@erik said:
You can't just change the rules on a whim, nor do you get to make up definitions of words, based on your desire to win an argument. I really don't appreciate the menacing threat to do so in order to overcome the backlash you are receiving as well.
You mentioned a slippery slope you think we are on by not taking aggressive action in the case of these pictures. I was merely inferring what you meant by stating we are on said slippery slope. We aren't talking about complete anarchy by simply arguing the legitimacy of what seems to be an emotionally influenced (perhaps not your emotion but certainly someone's) rule. We are talking about a rule that is absolutely unnecessary to the growth and general harmony of this site. This rule doesn't help you do your job, it doesn't make the lives of any user any easier or more secure, and it is a massive inconvenience to many users. I don't even like posting these images in threads, I find you to be a likable and respectable moderator, and I like posting within and ensuring others post within the rules of this site, yet you have me here debating the legitimacy of this rule. That should be setting off some major fire-alarms on the course of your own actions. Simply being a moderator doesn't mean you are always correct and any naysayers can just go kick rocks. That's not even retouching the points I actually made before.
I do like to debate. It is for the most part, why I am on this site. But you can't rag on my debating style as not addressing your points with sincerity when you fail to address mine with your own level of expected sincerity as well. When I say this new rule is absurd or ridiculous, it is because it is and I didn't just assert it, I explained why it is. There are dedicated threads to quite literally every single kind of post that I have ever seen in this thread. If we follow the line of logic you have established for 'phasing out' the posts some find objectionable, this thread would simply have to be locked and everyone would be forced to seek out these other, focused threads. To me, that is not proper justification for banning a subject in this thread and it would be the expected course of action whenever someone finds something offensive.
To my mind, the only person's opinion that should matter on content posted in this thread that is within the established rules is the OP. I highly doubt he would have a problem with it though, as I have known him for years. However, I wouldn't want to speak on his behalf, so I'll just check with his profile's avatar instead… Nothing in my post is an attack on you. To restate, I actually find you to be a decent and likable mod. But I just think you are handling this particular situation poorly. It's... what's on my mind. :p
Of course not a whim, nor thimble, but I and other moderators can change the rules, especially to clarify on the rules, as I have before, as many other moderators have before, usually with staff approval. I get to clarify definitions for when users attempt to assert themselves as right in a situation where there is no right or wrong but what a website wants as rules and want's moderators to enforce. I don't need to try and win anything, its more about explaining why things are the way it is, why things changed, and what you and others can do to try and get it changed back to the way you prefer it, if its not the same way as it is now. My apologies if you feel menaced, there is no intent for me to be menacing. More a statement of fact.
I don't think we are on a slippery slope, I used that term purely in reference to two users I gave warnings to over image content. I don't find any emotion here and I don't think that a situation needs to be on the verge of complete anarchy to need to be addressed. Its a comic website, there is a thread that exists for sexy imagery, the site, the staff and moderators are now enforcing that sexy images be posted there and not other threads like this one. The content is too sexual for this thread and the comfort of other users. What you consider unnecessary, what's easier for a moderator etc unfortunately doesn't carry much weight. I mean it carries some weight based on how well you and others can make a point and you are good at making points but in such a complicated and nuanced discussion just asserting points leads no where. Actually requires a sincere back and forth discussion, which I am willing to have with anyone. Just that it would require moving much more slowly and starting with one point and working slowly through. Is that what you would like?
I am not ragging on your debating style, I apologize if I didn't sound sincere or seemed like I was, let me rectify that. Could you please repeat to me why the rule is ridiculous again. Also my line is not that some users find this objectionable, I know this is something that the staff (some) find objectionable, the idea there is a thread that is supposed to be inviting to all users, being made uncomfortable by some who wish to post sexual imagery that could otherwise be posted in a thread that focus is sexual imagery. Hence I am an agent for the uncomfortable users and also some staff. This thread doesn't have to be locked because users post music, or because you misapply what you perceive as "my logic" if you want to run down a list of other content that may be redundant by other threads and for me to explain the differences between it and sexually overt imagery I can do that.
Awh thanks I appreciate that, the kind things you said, and I agree no moderator is inherently right, we have other moderators to answer to as well as staff, and we here to serve the users as well. I don't want naysayers to kick rocks, why did rocks do? I do prefer sincere conversation though, sincere in the sense of actually just starting off discussing one point, then agreeing on it before going onward. Long conversations like the one we are having now, whilst fun isn't really going to get you closer to where I think you want to be, nor do I think I am convincing you of anything given how your understanding of my application of logic seems to be. Except my advantage is as above. Its not that I would change the rules to enforce them as I see fit, rather I have my own understanding of the rules, and different users and moderators have different ideas on some of them, so if there is disagreement about them, then it needs to be addressed and resolved with a consensus achieved. I would get approval from staff first naturally. I mean addressing only one point at a time would be slower but progress might actually occur that way.
Its okay, I do not consider anything you said an attack, otherwise I would have taken this to PM, or just ignored your post, and thank you again. I would say that moderators and staff generally get more influence over a thread than its creator. Just because this thread has existed for a long time it doesn't mean that it is immune to having rules set within it, or having its nature clarified as far as posters behavior and what content they can post. I can't help too much if people are critical of the way I am handling things, best I can offer is if they feel strongly about something, contact another moderator or a staff member and get them to step in. I probably won't be able to address all your points next time as well as its getting late where I am and I have other things to do, but I will try and address it. Or alternatively if you think you are making little to no headway with me feel free to approach another moderator or staff member. Cheers.
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