@hecktate said:
@doomguy: You're really confused as to why naming buildings after people who instigated the Civil War, one of the bloodiest periods in American history, so that they could continue to systematically abuse and demean entire groups of people is offensive? Jefferson Davis, Robert E Lee, and every other high ranking officer of the Confederacy were traitors. They willingly lead an army of former Americans against the United States government, but yeah let's honor them by naming our American public buildings after them so that our children may aspire to grow up to be great American heroes like . . . Jefferson Davis.
First of all if you think the Civil War was about slavery then you really need to study your history better. Quotes from Lincoln himself and the proposed Corwin Amendment prove that. So look that up.
But, if Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee are traitors then George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and our founding fathers are just the same. The South saw the country their grandfathers established being done away with, with the North demanding a more centralized government and less state rights (EDIT: Which is one reason why our country is in a sh*thole now). With the North placing tariffs and high taxes on the South was pretty much the last straw. Now, I'm not going to say slavery didn't have NO reason at all for being a reason the South SECEDED, but it definitely wasn't the main reason, again, the Corwin Amendment proving that.
Okay. So the South seceded and wanted to become their own country. They didn't want to invade the North and take over the federal government, no, theres not a single piece of evidence for that being their objective. They wanted to be left alone but Lincoln, as stating in many speeches, said he would do anything in his power to preserve the Union.
The South took over all military bases in their lands, seeing them as their own state's property. When South Carolina demanded the evacuation of Union troops at Ft. Sumter, and Lincoln refusing to give in and continuing to send supplies to the fort is when South Carolina decided to attack. No one was killed in the assault, and that's when Lincoln demanded a army to be formed to invade the South and take back what they saw was theirs.
That's when states that haven't already seceded decided to secede (Virginia, Tennessee, etc.). Which proves that secession wasn't all about slavery AGAIN.
The war could have been avoided, all those lives lost could have been avoided. Easily. The North are just as much to blame as the South is for all those lives lost. The South was doing what they believed their founding fathers gave them the right to. When their government became corrupt, they will break away and establish their own. Why do you think George Washington is in the Great Seal of the Confederacy? They were not, at all, traitors. To think that is idiotic. They were doing just as the colonies were doing when they broke away from England's rule.
Slavery being abolished didn't become an objective of Lincoln til the war was nearly over. And the Emancipation Proclamation was basically a strategic move to let England and France know they were against slavery, to prevent France or England in recognizing the Confederacy, and also was done to cause mass panic in the South, Lincoln thinking the slaves would quit working, start revolting, or join the Union army.
Do you know the EP only 'freed' slaves in the states that seceded? Where Lincoln had no control over? Yes. The EP didn't free ONE slave in the border states, such as Missouri, Delaware, and Maryland. No slave in the Americas was freed til after the war, with the passing of the 13th Amendment. Lincoln was by far NOT an abolitionists, and was indeed a white supremacist. He hated slavery, ofcoarse, but believed white people to be superior to blacks, and didn't think blacks should live amongst whites.
Anyways. The war wasn't about slavery, the South were not traitors, and the sole reason the Confederate battle flag was made was to allow the CSA to tell the difference between their flag and the Union flag during battles (The Stars and Bars was easily confused with Union flags and caused confusion on the battlefield). The X on the Confederate battle flag is the same X on Scotlands national flag. It's the cross of St. Andrews.
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