What's more believable: God or Big Bang Theory

1. The big bang theory is supported by a massive amount of evidence, and is nothing like what you described up there.

2. The big bang theory has nothing to do with the existence of God/Gods.

I wonder how this thread is going to end.. (sarcasm). Knowing the mods they'll probably just make it last more than 10 pages.

The Big Bang and Genisis are not parallels.

An Atom just appearing out of no where makes less sense than a higher power creating something humans barely understand.

They're too different to compare. One is a philosophical concept, the other is a scientific one. You can disprove the big bang theory but you can't ever truly disprove the ideal of a diety.

I mean what Christians, and a lot of monotheistic religions, are basically saying that their God is older than time and has no beginning, and was always here. What?? I'm sorry, but to me at least that is just as "dumb"(if those are your choice of words) as an atom appearing out of no where

Neither are dumb. They're thinking beyond what's in front of you.

Amen.

The description the OP has given for the Big Bang is inaccurate.

By that logic we cannot disprove an invisible, intangible, and undetectable flying cupcake floating around our universe that is the size of a house.

Of course it makes less sense, because an atom never appeared out of nowhere. OP's description of the Big Bang is incorrect.

@kaioblitz4: It's nice to meet someone who knows what they're talking about :).

Chew. Cause its the only one to have on panel feats.

There needs to be another Big Bang that takes out that horrible show.

The Big Bang Theory because there's a lot of evidence to support it.

Big bang theory. It's a speculation - but one based on facts unlike God.

Signed.

Even though I'm an Agnostic Deist, a Big Bang isn't mutually exclusive with the idea of a creator.

The Big Bang theory is a Scientific theory based on substantial evidence, and is most likely the explanation for how The Universe began. It is much more concrete than the idea of a creator. Also the OP definition of The Big Bang is inaccurate, as others have said.

This thread should have way more comments.

We've had ten dozen threads about religion, evolution, and the Big Bang over the past year. People are getting tired.

Yes. The Pope has said this too.

"When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so, he created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfillment. The Big Bang, which today we hold to be the origin of the world, does not contradict the intervention of the divine creator but, rather, requires it. Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve."

- Pope Francis

In fact, the Big Bang was an idea first proposed by a Catholic priest, Georges Lemaître.

Not sure if sarcasm or...

Both require faith

Oblivously the atom at face value is more believable since its rooted in science, but that's why religion requires faith. You either believe it or you don't, it's not about math and science it's about if it feels right in your heart and soul.

@kaioblitz4:

By that logic we cannot disprove an invisible, intangible, and undetectable flying cupcake floating around our universe that is the size of a house.

The idea of a all powerful deity is heavily ingrained in culture, our ancestors believed it so many of us decide too. We can clearly trace the origin of any attempted modern religion,.

It ultimately boils down to this, if there is a god and free will exists then an atheist would be debating the matter with someone who has faith, if there isn't then there is just 2 pre-programmed lumps of flesh trying to exert dominance, if the latter is right then it makes no difference.

@dextersinister: Yep.

I prefer the idea of free will by a large margin, who wants to be a preprogrammed flesh lump?

I thought you were Muslim Luke?

This I agree with.

@wolverine08: I am Muslim; Allah gave man free will. Which is why there is a heaven and hell.

@wolverine08: I am, Allah gave man free will. Which is why there is a heaven and hell. Each person chooses their fate with the choices they make in this life.

Facts over BS.

@kaioblitz4: I'm serious lol.

@wolverine08: Ok, I've posted this answe like twice and it didn't post lol. What's going on?

Something is wrong with this thread; posts aren't showing up.

LOL, I saw it in my mentions brah.

@wolverine08: OK kool.

My bad for the incorrect description of an atom. I was hurrying to make the thread and really just typed the first thing that came to mind.

This is a Vine-wide problem going on at the moment.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/bug-reporting-2/posts-are-gone-1635892/#33

God is a fantasy.

The Big Bang Theory is a scientific idea inspired by observation and mathematics. It is supported by massive amounts of evidence, logic, and scrutiny from scientists all over the world.

The most believable is that God created the universe. In all other cases except this one, scientists say that it is preposterous to believe that something came from nothing. I see it as an all-powerful being with no beginning or end is just a hard concept to grasp, while something coming from nothing just has no logical foundation.

Using my background in chemistry, even if I were to accept that something came from nothing, in the case of the Big Bang, comparing most planets, those that we clearly observe in our solar system, matched to those found during planet hunting, matched to Earth, I find the odds just too improbable; by comparison, the Earth is vastly unique; why life just on Earth? Why not Venus or Mars? Or, why would life cease to exist on Venus and Mars, but not Earth?

Than, at the basic subatomic and atomic levels, the odds are staggeringly against the formation of life, as we know it; life requires highly complicated and ordered atomic and molecular arrangements. And than, chemistry , physics, or biology can't explain what exactly sparked life from these lifeless molecular arrangements.

@dshipp17: Did you not claim that you existed with God and Jesus before The Universe existed. If so, please explain that claim...

@saren: @sc: @renchamp: @god_spawn: @bumpyboo: This is a dupe thread.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/off-topic-5/why-do-the-big-bang-and-religion-seem-incompatable-1623185/

The answer to your question is far too obvious, elementary school students can probably answer that. Ever heard of the Goldilocks zone?

Also, the odds aren't as staggeringly low as you think. The building blocks for life are actually quite common as new discoveries are showing.

Life at its utmost basic form didn't start off as complex as you say it is, we began as amino acids before it gradually evolved over the course of billions of years to the point where we are today.

"An atom that started the universe" your ignorance is scary.

Threads like these aren't good anymore.

There's too many of 'em.

The funny part is that atoms weren't even existent when the universe was first created.

This is somewhat of a different question, it's asking users which is more believable as opposed to why the two seem incompatible.

With that said, knowing the sheer amount of religion/science threads on the Vine, chances are that somewhere this thread was made too.

Please explain, what is this massive amount of evidence that that supports the Big Bang? Keyword, evidence.

I agree that the Big Bang is speculation; facts and evidence are not necessarily the same as a speculation. Many facts support God. There are several websites full of facts supporting God.

Yes, I did; but I'm forbidden from explaining it in great detail. Are you willing to take a look at the Book of Enoch? If so, what does the Book of Enoch say about God? In order to answer this question, you only need to read the beginning of the Book of Enoch; I'll attempt to explain some, as you present to me what the Book of Enoch says about God. I may be wrong, but I sense honesty in your question.

God triggered the Big Bang.

Would you care to show us some facts that support the existence of God?

@kaioblitz4: @sc: @saren: @renchamp: @bumpyboo:

No. This asks the same thing, with people giving the same answers. Still a dupe thread.

@dshipp17: So.....you're forbidden from explaining how you existed with God and Jesus before The Universe existed if I do not read 'The Book of Enoch'?

Anyone here read Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? Remember the bit where Mxy explains that the little imp in a bowler hat is just how he presents himself to 3D beings because they can't conceive of his true form, and manifests his real body, which Lois Lane cannot properly describe because there is no human way to explain what a 5D being looks like?

That's exactly what happens when people make self-assured statements like "God is a fantasy" or "There is no proof that God exists". Regardless of whether or not God exists, the nature of God --- specifically the nature as defined by claims about God --- is such that no human could ever collect proof that God exists even if such proof were available in the universe. You're a 3D being at the mercy of the constraints of space and time trying to visualize a being of undefined dimensions that allegedly has no limits whatsoever. It's like a blind man deciding light isn't real because he can't see it. Humans collect proof through the tools available to them; what human tool even exists to collect proof about a God? And how do you decide there's no proof without even having the tools to determine that?

For the same reason most theological conceptions of God are probably false as well; it's highly unlikely a God is an old man with a flowing white beard because humans think he is, since we're a speck of dust in an impossibly vast universe and simply not important enough for an omnipotent entity to model itself after. That particular bit of the tale is indeed a fantasy. But whether an omnipotent being that created all of reality exists or not is not a question anyone who has ever lived can really answer in one way or another. Theoretical physicists and high school dropouts are being equally stupid when they try to give "yes" or "no" answers to that question.