What would the world be like without Religion?

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#51  Edited By joshmightbe

the world would be exactly the same cause the people in charge would've come up with something equally capable of coraling the masses

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#52  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@Nobody said:

" It would be chaos. Religion is what made people moral. You may not believe in all or any specific religion, but region is what civilized mankind. "

The fact that it's more beneficial to get on and cooperate with each other is what civilized mankind.
As for morals. Most religious based morality is born of fear and as such is no morality at all. I also fail to see the morality behind the terrorism, wars and hatred created by religon.
 
I love my regular visits to comicvine but I wish the "off topic" forum would be closed so these threads would stop.
Much as I hate to get involved in debates about fairly tales I can't seem to keep out of it.
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#53  Edited By Aronmorales

Despite what people want to believe, God doesn't cause evil; what evil you see in the world was/is not his doing, it's man's, but who really wants to hold the buck for that?
 
 

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#54  Edited By Night Thrasher

I don't think a world without religion is necessarily a world without GOD. FAITH is the belief in a higher power. RELIGION is the separation of the beliefs in said higher power. A world where everybody had the same beliefs in the same GOD, would definitely be an improvement over the current world we live in now. However a world without that belief in a higher power would definitely be worse off than it currently is. If we could get rid of all those who act in HIS name falsely, then we could improve overall life exponentially. But if we remove HIM completely, then the opposite effect could happen.

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#55  Edited By Aronmorales
@Night Thrasher said:
" I don't think a world without religion is necessarily a world without GOD. FAITH is the belief in a higher power. RELIGION is the separation of the beliefs in said higher power. A world where everybody had the same beliefs in the same GOD, would definitely be an improvement over the current world we live in now. However a world without that belief in a higher power would definitely be worse off than it currently is. If we could get rid of all those who act in HIS name falsely, then we could improve overall life exponentially. But if we remove HIM completely, then the opposite effect could happen. "
Thank you, I don't think I could've said it better myself.
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#56  Edited By Green Skin

It'd be practically the same without religion.  People would just have to find another excuse for the heinous things they do to each other.

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#57  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@Aronmorales said:
" Despite what people want to believe, God doesn't cause evil; what evil you see in the world was/is not his doing, it's man's, but who really wants to hold the buck for that?   "
god doesn't cause anything. Man casused god.
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#58  Edited By NickA

Hell 
No Morals & Values
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#59  Edited By Primmaster64
@oldmagic said:
" pixelized said:
"a better place"
The world would still be fcked up....except it would be worse.  "
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#60  Edited By Aronmorales
@Gylan Thomas: Casused?
 
Anyway, why do you think we're responsible for God's creation?
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#61  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@Aronmorales said:
" @Gylan Thomas: Casused?  Anyway, why do you think we're responsible for God's creation? "
I think we're responsible for god's creation in the same way Stan Lee is responsible for Spider-man.
He created a fictional character.
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#62  Edited By BaldursFate

People would hopefully start thinking for themselves which would be beautiful.

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#63  Edited By Aronmorales
@Gylan Thomas: Okay, now what causes you to think God is fictional?
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#64  Edited By NickA
@BaldursFate:
No
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#65  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@Aronmorales said:
" @Gylan Thomas: Okay, now what causes you to think God is fictional? "
It's mostly the fact he's not real.
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#66  Edited By NickA
@Gylan Thomas:
proof
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#67  Edited By Aronmorales
@Gylan Thomas: But where is your proof? granted, you and I might see the world differently, so what you may see as nothing I may see as something.
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#68  Edited By Green Skin
@NickA said:
" @Gylan Thomas: proof "
Are you really asking him to prove that god doesn't exist?  That's pretty ridiculous if you are.  Why don't you prove Big Foot and Nessie don't exist while he's doing that.
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#69  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@Aronmorales: 
There's no proof either way but, in my own opinion, there's more to suggest there's no god.
In a case like that I'd lean towards what makes most sense.
Hence, man created god.
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#70  Edited By Aronmorales
@Gylan Thomas: Hmm, I see.
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#71  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@NickA said:
" @Gylan Thomas: proof "
I saew superman fly past me yesterday.
That's as plausible as the existence of god. 
Proof I didn't.
 
The fact there's no proof either way is enough for me to believe people are simply believing what they want because they can't accept the universe is completely random. It scares them.
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#72  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@Aronmorales: 
I know we've done this dance before right here on the vine.
It really does just seem to me that religion is people beleiving something simply because they want to. 
More often than not peoples religion is not choice. It's a fluke based on the geography of their birth.
If you can explain to me some good religon belive in a god has done that balances the wars, terrorism, hatred and prejudice it leave in it's wake then please do.
 
@Green Skin said:
" @NickA said:
" @Gylan Thomas: proof "
Are you really asking him to prove that god doesn't exist?  That's pretty ridiculous if you are.  Why don't you prove Big Foot and Nessie don't exist while he's doing that. "

Thank you.
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#73  Edited By BaldursFate
@NickA: Care to elaborate?
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#74  Edited By Aronmorales
@Gylan Thomas: The wars, terrorism, hate and prejudice your talking about, that wouldn't be just a nod towards the radical Islamists, would it? because if that's how people are going to judge everyone else's religious beliefs, then people really need to get out there and see for themselves.
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#75  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@BaldursFate said:
" @NickA: Care to elaborate? "
You want him to elaborate on the big foot/ nessie thing?
There's actually probably more evidence suggesting the existence of both than there is of any kind of god.
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#76  Edited By NickA
@BaldursFate:
i know the universe didnt pop out of nothingness 
i didnt come from a monkey and if i did why arent monkeys still making humans 
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#77  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@Aronmorales said:
" @Gylan Thomas: The wars, terrorism, hate and prejudice your talking about, that wouldn't be just a nod towards the radical Islamists, would it? because if that's how people are going to judge everyone else's religious beliefs, then people really need to get out there and see for themselves. "
No it wouldn't just be a nod to radical Islamists.
Christianity has caused many problems through out history as well.
How about fundamental christians murder doctors for performing abbortions?
The Spanish inquisition?
Hatred against homosexuals because religions say it's bad? 
The troubles in Irelandover the years?
The list goes on and on and it's in no way exclusive to anyone religion.
 
If anything the media's given Islam a worse rep than it deserves.
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#78  Edited By Green Skin
@Aronmorales said:
" @Gylan Thomas: The wars, terrorism, hate and prejudice your talking about, that wouldn't be just a nod towards the radical Islamists, would it? because if that's how people are going to judge everyone else's religious beliefs, then people really need to get out there and see for themselves. "
People have been spilling blood in the name of religion since religion began. It's a little weird to single out radical Islam when there are much better examples out there:  Spanish Inquisition and The Crusades come to mind.
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#79  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@NickA said:
" @BaldursFate: i know the universe didnt pop out of nothingness i didnt come from a monkey and if i did why arent monkeys still making humans  "
Do you understand anything of the theory of evolution?
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#80  Edited By BaldursFate
@NickA: I made no statement on faith only religion. oh and individuals don't evolve communities do.
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#81  Edited By Aronmorales
@Gylan Thomas: The murder of abortion-doctors is wrong; two wrongs can't make a right, but you can't blame an entire faith on the actions of some people.
The Spanish Inquisition was the Catholic church, and they were so far away from God that the only relationship they had with him was the fact that they slapped "God's will" on the things they did.
You'll find hatred against a certain type of people outside of religion too, and for those Christians who hate homosexuals, they need a fresh reminder about who they follow.

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#82  Edited By Green Skin
@NickA said:
" @BaldursFate: i know the universe didnt pop out of nothingness i didnt come from a monkey and if i did why arent monkeys still making humans  "
Nothing in evolution says we come from monkeys,  what is says is that humans and monkeys shared a common ancestry a very very very long time ago.
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#83  Edited By DIZ

Religion brings evil to the world and slows down progress. just look at the dark ages and how religious fanatics dealt with science and progress back in the day
 
Fuck..shit...

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#84  Edited By BaldursFate
@DIZ: Can I get an amen!
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#85  Edited By Aronmorales
@Green Skin: Wars, terrorism, hate, and prejudice aren't good examples of radical Islamists?
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#86  Edited By BaldursFate
@Aronmorales: They're good example of religion sucking ass.
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#87  Edited By Aronmorales
@BaldursFate: Hehe.
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#88  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@Aronmorales said:
" @Gylan Thomas: The murder of abortion-doctors is wrong; two wrongs can't make a right, but you can't blame an entire faith on the actions of some people. The Spanish Inquisition was the Catholic church, and they were so far away from God that the only relationship they had with him was the fact that they slapped "God's will" on the things they did. You'll find hatred against a certain type of people outside of religion too, and for those Christians who hate homosexuals, they need a fresh reminder about who they follow. "
None the less religion was the motivating factor behind what those people did. It informed their desicions and allowed them to justify their actions to them selfs.
As for "a fresh reminder of who they follow". If a groups spiritual leader is telling them something is wrong and evil then they'll follow that as blindly as their blind faith in their invisible god tells them.
 
Many truly terrble things have been done in gods name. Regardless of what you believe the perpetrators "relationship" with god may have been their actions were performed in the name of their god.
 
I can't think of anything positive done in the name of god that's on the same scale as the wars and hatred.
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#89  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@Aronmorales said:
" @Green Skin: Wars, terrorism, hate, and prejudice aren't good examples of radical Islamists? "
Surely you can acknowledge the evil that's been commited through history by christians too. Or are you jsut trying to shift the emphasis here?
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#90  Edited By Aronmorales
@Gylan Thomas:  And I will argue, it wasn't God's will they wanted, it was God's "okay" they wanted, so they slap his name on the things they do, that or they just happen to be called out on their faith when they do something stupid.
 Then those folks need to start asking their own questions.
And just because his name appears on something, doesn't mean it's his, and your really gonna get mad at God for something some way-ward follower did? wouldn't that be like blaming the actions of some delirious fan of a star on the star? that's not fair.

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#91  Edited By Aronmorales
@Gylan Thomas: Of course I could, and why does everyone want to assume that I'm trying to pick a target? I used the radical Islamists as an example of faith gone wrong; ask another Muslim about what the radicals are doing, and they'll tell you that what they're doing is wrong too.
 
Now, to get back to your question.
Just because someone is Christian, does NOT make them perfect. That means that Christians will still want/already have killed, cheated, lied, etc.
We are not perfect, we are human, just like everyone else, so of course, we're gonna screw up.
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#92  Edited By Retnex

No religion would mean no "seven deadly sins".
So it's possible that the world would be less restricted, and have more violence/rape/theft, ect. 

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#93  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@Aronmorales: 
Regardless of weather people wanted to perform gods will or get his ok is purely accademic. They still did what they did because of their religion.
I'm not mad at god because I don't believe there is a god. At all in any shape or form. 
I'm saying religion causes problems. god doesn't even come into the equaition for me because he doesn't exist. It's the people commiting the attrocities in the name of their religion.
 
It does feel to me as though you're trying to explain away the actions of christians while villivying (How you spell that? :P) islam. Sorry. Just the way it's coming across.
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#94  Edited By BaldursFate
@Retnex: Or the seven deadly sin could be like prohibition. when your not allowed to do something you only want to do it more.
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#95  Edited By NickA

Alot people get their morals and values from religion 
If religion didnt exist their will be hell
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#96  Edited By King_Saturn
@NickA said:
" Alot people get their morals and values from religion If religion didnt exist their will be hell "
but "hell" exists even with religion... :P 
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#97  Edited By BaldursFate
@NickA: Yeah cause Christians are not amoral bastards or anything.
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#98  Edited By Bio Guyver

Look at the world today. We're getting to that point lol.

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#99  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@King Saturn said:
" @NickA said:
" Alot people get their morals and values from religion If religion didnt exist their will be hell "
but "hell" exists even with religion... :P  "
Hell exists? Surely that's aphylosophical issue?
@Retnex said:
" No religion would mean no "seven deadly sins".
So it's possible that the world would be less restricted, and have more violence/rape/theft, ect.  "

Human being learned morality and fitted it into their religions. Religion didn't create morality.
Morallity is selfishly motivated. 
Over time humans learned that if they helped each other and cared for each other life was better and easier. They could live longer happier lives.
FACT!
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#100  Edited By King_Saturn
@Gylan Thomas said:
" @King Saturn said:
" @NickA said:
" Alot people get their morals and values from religion If religion didnt exist their will be hell "
but "hell" exists even with religion... :P  "
Hell exists? Surely that's aphylosophical issue?

well I was joking actually... I think there is actually even evidence in the Bible itself to show that Hell is actually ceasing to exist... not a metaphysical place of Hellfire and Brimstone...