the world would be exactly the same cause the people in charge would've come up with something equally capable of coraling the masses
What would the world be like without Religion?
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The fact that it's more beneficial to get on and cooperate with each other is what civilized mankind." It would be chaos. Religion is what made people moral. You may not believe in all or any specific religion, but region is what civilized mankind. "
As for morals. Most religious based morality is born of fear and as such is no morality at all. I also fail to see the morality behind the terrorism, wars and hatred created by religon.
I love my regular visits to comicvine but I wish the "off topic" forum would be closed so these threads would stop.
Much as I hate to get involved in debates about fairly tales I can't seem to keep out of it.
Despite what people want to believe, God doesn't cause evil; what evil you see in the world was/is not his doing, it's man's, but who really wants to hold the buck for that?
I don't think a world without religion is necessarily a world without GOD. FAITH is the belief in a higher power. RELIGION is the separation of the beliefs in said higher power. A world where everybody had the same beliefs in the same GOD, would definitely be an improvement over the current world we live in now. However a world without that belief in a higher power would definitely be worse off than it currently is. If we could get rid of all those who act in HIS name falsely, then we could improve overall life exponentially. But if we remove HIM completely, then the opposite effect could happen.
" I don't think a world without religion is necessarily a world without GOD. FAITH is the belief in a higher power. RELIGION is the separation of the beliefs in said higher power. A world where everybody had the same beliefs in the same GOD, would definitely be an improvement over the current world we live in now. However a world without that belief in a higher power would definitely be worse off than it currently is. If we could get rid of all those who act in HIS name falsely, then we could improve overall life exponentially. But if we remove HIM completely, then the opposite effect could happen. "Thank you, I don't think I could've said it better myself.
It'd be practically the same without religion. People would just have to find another excuse for the heinous things they do to each other.
" Despite what people want to believe, God doesn't cause evil; what evil you see in the world was/is not his doing, it's man's, but who really wants to hold the buck for that? "god doesn't cause anything. Man casused god.
" pixelized said:"a better place"The world would still be fcked up....except it would be worse. "
" @Gylan Thomas: Casused? Anyway, why do you think we're responsible for God's creation? "I think we're responsible for god's creation in the same way Stan Lee is responsible for Spider-man.
He created a fictional character.
" @Gylan Thomas: Okay, now what causes you to think God is fictional? "It's mostly the fact he's not real.
" @Gylan Thomas: proof "Are you really asking him to prove that god doesn't exist? That's pretty ridiculous if you are. Why don't you prove Big Foot and Nessie don't exist while he's doing that.
There's no proof either way but, in my own opinion, there's more to suggest there's no god.
In a case like that I'd lean towards what makes most sense.
Hence, man created god.
" @Gylan Thomas: proof "I saew superman fly past me yesterday.
That's as plausible as the existence of god.
Proof I didn't.
The fact there's no proof either way is enough for me to believe people are simply believing what they want because they can't accept the universe is completely random. It scares them.
I know we've done this dance before right here on the vine.
It really does just seem to me that religion is people beleiving something simply because they want to.
More often than not peoples religion is not choice. It's a fluke based on the geography of their birth.
If you can explain to me some good religon belive in a god has done that balances the wars, terrorism, hatred and prejudice it leave in it's wake then please do.
@Green Skin said:
" @NickA said:" @Gylan Thomas: proof "Are you really asking him to prove that god doesn't exist? That's pretty ridiculous if you are. Why don't you prove Big Foot and Nessie don't exist while he's doing that. "
Thank you.
" @NickA: Care to elaborate? "You want him to elaborate on the big foot/ nessie thing?
There's actually probably more evidence suggesting the existence of both than there is of any kind of god.
" @Gylan Thomas: The wars, terrorism, hate and prejudice your talking about, that wouldn't be just a nod towards the radical Islamists, would it? because if that's how people are going to judge everyone else's religious beliefs, then people really need to get out there and see for themselves. "No it wouldn't just be a nod to radical Islamists.
Christianity has caused many problems through out history as well.
How about fundamental christians murder doctors for performing abbortions?
The Spanish inquisition?
Hatred against homosexuals because religions say it's bad?
The troubles in Irelandover the years?
The list goes on and on and it's in no way exclusive to anyone religion.
If anything the media's given Islam a worse rep than it deserves.
" @Gylan Thomas: The wars, terrorism, hate and prejudice your talking about, that wouldn't be just a nod towards the radical Islamists, would it? because if that's how people are going to judge everyone else's religious beliefs, then people really need to get out there and see for themselves. "People have been spilling blood in the name of religion since religion began. It's a little weird to single out radical Islam when there are much better examples out there: Spanish Inquisition and The Crusades come to mind.
" @BaldursFate: i know the universe didnt pop out of nothingness i didnt come from a monkey and if i did why arent monkeys still making humans "Do you understand anything of the theory of evolution?
The Spanish Inquisition was the Catholic church, and they were so far away from God that the only relationship they had with him was the fact that they slapped "God's will" on the things they did.
You'll find hatred against a certain type of people outside of religion too, and for those Christians who hate homosexuals, they need a fresh reminder about who they follow.
" @BaldursFate: i know the universe didnt pop out of nothingness i didnt come from a monkey and if i did why arent monkeys still making humans "Nothing in evolution says we come from monkeys, what is says is that humans and monkeys shared a common ancestry a very very very long time ago.
" @Gylan Thomas: The murder of abortion-doctors is wrong; two wrongs can't make a right, but you can't blame an entire faith on the actions of some people. The Spanish Inquisition was the Catholic church, and they were so far away from God that the only relationship they had with him was the fact that they slapped "God's will" on the things they did. You'll find hatred against a certain type of people outside of religion too, and for those Christians who hate homosexuals, they need a fresh reminder about who they follow. "None the less religion was the motivating factor behind what those people did. It informed their desicions and allowed them to justify their actions to them selfs.
As for "a fresh reminder of who they follow". If a groups spiritual leader is telling them something is wrong and evil then they'll follow that as blindly as their blind faith in their invisible god tells them.
Many truly terrble things have been done in gods name. Regardless of what you believe the perpetrators "relationship" with god may have been their actions were performed in the name of their god.
I can't think of anything positive done in the name of god that's on the same scale as the wars and hatred.
" @Green Skin: Wars, terrorism, hate, and prejudice aren't good examples of radical Islamists? "Surely you can acknowledge the evil that's been commited through history by christians too. Or are you jsut trying to shift the emphasis here?
Then those folks need to start asking their own questions.
And just because his name appears on something, doesn't mean it's his, and your really gonna get mad at God for something some way-ward follower did? wouldn't that be like blaming the actions of some delirious fan of a star on the star? that's not fair.
Now, to get back to your question.
Just because someone is Christian, does NOT make them perfect. That means that Christians will still want/already have killed, cheated, lied, etc.
We are not perfect, we are human, just like everyone else, so of course, we're gonna screw up.
Regardless of weather people wanted to perform gods will or get his ok is purely accademic. They still did what they did because of their religion.
I'm not mad at god because I don't believe there is a god. At all in any shape or form.
I'm saying religion causes problems. god doesn't even come into the equaition for me because he doesn't exist. It's the people commiting the attrocities in the name of their religion.
It does feel to me as though you're trying to explain away the actions of christians while villivying (How you spell that? :P) islam. Sorry. Just the way it's coming across.
" Alot people get their morals and values from religion If religion didnt exist their will be hell "but "hell" exists even with religion... :P
" @NickA said:Hell exists? Surely that's aphylosophical issue?" Alot people get their morals and values from religion If religion didnt exist their will be hell "but "hell" exists even with religion... :P "
@Retnex said:
" No religion would mean no "seven deadly sins".
So it's possible that the world would be less restricted, and have more violence/rape/theft, ect. "
Human being learned morality and fitted it into their religions. Religion didn't create morality.
Morallity is selfishly motivated.
Over time humans learned that if they helped each other and cared for each other life was better and easier. They could live longer happier lives.
FACT!
" @King Saturn said:well I was joking actually... I think there is actually even evidence in the Bible itself to show that Hell is actually ceasing to exist... not a metaphysical place of Hellfire and Brimstone..." @NickA said:Hell exists? Surely that's aphylosophical issue?" Alot people get their morals and values from religion If religion didnt exist their will be hell "but "hell" exists even with religion... :P "
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