Your thoughts?
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Your thoughts?
Be back tomorrow. I mean later today. Got college in a few hours. Bye.
"Your thoughts?a lot of things that shaped the world would never have happened, life as we know it wouldn't exist and...there'd probably have been a lot less murders throughout history
Be back tomorrow. I mean later today. Got college in a few hours. Bye."
"Shaper said:"SCIENCE DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!"You blame science? For...?"
religion would exist no matter what, the human being by nature is curious, wants to get answers and when he can't get them he invents things.
The humans create gods and religions because they want to know the biggest questions of the world like from where do we come or what happens after death, since science can't answer that they make their own theories claiming that it's all thanks/because of beings on a higher plane, the human needs something to believe in.
So in my opinion there can't be a world without religion, it would be like taking part of the human nature
A world without religion would be rather dull and boring. Like a marble somehow lost without its sheen in the gloom of a bog - without the gleam it would otherwise provide, it would be lost and grim all the time.
Dunno. Would love to give it a try, though. lol
in a world without religion, comics would be very limited if even existent
Some aspects in life would be better where as some would be worse
We'd all live together in harmony, there would be equality for all mankind, our birth rates would equal our death rates, no one would die young, and our environment would be completely stable.
Now that we've taken the trip to dream world...
I don't think the world would be any different, really. Something would come up to fill the niches that religions fill.
World without religion: the same, we'd just find something else to argue about.
It would be chaos. Religion is what made people moral. You may not believe in all or any specific religion, but region is what civilized mankind.
"It would be chaos. Religion is what made people moral. You may not believe in all or any specific religion, but region is what civilized mankind."Culture civilized mankind. Religion is just a small part of that.
Whit out religions all those people who are searching for forgiveness would probably keep doing what they are doing. Rapist, Murders, thieves all this people who try to get forgiveness wouldn't believe that they are getting it and would keep doing what they are doing until they are killed.
I don't know about you but I prefer them in a church looking for forgiveness than in the streets looking to Rape, murder or kidnap my daughter.. Don't you?
I rest my case....
"Nobody said:I don't really feel like debating this, just giving my two cents."It would be chaos. Religion is what made people moral. You may not believe in all or any specific religion, but region is what civilized mankind."Culture civilized mankind. Religion is just a small part of that."
"Whit out religions all those people who are searching for forgiveness would probably keep doing what they are doing. Rapist, Murders, thieves all this people who try to get forgiveness wouldn't believe that they are getting it and would keep doing what they are doing until they are killed.what?
I don't know about you but I prefer them in a church looking for forgiveness than in the streets looking to Rape, murder or kidnap my daughter.. Don't you?
I rest my case...."
"The Wondering Spider said:lmfao, that's hilarious"Whit out religions all those people who are searching for forgiveness would probably keep doing what they are doing. Rapist, Murders, thieves all this people who try to get forgiveness wouldn't believe that they are getting it and would keep doing what they are doing until they are killed.what?
I don't know about you but I prefer them in a church looking for forgiveness than in the streets looking to Rape, murder or kidnap my daughter.. Don't you?
I rest my case...."
are you saying people aren't out raping because they're in church praying?"
to be more clear.
Don't think I'm saying that everyone in a church is a murderer or rapist or thief..... look at the words I choose.
those murderers, and thieves that are actually looking for forgiveness in religion, those that find relief in religion. If they wouldn't have it
tell me what would they have? nothing, nothing to believe in nothing to fall back on. Because, trust me who ever they killed Is not waking up saying I forgive you. No woman is going to forgive a rapist even if he was imprison for years and come back to the woman begging on his knees, she wont forgive him. So now they have their conscience bugging them driving them insane looking for forgiveness that their victims ain't giving. So ether they find religion or we find them in their house whit a shotgun on hands and their brains splatter all over the ceiling.. ouch...
I'm not saying all the rapist and murderers I'm talking of the one who is actually really from the heart looking for forgiveness and can't find it.. Cause a rapist that comes to church trying to clean himself and go on and do it again......
I honestly don't want to think about this.
This is a question that is impossible or next to impossible to answer. Religion is almost as old as (if not as old as) humanity itself. If you'd remove it from the dawn of civilisation...it'll only appear some time later. Oh and...
Static Shock said:
"I honestly don't want to think about this."
without religion there would be no grounds to base our morals on...one way or the other people would have to make up their own set of rules...and we all know that what one man may think is immoral another man may find complelty acceptable...how would governemnt be able to make fair laws if everyones moral compass pointed in a differnent direction?...i guess what im getting at is that without religion people would have no rules to abide by and therefore life would be in a constant state of chaos no matter who tried to govern it
Religion was created as a means of controlling an over-populated planet. Ever see the pyramid of power. The only ones who know what's going on are those at the very top, the very top of the pyramid is the smallest part, as you get down, more and more people know less and less about what is happening.
The easiest way to control such a large and naive populus would be to keep them arguing and fighting amongst themselves, rather than giving them time to ask the questions to which the answers could bring this world down.
Each religion is built off the same template, there is an all-seeing god (Buddha, God, Allah, Satan etc.) followed by their chosen prophet/s (Jesus, Moses, Socretes, Muhammad, Damien etc.) All records and texts are kept in a chosen book or Bible, the most common is the book of Christianity, The Holy Bible. There is also Quran the holy book of Islam, Ancient Palestine of the Jewish religion, etc.
It is exactly the same for all religions because they are each drawn from the same stencil dedicated to keeping people too busy persuing a false spiritual beleif when the true God lies within yourself. Also many things read from these bibles can be interpreted to be the same, same stories with different characters, same events with different titles. There are many different theories containing explanation to the events recorded in these "Bibles" some which include Moses eating Magic Mushrooms and simply hullucinating his vision of a burning tree and God speaking to him. Also that visitors from their God's may have been mistaken for visitors from other planets.
You hold the answers to these questions. It just comes down to whether or not you can let go.
the same: still ingnorant, still stupid
The World isn't stupid..people are.
"the same: still ingnorant, still stupid"no. not at all. If you truly believe that, then it is you that is stupid. While i'm an atheist, i believe that religion is a useful thing within the world. While it has it's down sides, it's benefits are much better. Religion gives people hope, it gives them a sense of something more helping them along the way. Otherwise this world will truly be a dark place.
"goatwrench said:You didn't have to call him\her stupid for their opinion."the same: still ingnorant, still stupid"no. not at all. If you truly believe that, then it is you that is stupid. While i'm an atheist, i believe that religion is a useful thing within the world. While it has it's down sides, it's benefits are much better. Religion gives people hope, it gives them a sense of something more helping them along the way. Otherwise this world will truly be a dark place. "
"goatwrench said:"the same: still ingnorant, still stupid"no. not at all. If you truly believe that, then it is you that is stupid. While i'm an atheist, i believe that religion is a useful thing within the world. While it has it's down sides, it's benefits are much better. Religion gives people hope, it gives them a sense of something more helping them along the way. Otherwise this world will truly be a dark place. "
Religion doesn't make people moral, living in societies makes people moral.
By themselves, human beings are Purina predator chow. We are slow and clumsy. We have no scales, no wings, no claws, no teeth to speak of. We are soft and squishy and defenseless. And our kids...how long until our kids are able to even walk compared to other spices, let alone defend themselves?
In a group, or collective minds can come up with fire, with spears to defend against roving packs of wolves and prides of lions, with strategies to approach predators and hunting. In a group, we can protect ourselves, protect our young, and feed ourselves far better than when we operate alone.
And there are just certain things you cannot do if you are living in a group. It's is just common sense that a group of people will not stay together if it members steal, cheat, lie, or go on killing sprees.
It is in our nature to be "moral" because it keeps order in the group.
So without religion, I do not think thing would be that different good or bad. Because people still get fanatical about causes even in religion's absence. Stalin killed millions in the name of Communism. Human zealotry is the problem, religion is just a convenient vehicle.
"Religion was created as a means of controlling an over-populated planet. Ever see the pyramid of power. The only ones who know what's going on are those at the very top, the very top of the pyramid is the smallest part, as you get down, more and more people know less and less about what is happening.
The easiest way to control such a large and naive populus would be to keep them arguing and fighting amongst themselves, rather than giving them time to ask the questions to which the answers could bring this world down.
Each religion is built off the same template, there is an all-seeing god (Buddha, God, Allah, Satan etc.) followed by their chosen prophet/s (Jesus, Moses, Socretes, Muhammad, Damien etc.) All records and texts are kept in a chosen book or Bible, the most common is the book of Christianity, The Holy Bible. There is also Quran the holy book of Islam, Ancient Palestine of the Jewish religion, etc.
It is exactly the same for all religions because they are each drawn from the same stencil dedicated to keeping people too busy persuing a false spiritual beleif when the true God lies within yourself. Also many things read from these bibles can be interpreted to be the same, same stories with different characters, same events with different titles. There are many different theories containing explanation to the events recorded in these "Bibles" some which include Moses eating Magic Mushrooms and simply hullucinating his vision of a burning tree and God speaking to him. Also that visitors from their God's may have been mistaken for visitors from other planets.
You hold the answers to these questions. It just comes down to whether or not you can let go."
"Jesus said:I dont think Jesus himself would actually say this"Religion was created as a means of controlling an over-populated planet. Ever see the pyramid of power. The only ones who know what's going on are those at the very top, the very top of the pyramid is the smallest part, as you get down, more and more people know less and less about what is happening."
The easiest way to control such a large and naive populus would be to keep them arguing and fighting amongst themselves, rather than giving them time to ask the questions to which the answers could bring this world down.
Each religion is built off the same template, there is an all-seeing god (Buddha, God, Allah, Satan etc.) followed by their chosen prophet/s (Jesus, Moses, Socretes, Muhammad, Damien etc.) All records and texts are kept in a chosen book or Bible, the most common is the book of Christianity, The Holy Bible. There is also Quran the holy book of Islam, Ancient Palestine of the Jewish religion, etc.
It is exactly the same for all religions because they are each drawn from the same stencil dedicated to keeping people too busy persuing a false spiritual beleif when the true God lies within yourself. Also many things read from these bibles can be interpreted to be the same, same stories with different characters, same events with different titles. There are many different theories containing explanation to the events recorded in these "Bibles" some which include Moses eating Magic Mushrooms and simply hullucinating his vision of a burning tree and God speaking to him. Also that visitors from their God's may have been mistaken for visitors from other planets.
You hold the answers to these questions. It just comes down to whether or not you can let go."
"Religion doesn't make people moral, living in societies makes people moral.Very well said
By themselves, human beings are Purina predator chow. We are slow and clumsy. We have no scales, no wings, no claws, no teeth to speak of. We are soft and squishy and defenseless. And our kids...how long until our kids are able to even walk compared to other spices, let alone defend themselves?
In a group, or collective minds can come up with fire, with spears to defend against roving packs of wolves and prides of lions, with strategies to approach predators and hunting. In a group, we can protect ourselves, protect our young, and feed ourselves far better than when we operate alone.
And there are just certain things you cannot do if you are living in a group. It's is just common sense that a group of people will not stay together if it members steal, cheat, lie, or go on killing sprees.
It is in our nature to be "moral" because it keeps order in the group.
So without religion, I do not think thing would be that different good or bad. Because people still get fanatical about causes even in religion's absence. Stalin killed millions in the name of Communism. Human zealotry is the problem, religion is just a convenient vehicle."
Without religion, the world would of been a better place to be
"cpt_linger said:isn't that the beauty of it though, what you assume jesus would or wouldn't say is only based off what you are told. Jesus could go tell everyone to get f#@!k for all we know. Jesus could have been a stoner, I don't know. I'm not gonna sit here an insult his name, because i repect people's beleifs, but when they force their beleifs upon others, it sucks."Jesus said:I dont think Jesus himself would actually say this"Religion was created as a means of controlling an over-populated planet. Ever see the pyramid of power. The only ones who know what's going on are those at the very top, the very top of the pyramid is the smallest part, as you get down, more and more people know less and less about what is happening."
The easiest way to control such a large and naive populus would be to keep them arguing and fighting amongst themselves, rather than giving them time to ask the questions to which the answers could bring this world down.
Each religion is built off the same template, there is an all-seeing god (Buddha, God, Allah, Satan etc.) followed by their chosen prophet/s (Jesus, Moses, Socretes, Muhammad, Damien etc.) All records and texts are kept in a chosen book or Bible, the most common is the book of Christianity, The Holy Bible. There is also Quran the holy book of Islam, Ancient Palestine of the Jewish religion, etc.
It is exactly the same for all religions because they are each drawn from the same stencil dedicated to keeping people too busy persuing a false spiritual beleif when the true God lies within yourself. Also many things read from these bibles can be interpreted to be the same, same stories with different characters, same events with different titles. There are many different theories containing explanation to the events recorded in these "Bibles" some which include Moses eating Magic Mushrooms and simply hullucinating his vision of a burning tree and God speaking to him. Also that visitors from their God's may have been mistaken for visitors from other planets.
You hold the answers to these questions. It just comes down to whether or not you can let go."
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I think, some people need Religion, because they need faith in something after death. Because people are afraid of what they don't understand. Well, most people are. I for one am not, am an Atheist, and I have faith in myself and for me that's all I need. I do not need to believe in 'God', but from our government, I know they are hiding things from us. And I would like them to tell us, and let us decided on what to do with it and not lie to us.
I think people also misinterpret religion as well as means for doing stupid things. I.E. 9/11, 7/7 etc. For me the ultimate crime is to take another person's life away, no one should ever have the power. Not even a so called 'God'. I would rather it how itself to us to show us, but since it won't, I will keep believing that it does not exist. And that Religion was made by man and without the presence of anything extraordinary. I.E. Jesus
Truth be told, Religion is there for what man cannot comprehend or cant fulfill in his life, is afraid of, or other things. nothing more, nothing less.
"King Saturn said:I see what you are saying... and I have at times question what Jesus was really like at times in my mind... ( since the Bible doesnt really have much info on what Jesus was like when he was in his Late Teenage Years or even when he was in his Twentys )... we are forced to believe by faith that he was a squeaky clean Holy Man who did no wrong or evil...with no real background on what he did through those years in his life... that sometimes bother me"cpt_linger said:isn't that the beauty of it though, what you assume jesus would or wouldn't say is only based off what you are told. Jesus could go tell everyone to get f#@!k for all we know. Jesus could have been a stoner, I don't know. I'm not gonna sit here an insult his name, because i repect people's beleifs, but when they force their beleifs upon others, it sucks.""Jesus said:I dont think Jesus himself would actually say this"Religion was created as a means of controlling an over-populated planet. Ever see the pyramid of power. The only ones who know what's going on are those at the very top, the very top of the pyramid is the smallest part, as you get down, more and more people know less and less about what is happening."
The easiest way to control such a large and naive populus would be to keep them arguing and fighting amongst themselves, rather than giving them time to ask the questions to which the answers could bring this world down.
Each religion is built off the same template, there is an all-seeing god (Buddha, God, Allah, Satan etc.) followed by their chosen prophet/s (Jesus, Moses, Socretes, Muhammad, Damien etc.) All records and texts are kept in a chosen book or Bible, the most common is the book of Christianity, The Holy Bible. There is also Quran the holy book of Islam, Ancient Palestine of the Jewish religion, etc.
It is exactly the same for all religions because they are each drawn from the same stencil dedicated to keeping people too busy persuing a false spiritual beleif when the true God lies within yourself. Also many things read from these bibles can be interpreted to be the same, same stories with different characters, same events with different titles. There are many different theories containing explanation to the events recorded in these "Bibles" some which include Moses eating Magic Mushrooms and simply hullucinating his vision of a burning tree and God speaking to him. Also that visitors from their God's may have been mistaken for visitors from other planets.
You hold the answers to these questions. It just comes down to whether or not you can let go."
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"cpt_linger said:Jesus' story is identical to that of Moses, Socretes, Muhammad, Damien etc with just subtle changes to not make it TOO obvious. It's a complicated formula, but it seems to work. They all claim their god spoke to them, whereas I know a few people from mental institutions who would say the same, only thing is in our day and age we class that as crazy and mentally unstable."King Saturn said:I see what you are saying... and I have at times question what Jesus was really like at times in my mind... ( since the Bible doesnt really have much info on what Jesus was like when he was in his Late Teenage Years or even when he was in his Twentys )... we are forced to believe by faith that he was a squeaky clean Holy Man who did no wrong or evil...with no real background on what he did through those years in his life... that sometimes bother me""cpt_linger said:isn't that the beauty of it though, what you assume jesus would or wouldn't say is only based off what you are told. Jesus could go tell everyone to get f#@!k for all we know. Jesus could have been a stoner, I don't know. I'm not gonna sit here an insult his name, because i repect people's beleifs, but when they force their beleifs upon others, it sucks.""Jesus said:I dont think Jesus himself would actually say this"Religion was created as a means of controlling an over-populated planet. Ever see the pyramid of power. The only ones who know what's going on are those at the very top, the very top of the pyramid is the smallest part, as you get down, more and more people know less and less about what is happening."
The easiest way to control such a large and naive populus would be to keep them arguing and fighting amongst themselves, rather than giving them time to ask the questions to which the answers could bring this world down.
Each religion is built off the same template, there is an all-seeing god (Buddha, God, Allah, Satan etc.) followed by their chosen prophet/s (Jesus, Moses, Socretes, Muhammad, Damien etc.) All records and texts are kept in a chosen book or Bible, the most common is the book of Christianity, The Holy Bible. There is also Quran the holy book of Islam, Ancient Palestine of the Jewish religion, etc.
It is exactly the same for all religions because they are each drawn from the same stencil dedicated to keeping people too busy persuing a false spiritual beleif when the true God lies within yourself. Also many things read from these bibles can be interpreted to be the same, same stories with different characters, same events with different titles. There are many different theories containing explanation to the events recorded in these "Bibles" some which include Moses eating Magic Mushrooms and simply hullucinating his vision of a burning tree and God speaking to him. Also that visitors from their God's may have been mistaken for visitors from other planets.
You hold the answers to these questions. It just comes down to whether or not you can let go."
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Whoa, the Vine has been busy...
Here's my two cents: The world doesn't need a religion, it needs a God, but not everyone knows God, and some people want to become God, so they make one up, but others create them (religions) to help guide their lives in a better direction and such.
Now I honestly think that it is from religions that we get morals, and without them, we'd be lost in a very anarchistic world.
" pixelized said:Gonna have to explain that one to me bud."a better place"The world would still be fcked up....except it would be worse. "
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