#1 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio

Which would you rather watch:

A Western movie full of gunslinging, bar room brawls, heists, etc., or....

A Pirate movie full of swashbuckling, swordfighting, high seas adventure, etc.

Which genre is the better one?

#2 Posted by Vrakmul (23398 posts) - - Show Bio

Uh oh thou hath used the wrong word. 

#3 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio

It doesn't happen often >.>

#4 Posted by inferiorego (21234 posts) - - Show Bio

Western films. Pirate films are over-rated and can only do so much.

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#5 Posted by Vrakmul (23398 posts) - - Show Bio

Besides Pirates of the Caribbean Pirate movies don't have much going for them.

#6 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio
inferiorego said:
"Western films. Pirate films are over-rated and can only do so much."

Hearing of you education from the other thread, I would like to read the elaboration of your opinion....
#7 Posted by Vrakmul (23398 posts) - - Show Bio

Then again I dont know of many other pirate movies. 

#8 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio
Dreadnaught said:
"Then again I dont know of many other pirate movies. "

I think Waterworld might count.
#9 Posted by Tenjin (1604 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on who is in them, I like Clint Eastwood westerns and Tombstone is one of my favorite movies but I don't care for John wayne and Bonaza type westerns....Pirates of the Caribbean films were bad either though. I think I would wanna watch a Western before a pirate movie.....

#10 Posted by Vrakmul (23398 posts) - - Show Bio
Tenjin said:
"Depends on who is in them, I like Clint Eastwood westerns and Tombstone is one of my favorite movies but I don't care for John wayne and Bonaza type westerns....Pirates of the Caribbean films were bad either though. I think I would wanna watch a Western before a pirate movie....."
True but davy jone's animation was second only to Gollum's.
#11 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio
Tenjin said:
"Depends on who is in them, I like Clint Eastwood westerns and Tombstone is one of my favorite movies but I don't care for John wayne and Bonaza type westerns....Pirates of the Caribbean films were bad either though. I think I would wanna watch a Western before a pirate movie....."

Agree with this post, cept I liked all of the Pirates Of The Caribbean movies.

Good, The Bad, And The Ugly, and Unforgiven are two of the best movies ever, IMHO.
#12 Posted by Vrakmul (23398 posts) - - Show Bio

I do like the Pirates of the Caribbean movies.  But why the hell does every tentacled monster have a circular mouth?

#13 Posted by Tenjin (1604 posts) - - Show Bio

Unforgiven was a great film, I think im going to rent it this afternoon.

#14 Edited by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio
Tenjin said:
"Unforgiven was a great film, I think im going to rent it this afternoon."

Yeah, you really can't go wrong with Clint Eastwood westerns.

@Dread: Didn't the one in Lord Of The Rings have a beak?
#15 Posted by Tenjin (1604 posts) - - Show Bio

i really only cared for the first movie of the PotC trilogy, Barbosa was a better villian than Davey Jones to me.

#16 Posted by Vrakmul (23398 posts) - - Show Bio
Sparda said:
"Tenjin said:
"Unforgiven was a great film, I think im going to rent it this afternoon."

Yeah, you really can't go wrong with Clint Eastwood westerns.

@Dread: Didn't the one in Lord Of The Rings have a beak?"
The movie one had another damned circular mouth.
#17 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio
Tenjin said:
"i really only cared for the first movie of the PotC trilogy, Barbosa was a better villian than Davey Jones to me."

No argument there. First was easily the best, second was probably the worst. Third is above number 2 solely because of the last action scene......that was amazing.
#18 Posted by Tenjin (1604 posts) - - Show Bio
Sparda said:
"Tenjin said:
"i really only cared for the first movie of the PotC trilogy, Barbosa was a better villian than Davey Jones to me."

No argument there. First was easily the best, second was probably the worst. Third is above number 2 solely because of the last action scene......that was amazing."
agreed, the final one was o.k but I liked it for the action and the older brother of Jack Sparrow, the keeper of the Codex....I forgot his name. He was the primest example of a Bada$$ pirate.
#19 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio
Tenjin said:
"Sparda said:
"Tenjin said:
"i really only cared for the first movie of the PotC trilogy, Barbosa was a better villian than Davey Jones to me."

No argument there. First was easily the best, second was probably the worst. Third is above number 2 solely because of the last action scene......that was amazing."
agreed, the final one was o.k but I liked it for the action and the older brother of Jack Sparrow, the keeper of the Codex....I forgot his name. He was the primest example of a Bada$$ pirate."

His Dad, I think. Keith Richards was great as him, great character (I laughed for a while when he shot that one Pirate for talking about disobeying the code, lol).
#20 Posted by Vrakmul (23398 posts) - - Show Bio

I remember that scene, it was hilarious.

#21 Posted by Tenjin (1604 posts) - - Show Bio
Sparda said:
"Tenjin said:
"Sparda said:
"Tenjin said:
"i really only cared for the first movie of the PotC trilogy, Barbosa was a better villian than Davey Jones to me."

No argument there. First was easily the best, second was probably the worst. Third is above number 2 solely because of the last action scene......that was amazing."
agreed, the final one was o.k but I liked it for the action and the older brother of Jack Sparrow, the keeper of the Codex....I forgot his name. He was the primest example of a Bada$$ pirate."

His Dad, I think. Keith Richards was great as him, great character (I laughed for a while when he shot that one Pirate for talking about disobeying the code, lol)."

thats right it was his father, "hows mom" lmao busts out with a shrunken head....
#22 Posted by King Saturn (223823 posts) - - Show Bio
Well I think Johnny Depp's performances in the POTC films... made this choice very easy for me

lol
#23 Posted by inferiorego (21234 posts) - - Show Bio
Sparda said:
"inferiorego said:
"Western films. Pirate films are over-rated and can only do so much."

Hearing of you education from the other thread, I would like to read the elaboration of your opinion...."
I'll just go into the Pirate category since most people are aware of the sub-genres of Westerns and America's love for the genre since the late 1800s.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have yet to see a Pirate movie that actually encompasses what it actually is to be a pirate, and what Pirate life was actually about. Sadly, the closest version to a real pirate film comes from the pornographic film, "Pirates". Pirate films of today tend to be more fantasy than reality, portraying Pirates as "the good guys" or "the anti-heroes", when this is simply not true. Most were murderous pillagers who would kill your family and rape your wife, just for a few extra bucks. The only film comparison I can give you is the Viking film, Pathfinder. Now, I know they're not Pirates, but both groups had the same mentality.

At this point, Pirates are a relatively new phenomenon in American culture, popularity wise. Some can debate they've been popular long before, which in some cases is true, such as the adaptation of Treasure Island back in the 40s I believe, but the amount of films based upon Western life, whether it encompasses fantasy, biographical, humor, the spaghetti western, and action, not only trumps the Pirate "genre", but the quality of film is far superior.

There are too many limits, at least at this point, with the Pirate genre due to the appeal to children, and to the fact most adults are not amused by pirate films. The things you can do are limited because of the appeal. Children can't get into a R rated biopic on Captain Kidd, adults are interested, and studios won't front the money to greenlight the film because they know it has no mass market appeal. Which, at this time, leaves Pirate films in a state a mundane purgatory. We can either watch the fantasy kiddie film, the porno, or the adaptation.

Wait 20 years, and I'm sure the genre will improve, when this generation comes into adulthood.

Lastly, when it comes to Western films, it's an American staple. When foreigners think about American history, they don't think pirates. Chicago gangsters, the Wild West, the Civil War comes to mind. There are many films based on those subjects to the point, they have their own genres.

I'd continue, but I need to shower and go to the gas station.
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#24 Posted by inferiorego (21234 posts) - - Show Bio

Geez, I just realized I started writing a short essay.......

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#25 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio
inferiorego said:
"Sparda said:
"inferiorego said:
"Western films. Pirate films are over-rated and can only do so much."

Hearing of you education from the other thread, I would like to read the elaboration of your opinion...."
I'll just go into the Pirate category since most people are aware of the sub-genres of Westerns and America's love for the genre since the late 1800s.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have yet to see a Pirate movie that actually encompasses what it actually is to be a pirate, and what Pirate life was actually about. Sadly, the closest version to a real pirate film comes from the pornographic film, "Pirates". Pirate films of today tend to be more fantasy than reality, portraying Pirates as "the good guys" or "the anti-heroes", when this is simply not true. Most were murderous pillagers who would kill your family and rape your wife, just for a few extra bucks. The only film comparison I can give you is the Viking film, Pathfinder. Now, I know they're not Pirates, but both groups had the same mentality.

At this point, Pirates are a relatively new phenomenon in American culture, popularity wise. Some can debate they've been popular long before, which in some cases is true, such as the adaptation of Treasure Island back in the 40s I believe, but the amount of films based upon Western life, whether it encompasses fantasy, biographical, humor, the spaghetti western, and action, not only trumps the Pirate "genre", but the quality of film is far superior.

There are too many limits, at least at this point, with the Pirate genre due to the appeal to children, and to the fact most adults are not amused by pirate films. The things you can do are limited because of the appeal. Children can't get into a R rated biopic on Captain Kidd, adults are interested, and studios won't front the money to greenlight the film because they know it has no mass market appeal. Which, at this time, leaves Pirate films in a state a mundane purgatory. We can either watch the fantasy kiddie film, the porno, or the adaptation.

Wait 20 years, and I'm sure the genre will improve, when this generation comes into adulthood.

Lastly, when it comes to Western films, it's an American staple. When foreigners think about American history, they don't think pirates. Chicago gangsters, the Wild West, the Civil War comes to mind. There are many films based on those subjects to the point, they have their own genres.

I'd continue, but I need to shower and go to the gas station."

Great post, very thorough while still being easy to understand.

Thanks!

Tenjin said:
"Sparda said:
"Tenjin said:
"Sparda said:
"Tenjin said:
"i really only cared for the first movie of the PotC trilogy, Barbosa was a better villian than Davey Jones to me."

No argument there. First was easily the best, second was probably the worst. Third is above number 2 solely because of the last action scene......that was amazing."
agreed, the final one was o.k but I liked it for the action and the older brother of Jack Sparrow, the keeper of the Codex....I forgot his name. He was the primest example of a Bada$$ pirate."

His Dad, I think. Keith Richards was great as him, great character (I laughed for a while when he shot that one Pirate for talking about disobeying the code, lol)."

thats right it was his father, "hows mom" lmao busts out with a shrunken head...."

LOL!

Dreadnaught said:
"I remember that scene, it was hilarious."

Most funny part of the whole movie, yep.
#26 Posted by Tenjin (1604 posts) - - Show Bio
inferiorego said:
"Sparda said:
"inferiorego said:
"Western films. Pirate films are over-rated and can only do so much."

Hearing of you education from the other thread, I would like to read the elaboration of your opinion...."
I'll just go into the Pirate category since most people are aware of the sub-genres of Westerns and America's love for the genre since the late 1800s.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have yet to see a Pirate movie that actually encompasses what it actually is to be a pirate, and what Pirate life was actually about. Sadly, the closest version to a real pirate film comes from the pornographic film, "Pirates". Pirate films of today tend to be more fantasy than reality, portraying Pirates as "the good guys" or "the anti-heroes", when this is simply not true. Most were murderous pillagers who would kill your family and rape your wife, just for a few extra bucks. The only film comparison I can give you is the Viking film, Pathfinder. Now, I know they're not Pirates, but both groups had the same mentality.

At this point, Pirates are a relatively new phenomenon in American culture, popularity wise. Some can debate they've been popular long before, which in some cases is true, such as the adaptation of Treasure Island back in the 40s I believe, but the amount of films based upon Western life, whether it encompasses fantasy, biographical, humor, the spaghetti western, and action, not only trumps the Pirate "genre", but the quality of film is far superior.

There are too many limits, at least at this point, with the Pirate genre due to the appeal to children, and to the fact most adults are not amused by pirate films. The things you can do are limited because of the appeal. Children can't get into a R rated biopic on Captain Kidd, adults are interested, and studios won't front the money to greenlight the film because they know it has no mass market appeal. Which, at this time, leaves Pirate films in a state a mundane purgatory. We can either watch the fantasy kiddie film, the porno, or the adaptation.

Wait 20 years, and I'm sure the genre will improve, when this generation comes into adulthood.

Lastly, when it comes to Western films, it's an American staple. When foreigners think about American history, they don't think pirates. Chicago gangsters, the Wild West, the Civil War comes to mind. There are many films based on those subjects to the point, they have their own genres.

I'd continue, but I need to shower and go to the gas station."
technically Vikings were pirates because they pretty much did the same thing except alittle earlier in time.People just gave they're way of life a different name "raiders" but if you look at it in black and white it is vitually the same concept. Kill or be killed, plague the lands and seas, lust for women and slavery. Pirate is just the name for the raiders at that time...well that is the way i see it.

#27 Posted by inferiorego (21234 posts) - - Show Bio

I tried not to be a condescending @sshole for once, mission accomplished.

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#28 Posted by inferiorego (21234 posts) - - Show Bio
Tenjin said:
"inferiorego said:
"Sparda said:
"inferiorego said:
"Western films. Pirate films are over-rated and can only do so much."

Hearing of you education from the other thread, I would like to read the elaboration of your opinion...."
I'll just go into the Pirate category since most people are aware of the sub-genres of Westerns and America's love for the genre since the late 1800s.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have yet to see a Pirate movie that actually encompasses what it actually is to be a pirate, and what Pirate life was actually about. Sadly, the closest version to a real pirate film comes from the pornographic film, "Pirates". Pirate films of today tend to be more fantasy than reality, portraying Pirates as "the good guys" or "the anti-heroes", when this is simply not true. Most were murderous pillagers who would kill your family and rape your wife, just for a few extra bucks. The only film comparison I can give you is the Viking film, Pathfinder. Now, I know they're not Pirates, but both groups had the same mentality.

At this point, Pirates are a relatively new phenomenon in American culture, popularity wise. Some can debate they've been popular long before, which in some cases is true, such as the adaptation of Treasure Island back in the 40s I believe, but the amount of films based upon Western life, whether it encompasses fantasy, biographical, humor, the spaghetti western, and action, not only trumps the Pirate "genre", but the quality of film is far superior.

There are too many limits, at least at this point, with the Pirate genre due to the appeal to children, and to the fact most adults are not amused by pirate films. The things you can do are limited because of the appeal. Children can't get into a R rated biopic on Captain Kidd, adults are interested, and studios won't front the money to greenlight the film because they know it has no mass market appeal. Which, at this time, leaves Pirate films in a state a mundane purgatory. We can either watch the fantasy kiddie film, the porno, or the adaptation.

Wait 20 years, and I'm sure the genre will improve, when this generation comes into adulthood.

Lastly, when it comes to Western films, it's an American staple. When foreigners think about American history, they don't think pirates. Chicago gangsters, the Wild West, the Civil War comes to mind. There are many films based on those subjects to the point, they have their own genres.

I'd continue, but I need to shower and go to the gas station."
technically Vikings were pirates because they pretty much did the same thing except alittle earlier in time.People just gave they're way of life a different name "raiders" but if you look at it in black and white it is vitually the same concept. Kill or be killed, plague the lands and seas, lust for women and slavery. Pirate is just the name for the raiders at that time...well that is the way i see it.

"
Vikings and Pirates have to be separated due to the fact that hundreds of years lapsed in between them, and also that the Viking culture was heavily influenced by religion. Pirates were influenced by greed and vengeance. The cultures are similar, but completely different at the same time...
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#29 Posted by Resonate (15054 posts) - - Show Bio

Once theyve done a really good pirate movie then I know what my choice would be, the theory is much funner to me, but....yeah, PotC kind of got lame after the first movie

#30 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio
Resonate said:
"Once theyve done a really good pirate movie then I know what my choice would be, the theory is much funner to me, but....yeah, PotC kind of got lame after the first movie"

Madness, it's madness I tell you!
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#32 Posted by inferiorego (21234 posts) - - Show Bio
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Ninjas and Pirates are bandwagon lameness
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