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"...However, if someone is sexual attracted to someone, isn't that natural?"

No, not if the sexual attraction is directed to a entity that is incompatible, like male x male or female x female. In other words homosexuality. It all comes down to the meaning of nature and something is only natural if it conforms with its intended purpose, functionality and design. Sexuality and sex were designed and intended for MALES and FEMALES by nature, that is why procreation lies with the union of these two opposites.

"When a guy sees a girl who is hot, you know you are attracted to her. It is the same with gays. If they see a hot guy (or girl), they are attracted to them. How is that not natural?"

Same as above. NATURE has already created, set and programmed what is natural concerning sexual behaviour and conduct: It's called HETEROSEXUALITY. A man being attracted to a woman is natural because THAT'S HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. That is CORRECT because that is what nature INTENDED. Homosexuality is a deviancy from the intentions and purposes of nature so it is therefore unnatural.

"And what about women who can't procreate? Doesn't that mean they are not serving their purpose for bearing children? The purpose of sex isn't sex, it is to create children Does that mean those people are women or wrong?"

Not at all. The infertile female or male cannot biologically reproduce due to 'faulty equipment' (to illustrate the point figuratively). A celibate individual simply chooses to abstain from procreation, after all, just because you have the tools doesn't mean you need to use them and nature makes no demands as to their compulsory usage; that decision is left to the discrimination of the individual. But to illustrate the difference between the above situations and homosexuality, is to point out that a homosexual has full functionality of his 'tools', chooses to use them and uses them INCORRECTLY. There's the difference.

"Sex is sex, intercourse, going into another human being. Sex was NEVER defined only as male on female until humanity came along and said it was."

Yes, humanity RIGHTLY defined sexual intercourse as an act between a male and a female because they had the good sense to see that the principles governing this biological process were already established and innately present within their bodily form and mindset. All humanity had to do was openly declare it because everything about the process was ALREADY DECIDED FOR THEM.

The only thing people can do is uphold the sexual rules or abandon them; they certainly had no say their conception.

So, I see you didn't answer about the animals you are asexual and about hermaphrodites? It is all biology. And what do you mean rightly defined? How do you know what is rightly defined? Did you know that in the 1800's a right definition for black people would be something like: inferior beings who are created for slavery. Is that right? And how do you know what nature intended? I didn't know that you could talk to it.

You talk about how gays chooses to be gay, yet you are making an excuse for people who CHOOSE to have sex with protection? Not people who never have sex, but people who have sex knowing that their job is to lay their sperm in a woman's eggs, yet they make sure sex is for fun and not for children.THEY are choosing to have sex without the chance of children, thus whoever has protected sex are unnatural.

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@xaos: Did you know that homosexuality is practiced in nature among some animals, like Dolphins, some Apes and some other species ?"

Like cannibalism was practised among some human groups throughout the world. Group think doesn't validate something. An animal violates natural law as much as any human does in engaging in homosexual behaviour.

"The only true rule of nature is that the strong survive and the weak perish, the only true beauty and horror of man is to go against the law of nature."

Yes, Darwinism is currently in vogue but you have to always keep in mind that his tenets are an Ideology you choose to subscribe to. I don't.

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#203  Edited By dshipp17

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@netshyster:

Did you know that homosexuality is practiced in nature among some animals, like Dolphins, some Apes and some other species ?

The only true rule of nature is that the strong survive and the weak perish, the only true beauty and horror of man is to go against the law of nature.

But philosophy aside, I support gay right... because I hate all people equally ! :p

Someone that breed dogs explained this observation to me; the answer was that it's more of a display of dominance, the alpha male, establishing his leadership, or the alpha female, establishing her leadership; once the opposite sex of the species is brought around, than the alpha gets first choice; the other dogs know their place.

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@aquaman01 said:

@marvel_boy2241 said:

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@gambit474: If being impressed with the level of sensitivity and insight that came from my good friend's comment means that I'm kissing ass, then call me Colonel Pootykiss von Brownnose.

Right..whatever floats your boat Sir Buttkiss.

@marvel_boy2241 "I have not heard any logical arguments against gay marriage."..Yeah see the thing is it doesn't come down to what you think is logical. Your opinions aren't equal to facts

Ok 1. Agreeing with someone is not ass-kissing. But ironically talking crap is being on someones jock. So try to hop off. Please and thank you.

And 2. Every opinion has a logical standpoint. Fact: Gay couples do not differ from strait couples in any relevant way, other than sexual orientation.Fact: America allows the pursuit of happiness of everyone, as long as it does not impede on the rights of others. Fact: Gay marriage has not shown to impede on the rights of others. Based on that I develop an opinion that gay marriage should be aloud.

Arguments against it have no such factual course. Nice try though buddy.

Completely agree with you. The only "credible" reason why people think homosexuality is wrong would be that they can't reproduce (thus not natural), which 1. is actually a GOOD reason for homosexuality as the population is big enough as is and increases dramatically every year 2. and animals do it so I would easily argue that it is natural.

Also, anyone who is against homosexuality/gay marriage, that means you should be ashamed of yourselves if you see gay porn by not sticking with your beliefs. Yes, that includes lesbians.

Now, wouldn't you just want to support gays just because of that? I would. :)

And this is also called the natural fallacy. It states that since something occurs in nature it is moral/just and vice versa. This is false because cannibalism, murder, incest all sorts of stuff like that are observed in nature. Yet we make laws against it. And other things like philosophy, music, buildings,and yet we support them even though all those things are artificial.

Also all those arguments don't even touch on gay marriage. They target homosexuality. What i mean is, if being gay is so evil and bad then it would be illegal. The government can't do that though, due to the constitution. That's why these guys target gay marriage. Even though all their points are against homos not gay marriage. Logically, if being gay is legal then so should gay marriage.

All that goes on assuming homosexuality is unnatural. Which it isn't. So either way they lose. Naw mean?

Observing something in nature doesn't make it natural. Something is only natural if it CONFORMS TO ITS INTENDED PURPOSE AND FUNCTIONALITY.

Nature built the animal kingdom and humans to be SEX DIVIDED. A species continues its existence through procreation, meaning the sexual union of the DISTINCT GENDERS: Male and Female.

Homosexuality is a perversion of NATURAL sexuality. Natural sexuality is HETEROSEXUALITY.

Ha Ha HA You forgot my other angle of the argument then.

Even if I accept your flawed definition of natural (which I don't be cause according to google natural: existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.) it doesn't help your case at all.

If something being unnatural is bad which is what you are implying, then we couldn't have condoms because they prevent reproduction (, and at an even higher rate than homosexuality). But hey that's not even the main course buddy.

You see, your argument does one thing. It targets homosexuality. Not gay marriage. If your argument was correct as in "Since gay people are not acting in their proper role in nature, it should be illegal" then the government should illegalize homosexuality. But I doubt that you will stoop low enough to say that homosexuality should be illegal because I will let the other Viners handle you on that one.

Basically, if the government allows homosexuality to be legal then it's only fair to allow gay marriage.

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I don't encourage it, neither am I against it.

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@aquaman01: "So, I see you didn't answer about the animals you are asexual and about hermaphrodites? It is all biology"

Don't understand what your asking me here. Rephrase into a point.

"And what do you mean rightly defined? How do you know what is rightly defined?"

Nature tells me. All you have to do is observe, that's what Science does. Nature tells me that sexual intercourse is between the male and female organism of a species because both genders were very obviously designed to be biologically and mentally compatible for SEX and therefore REPRODUCTION. Easy.

"And how do you know what nature intended? I didn't know that you could talk to it."

Nature doesn't speak in words but it does demonstrate and teach through action. Observe and learn, plenty of people throughout history have 'talked' to nature.

"Did you know that in the 1800's a right definition for black people would be something like: inferior beings who are created for slavery. Is that right?"

You know as well as I do that that is not right and human beings the world over understand that its not right too, that's why the practice of open slavery was abolished. (slavery comes in subtler more sophisticated forms today)

"You talk about how gays chooses to be gay, yet you are making an excuse for people who CHOOSE to have sex with protection?"

Being a homosexual and using birth control are not the same things, although ultimately you're right in the fact that using sex for physical pleasure is not its intended purpose. Sex is indeed pleasurable but its purpose lies in its functionality which is procreation. In that sense sex is abused and misused by society at large but at least the sex in a heterosexual context is being applied correctly through the proper and intended genders.

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@saren: Well in all fairness @gambit474 was the first to spew a disrespectful remark, the conversation was fairly civil up until that point. And this may not mean much but i.m.h.o @marvel_boy2241 was within C.V boundaries while gambit went a little far.

First? Yeah right. "But ironically talking crap is being on someones jock. So try to hop off. Please and thank you."..Yeah that totally doesn't sound provoking at all. Only reason any of you are complaining is because I said "ass" instead of alek. If I truly wanted to make "disrespectful remarks" then I would've said something far worse.

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I think they should be allowed to get married so everyone can get on with their lives

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@gambit474 said:

@daseancomerwcr said:

@saren: Well in all fairness @gambit474 was the first to spew a disrespectful remark, the conversation was fairly civil up until that point. And this may not mean much but i.m.h.o @marvel_boy2241 was within C.V boundaries while gambit went a little far.

First? Yeah right. "But ironically talking crap is being on someones jock. So try to hop off. Please and thank you."..Yeah that totally doesn't sound provoking at all. Only reason any of you are complaining is because I said "ass" instead of alek. If I truly wanted to make "disrespectful remarks" then I would've said something far worse.

can you tell me what @marvel_boy2241 said that was "disrespectful?"...didnt think so and i dont have to "hop off" its a debait...DEAL WITH IT.

p.s rules are rules...he took it as offensive, no cursing ^_^

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i started a post for my gay hero

who are you hero's

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/who-here-loves-christopher-reeve-1557311/

reminber to check my therad

@sc can this guy get reported for spamming? He spams his own thread in a lot of other topics.

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@woundermangirl: No i would say the purpose of this thread is to state your opinion on gay rightsScrtatch that my mistake :) ..( to me is fine b.t.w, but the promotion of being gay like its "the" way to go is a bit too much for me.)

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#214  Edited By z3ro180

What bugs me is everyone saying ''Gay people don't bother me. Gays are awesome.'' Yes I know not stop telling me over and over agin.

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@woundermangirl: No i would say the purpose of this thread is to state your opinion on gay rights...(witch to me is fine b.t.w, but the promotion of being gay like its "the" way to go is a bit too much for me.)

i have started this thread to should shout out to the gays and how great is to be gay and to like gay thing it like a gay club

all things gay

@z3ro180 said:
What bugs me is everyone saying ''Gay people don't bother me. Gays are awesome.'' Yes I know not stop telling me over and over agin.

it is fine if gay people Gays are awesome to others some are ok with it how is that not support?

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@daseancomerwcr said:

@woundermangirl: No i would say the purpose of this thread is to state your opinion on gay rights...(witch to me is fine b.t.w, but the promotion of being gay like its "the" way to go is a bit too much for me.)

i have started this thread to should shout out to the gays and how great is to be gay and to like gay thing it like a gay club

This sounds like trolling.

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@woundermangirl said:

@daseancomerwcr said:

@woundermangirl: No i would say the purpose of this thread is to state your opinion on gay rights...(witch to me is fine b.t.w, but the promotion of being gay like its "the" way to go is a bit too much for me.)

i have started this thread to should shout out to the gays and how great is to be gay and to like gay thing it like a gay club

This sounds like trolling.

lol

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@daseancomerwcr said:

@saren: Well in all fairness @gambit474 was the first to spew a disrespectful remark, the conversation was fairly civil up until that point. And this may not mean much but i.m.h.o @marvel_boy2241 was within C.V boundaries while gambit went a little far.

First? Yeah right. "But ironically talking crap is being on someones jock. So try to hop off. Please and thank you."..Yeah that totally doesn't sound provoking at all. Only reason any of you are complaining is because I said "ass" instead of alek. If I truly wanted to make "disrespectful remarks" then I would've said something far worse.

Go back to post 158. You told someone that they sound as if they are kissing ass. Then that person responded back sarcastically. Which in post 172 you deliberately called him out of his name. I noticed all this but said nothing until post that very post (172) that you tagged me in. I told you that insulting someone is being on their jock. Right after that you called me a smartass. Then I called you a boy who has a filthy mouth. So lets compare.

1. Youwere the first of anyone on that page to bring in insults. 2. Youcalled two different people a smart-ass and an ass-kisser. 3. You still have no logical arguments lol

Now me. 1. I brought forth logical arguments. 2. I called you a boy with a filthy mouth. And I told you to hop off someone's jock. I don't know how those are insults.

And don't even try to tell me I butted in. This is an open discussion. When you insult someone anyone has the right to call you on it.

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#224  Edited By woundermangirl

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@woundermangirl: Bull you quoted me so you did know where you got it.

my bad so much in going on right now gay are good yes we could turn the party donw a bit (if you get what i mean)

@gambit474 said:

@daseancomerwcr said:

@saren: Well in all fairness @gambit474 was the first to spew a disrespectful remark, the conversation was fairly civil up until that point. And this may not mean much but i.m.h.o @marvel_boy2241 was within C.V boundaries while gambit went a little far.

First? Yeah right. "But ironically talking crap is being on someones jock. So try to hop off. Please and thank you."..Yeah that totally doesn't sound provoking at all. Only reason any of you are complaining is because I said "ass" instead of alek. If I truly wanted to make "disrespectful remarks" then I would've said something far worse.

Go back to post 158. You told someone that they sound as if they are kissing ass. Then that person responded back sarcastically. Which in post 172 you deliberately called him out of his name. I noticed all this but said nothing until post that very post (172) that you tagged me in. I told you that insulting someone is being on their jock. Right after that you called me a smartass. Then I called you a boy who has a filthy mouth. So lets compare.

1. Youwere the first of anyone on that page to bring in insults. 2. Youcalled two different people a smart-ass and an ass-kisser. 3. You still have no logical arguments lol

Now me. 1. I brought forth logical arguments. 2. I called you a boy with a filthy mouth. And I told you to hop off someone's jock. I don't know how those are insults.

And don't even try to tell me I butted in. This is an open discussion. When you insult someone anyone has the right to call you on it.

gay people kiss butts all the time so it ok so not every thing is a insult but some can take it that way

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@marvel_boy2241: Even if I accept your flawed definition of natural (which I don't be cause according to google natural: existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.) it doesn't help your case at all. "

Google's definition is wrong because it interprets nature's systems as if they were devoid of purpose. According to Google, the only requirement needed to be considered natural is to merely exist in nature, which that isn't good enough. You have eyes so you can see, ears so you can hear, and a penis or vagina so you're capable of reproduction (sex); both parts being the property of two separate genders.

Homosexuality merely existing in nature doesn't affirm that it is natural in any way shape or form. It exists in nature as an aberration of natural sexuality. Neither can it be presumed to be caused by nature because we all know that nature's system of sexuality is expressed between MALES and FEMALES in what is known as HETEROSEXUALITY.

" If something being unnatural is bad which is what you are implying, then we couldn't have condoms because they prevent reproduction (, and at an even higher rate than homosexuality). But hey that's not even the main course buddy."

When did I say homosexuality was bad? I don't remember saying that. I do remember saying however, that it is unnatural and I stand firmly behind that fact. And what context are you referring to when you say 'bad', biological or moral?

Birth control and homosexuality are really not one and the same here. A heterosexual couple who engage in intercourse are having NATURAL SEX, but have intervened in the process to avert pregnancy. They're not doing anything unnaturally wrong in terms of the intercourse, which is why no one has a problem with it in that regard. The problems with birth control stem from its MISUSE by individuals, who use it as a means to have sex for fun; Its taken the responsibility and commitment out of sex.

"You see, your argument does one thing. It targets homosexuality. Not gay marriage. If your argument was correct as in "Since gay people are not acting in their proper role in nature, it should be illegal" then the government should illegalize homosexuality. But I doubt that you will stoop low enough to say that homosexuality should be illegal because I will let the other Viners handle you on that one."

What do they call this, a straw-man argument? You're right about one thing: I targeted homosexuality, not gay marriage. My argument has been focused on the assessment of homosexuality and its standing within nature, not it's socio-political role. I made no proclamation as to the validity of gay marriage.

I will say though that homosexual activity was punishable by the law (illegal) in the past, although I'm exactly sure when.

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@netshyster: @z3ro180: @daseancomerwcr: lets start over what is you fav gay superheros who you would like want ect

Well i hear cat woman and poison ivy are gay with eachother maybe i can have both of them to give me a @$%%*&%$

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@gambit474 said:

@daseancomerwcr said:

@saren: Well in all fairness @gambit474 was the first to spew a disrespectful remark, the conversation was fairly civil up until that point. And this may not mean much but i.m.h.o @marvel_boy2241 was within C.V boundaries while gambit went a little far.

First? Yeah right. "But ironically talking crap is being on someones jock. So try to hop off. Please and thank you."..Yeah that totally doesn't sound provoking at all. Only reason any of you are complaining is because I said "ass" instead of alek. If I truly wanted to make "disrespectful remarks" then I would've said something far worse.

can you tell me what @marvel_boy2241 said that was "disrespectful?"...didnt think so and i dont have to "hop off" its a debait...DEAL WITH IT.

p.s rules are rules...he took it as offensive, no cursing ^_^

I didn't tell you to hop off, I was posting the comment that marvel boy said. Can you people not read or something? Smh. It's funny you bring up the rules because the rules also say not to provoke and such the way he's been doing. No cursing? That's such a flexible rule since I've seen many users,some of the mods as well, say things such as damn,shit,ass,and other words. It doesn't become a bigger deal until they start bringing in more harsh language such as f**k,and so on. I love how the logic that's being brought up is pretty much "oh he hit me so I'm going to hit him back." Childish logic

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sisters cant we all get along?

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#232  Edited By marvel_boy2241

@daseancomerwcr said:

@gambit474 said:

@daseancomerwcr said:

@saren: Well in all fairness @gambit474 was the first to spew a disrespectful remark, the conversation was fairly civil up until that point. And this may not mean much but i.m.h.o @marvel_boy2241 was within C.V boundaries while gambit went a little far.

First? Yeah right. "But ironically talking crap is being on someones jock. So try to hop off. Please and thank you."..Yeah that totally doesn't sound provoking at all. Only reason any of you are complaining is because I said "ass" instead of alek. If I truly wanted to make "disrespectful remarks" then I would've said something far worse.

can you tell me what @marvel_boy2241 said that was "disrespectful?"...didnt think so and i dont have to "hop off" its a debait...DEAL WITH IT.

p.s rules are rules...he took it as offensive, no cursing ^_^

I didn't tell you to hop off, I was posting the comment that marvel boy said. Can you people not read or something? Smh. It's funny you bring up the rules because the rules also say not to provoke and such the way he's been doing. No cursing? That's such a flexible rule since I've seen many users,some of the mods as well, say things such as damn,shit,ass,and other words. It doesn't become a bigger deal until they start bringing in more harsh language such as f**k,and so on. I love how the logic that's being brought up is pretty much "oh he hit me so I'm going to hit him back." Childish logic

No you are obviously being ridiculous when you call people smart-ass and ass-kissers. That was clearly unwarranted. I called you a boy because that is what you act like when you hop behind a computer screen and talk the way you do. You are not anymore mature than I am. You have a filthy mouth because of the way you addressed me and another user. I used slang when i told you to hop off his jock. The link is right there so why don't you read the definition I was using.

I was being completely reasonable. I responded to you close to the same way you responded to me. And again he has no logical arguments on why hes against gay marriage.

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What do they call this, a straw-man argument? You're right about one thing: I targeted homosexuality, not gay marriage. My argument has been focused on the assessment of homosexuality and its standing within nature, not it's socio-political role. I made no proclamation as to the validity of gay marriage.

I will say though that homosexual activity was punishable by the law (illegal) in the past, although I'm exactly sure when.

The Supreme court case of Lawrence V. Texas in 2003 overturned the remaining sodomy laws in Texas and 13 other states, so up until then there were 14 states which had legal bans on homosexual conduct. It was illegal in some places in the US much more recently than most people would probably think...

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What do they call this, a straw-man argument? You're right about one thing: I targeted homosexuality, not gay marriage. My argument has been focused on the assessment of homosexuality and its standing within nature, not it's socio-political role. I made no proclamation as to the validity of gay marriage.

I will say though that homosexual activity was punishable by the law (illegal) in the past, although I'm exactly sure when.

The Supreme court case of Lawrence V. Texas in 2003 overturned the remaining sodomy laws in Texas and 13 other states, so up until then there were 14 states which had legal bans on homosexual conduct. It was illegal in some places in the US much more recently than most people would probably think...

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What do they call this, a straw-man argument? You're right about one thing: I targeted homosexuality, not gay marriage. My argument has been focused on the assessment of homosexuality and its standing within nature, not it's socio-political role. I made no proclamation as to the validity of gay marriage.

I will say though that homosexual activity was punishable by the law (illegal) in the past, although I'm exactly sure when.

The Supreme court case of Lawrence V. Texas in 2003 overturned the remaining sodomy laws in Texas and 13 other states, so up until then there were 14 states which had legal bans on homosexual conduct. It was illegal in some places in the US much more recently than most people would probably think...

Really?, I had no idea the laws were still around so recently in history. That's a shock.

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that homophobie act like is bad when it is not and thus insults are in fact complments

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@totalbalance: is it wrong to suck a dick or bang some in the butt i think not

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that homophobie act like is bad when it is not and thus insults are in fact complments

I don't know about that, I may be gay, but I am not exactly flattered when people call me a cocksucker or a faggot, they may be 'true' but they aren't exactly what one should be calling other people in polite conversation, and they are definitely not what I would consider compliments....

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@netshyster said:

What do they call this, a straw-man argument? You're right about one thing: I targeted homosexuality, not gay marriage. My argument has been focused on the assessment of homosexuality and its standing within nature, not it's socio-political role. I made no proclamation as to the validity of gay marriage.

I will say though that homosexual activity was punishable by the law (illegal) in the past, although I'm exactly sure when.

The Supreme court case of Lawrence V. Texas in 2003 overturned the remaining sodomy laws in Texas and 13 other states, so up until then there were 14 states which had legal bans on homosexual conduct. It was illegal in some places in the US much more recently than most people would probably think...

I just learned that from Cracked.com. lol I learn stuff from that site more than I did in High School :)

Anyways, at least gay marriage will be legal everywhere in America in probably 50 years. It better happen when I am alive though.

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I don't.

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@gambit474: I.D.C not my argument...

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If you didn't care then you wouldn't have taken the time to respond nor bring it up.

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Google's definition is wrong because it interprets nature's systems as if they were devoid of purpose. According to Google, the only requirement needed to be considered natural is to merely exist in nature, which that isn't good enough. You have eyes so you can see, ears so you can hear, and a penis or vagina so you're capable of reproduction (sex); both parts being the property of two separate genders.

So your definition is more accurate than Google's? Seems legit.

Homosexuality merely existing in nature doesn't affirm that it is natural in any way shape or form. It exists in nature as an aberration of natural sexuality. Neither can it be presumed to be caused by nature because we all know that nature's system of sexuality is expressed between MALES and FEMALES in what is known as HETEROSEXUALITY.

Something is unnatural when humans cause it. Gayness wasn't caused by humans. We can tell this because animals other than humans do it. Homosexuality is something animals do without influence just like heterosexuality. That is what makes it natural.

When did I say homosexuality was bad? I don't remember saying that. I do remember saying however, that it is unnatural and I stand firmly behind that fact. And what context are you referring to when you say 'bad', biological or moral?

The words "not natural" have and obvious negative connotation. And so does the word "perversion." I was within my boundaries to assume you were against gay marriage and homosexuality.

Birth control and homosexuality are really not one and the same here. A heterosexual couple who engage in intercourse are having NATURAL SEX, but have intervened in the process to avert pregnancy. They're not doing anything unnaturally wrong in terms of the intercourse, which is why no one has a problem with it in that regard. The problems with birth control stem from its MISUSE by individuals, who use it as a means to have sex for fun; Its taken the responsibility and commitment out of sex.

Um no. go back to post 197. You clearly said that something is only natural if it conforms to it's intended purpose. Human sperms intended purpose is to travel to that egg. birth control is interfering with a natural process meaning it is unnatural.

What do they call this, a straw-man argument? You're right about one thing: I targeted homosexuality, not gay marriage. My argument has been focused on the assessment of homosexuality and its standing within nature, not it's socio-political role. I made no proclamation as to the validity of gay marriage.

I will say though that homosexual activity was punishable by the law (illegal) in the past, although I'm exactly sure when.

Uhh ok for one thing i didn't build a strawman. You clearly gave the impression that gay marriage should be illegal. My argument would have totally been valid had you been more clear on your position. If you didn't then ok. My argument would mean nothing.

And with that last part lemme just hope you aren't implying what I think you are.

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@gambit474: I.D.C not my argument...

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If you didn't care then you wouldn't have taken the time to respond nor bring it up.

Because my friend was warned about getting the ban hammer where i felt it wasnt deserved.

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@woundermangirl said:

that homophobie act like is bad when it is not and thus insults are in fact complments

I don't know about that, I may be gay, but I am not exactly flattered when people call me a cocksucker or a faggot, they may be 'true' but they aren't exactly what one should be calling other people in polite conversation, and they are definitely not what I would consider compliments....

so what wrong with sucking a mans dick i do it to my self for pratice you do it to if some calls you that just say that you are a offer free sex mabey you can turn them gay

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@daseancomerwcr said:

@gambit474: I.D.C not my argument...

If you didn't care then you wouldn't have taken the time to respond nor bring it up.

Because my friend was warned about getting the ban hammer where i felt it wasnt deserved.

So you went from not caring to caring because your friend was involved. Gotta love contradictions

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@daseancomerwcr said:

@daseancomerwcr said:

@gambit474: I.D.C not my argument...

If you didn't care then you wouldn't have taken the time to respond nor bring it up.

Because my friend was warned about getting the ban hammer where i felt it wasnt deserved.

So you went from not caring to caring because your friend was involved. Gotta love contradictions

I never cared read my first post buddy ^_^

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@totalbalance said:

@woundermangirl said:

that homophobie act like is bad when it is not and thus insults are in fact complments

I don't know about that, I may be gay, but I am not exactly flattered when people call me a cocksucker or a faggot, they may be 'true' but they aren't exactly what one should be calling other people in polite conversation, and they are definitely not what I would consider compliments....

so what wrong with sucking a mans dick i do it to my self for pratice you do it to if some calls you that just say that you are a offer free sex mabey you can turn them gay

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So according to some posters on this thread as to what is considered "natural" or not, I have been choosing to be a southpaw all this time?. Because being right-handed is considered natural? I could be wrong, of course. If only my parents beat the crap out of me once I began to demonstrate a preference for my left hand. If only I tried to be like all the other kids. Being unnatural has been so much fun up til now but I guess fun time is over.