This thread is kinda sad

#91 Posted by Stevens61310 (183 posts) - - Show Bio

The concept of Heaven and Hell is an ongoing issue with me. I was raised Christian and have always assumed I was going to Heaven. Having said that in the past decade or so I have started questioning who goes to Heaven and Hell. The reason I have started questioning it is simple. My Dad and my sister-in-law both died within a couple of years.

My dad was and still is one of the most ethical and moral men I know. Was kind and generous to those in need. Worked 2 jobs as well as owned his own mower shop to make sure me and my brothers and sister had a place to sleep, clothes on our back, and food to eat. Treated my mother with respect. But he never as far as I know ever owned a Bible, never read a Bible, never prayed, never accepted Christ as his Savior, never went to church, never discussed theology in any way shape or form.

My sister-in-law was vindictive, malicious, manipulative, a financial parasite, a thief, a vicious gossip. She was a bad person, a bad spouse, a bad mother. She was verbally abusive towards her husband and verbally and physically abusive towards her children. But she claimed to be a Christian, went to church and Bible study, prayed regularly and is able to quote entire sections of the Bible. Everyone in her family (including her oldest brother who is a minister) claim they KNOW she is in Heaven.

My issue is and will always be if we follow the tenants of the text in the Bible my sister-in-law is in Heaven and my father is in Hell. And I struggle with that. Not only do I struggle with that but as vicious a person as my sister-in-law was id she is in Heaven I can't imagine anybody I know personally not going to Heaven

#92 Edited by Jokerpoker (2946 posts) - - Show Bio

I believe in God and go to church and all, but it's 50/50.

#93 Posted by Bruxae (13181 posts) - - Show Bio

For sure, and I kinda prefer it that way. Less hypocritical.

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#94 Posted by Chibi_cute (4509 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes..

And not even Hell could escape my WRATH. i will conquer hell and make satan my servant.

#95 Edited by Yokergeist (12355 posts) - - Show Bio

@mitran said:

I was hoping by posting this we could get some discussion about other afterlife-s. Too much to ask for I guess.

@jonez120 said:

@racob7: Agreed. This isn't going anywhere anyway. While there isn't any real proof he does exist, there aren't any facts that help disprove his authenticity (barring evolution). So let's just agree that we disagree.

This argument has been made 1,000,000 times and neither Atheists or Theists have ever won

Evolution doesn't necessarily disprove the Christian God.

true but the bible claims the earth is only what 1,000 years old? and that adam and eve weren't cave people.

which of course evolution proves false. the earth was also formed over billions of years after the Big Bang. Not created totally in 7 days with people and all.

Actually the Earth is over 7,000 years old, according to the bible.

If you dropped a bunch of wood from a airplane, would it form a house?

#96 Edited by Ultra_beleco (184 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm catholic and Gay. So I can already feel the heat of the hellfire.

#97 Edited by Bushwhacker_ (576 posts) - - Show Bio

@billy_batson said:

I'd rather go to other fictional places.

But obligatory:

BB

Good job making it obvious that you are an atheist.

#98 Posted by Gambit474 (1467 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonez120 said:

Physical evidence anybody?

You can't prove or disprove a supernatural deity through man made methods. Science is just as man made as the Bible..Sure it might "provide answers"but it still can't explain everything.

@youmessinwithme that would require the big bang theory to be an actual fact instead of,as it name says,a theory.

#99 Posted by buttersdaman000 (9566 posts) - - Show Bio

@racob7 said:

@jonez120:

I've had prophetic dreams.

I've talked to the Christian God. (Yes, I'm sure)

I fought and almost killed a demon once. That was fun. ):

I have a demon inside me. (I don't think I can kill it yet)

Multiple psychics have told me I'm somehow important, probably because I beat up a demon with a baseball bat at age 12.

I loled

#100 Posted by Erik (32058 posts) - - Show Bio

If it's real, I am surely going there due to how many people I have turned away from god.