We don't see the strongest Black Heroes in Marvel or Dc often!

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#51  Edited By The_Ghostshell

There should be a Black Flash, jus sayin......

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#52  Edited By Primmaster64
@CODYSF said:

@SyIar said:

Cry me a river. There are many.. MANY other races out there that aren't even given the time of day. Sheesh.

This!!!!

Indeed.
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Yeah, I noticed that. There aren't enough Indians in the NBA either. Just kidding.

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#54  Edited By Static Shock

@The Man of Yesteryear said:

Yeah, I noticed that. There aren't enough Indians in the NBA either. Just kidding.

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#55  Edited By Mega_spidey01

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Blue Marvel was great. Wasn't there talk of bringing him onto an Avengers roster somehow?
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#56  Edited By OmegaDynasty
@Gambler said:
There should be a Black Flash, jus sayin......
Here you are, have a nice day.  
 
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#57  Edited By utotheg38

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Gambler said:
There should be a Black Flash, jus sayin......
Here you are, have a nice day.

Omega doesn't like black people :O

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#58  Edited By Mega_spidey01

i want good characters with good stories that are interesting. there aren't very many black characters that standout in marvel & DC. great characters are complex like batman, spider-man, superman & have good rogue gallery like batman, spider-man & superman.

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#59  Edited By The_Ghostshell

@OmegaDynasty: Ha! Now thats comedic talent

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#60  Edited By Blood1991

There are plenty of notable Black characters; Storm, the Black Panther, Black Lightning, Cyborg, Falcon, John Stewart, Photon, Misty Knight, plus Aqualad, Icon,and Rocket have been in Young Justice. Perhaps the most prominent aren't as strong as Superman or Thor, but Phothon, Storm, Cage, Black Lightning, and John are all pretty upper tier in terms of power.

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#61  Edited By SC  Moderator

We don't really see characters that aren't hugely popular characters or pet favorites of writers characters in Marvel or DC often as well. Marvel's last cow milker has Wolverine, Cyclops, Captain America etc plastered al over it, and Hope, who is basically reduced to a blank slate plot pusher character now. So its more accurate to say we don't see a lot of all types of characters than the strongest black characters. Depending on your definition of strong, we could say that Storm and Black Panther do an alright job of representing strong black characters.  
 
Ultimately to get more prominent any characters, you have 3 easy rough general ways. Have them become popular and profitable naturally or and by chance. Deadpool is a good example of this. Combination of factors. Time, appearances, distinguishing characteristics, enough to justify increased exposure to help making character work. Have a writer be fond of the character. Dan Slott was fond of Blue Marvel and was going to use him in his Avengers book. Bendis was fond of Sentry, Noh Varr, etc etc and thus used them a lot. Writer uses character a lot, they become popular and profitable if they weren't already. Third and lastly, you make noise about a character. Note, some people may consider this complaining, but still, you like a character and you think other people will if they know a character, make noise about them. Forums, with creators, with editors and artists, fans, people who might be fans. Note here is you also don't want people to dislike the character lol - still if a person is going to not like a character or book based on how another person praises it, probably wasn't going to be a high likelihood they were going to be supportive. Main thing here is just to raise awareness of a character or book you want more of. With time and discussion good or bad, character will slowly start increasing their odds at being used which will increase awareness which will increase use and... etc Emma Frost was suggested to Grant Morrison from a fan who thought he could use her well based on his past writings and now she is huge. Dex Star was a joke character until fans reacted positively. Quite a few writers and artists are savvy enough to know what goes down in forums and to throw shout outs to fans who are loud enough with the right messages. Talk to fellow fans, recommend good stories with your favorite characters, I see Saga and Lady Mechanika getting good word of mouth. Blog about them. Ask creators on Twitter and Formspring and tell them they would be awesome at writing etc character (but remember if you are overbearing you may just burn bridges)   

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#62  Edited By HumanNumber

@Vance Astro said:

@HumanNumber said:

Well i wasn't really talking just about forums, i meant more general such as articles and opinion pieces.

That wouldn't have changed my post.

Well you specifically mentioned forums, so i thought i needed to explain myself just a bit. You're right about marvel not caring what people on forums or comic news sites feel about minority characters but i think the writers might. The writers are more likely to be involved in community discussion than the heads of marvel or dc, so they may feel a slight pressure from some fan's outcry for more minority characters. I personally just don't like the topic of diversity in comics, games, tv, ect.

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#63  Edited By NlGHTCRAWLER

What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!

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#64  Edited By Enemybird

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!

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#65  Edited By utotheg38

@Enemybird said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!

They have blue beetle!

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#66  Edited By Cozy_Da_Djed_Eye

Lol or you could just say anime =p But then again anime characters look white.

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#67  Edited By utotheg38

LOL I know

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#68  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!

What about'em?
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#69  Edited By Enemybird

@utotheg38 said:

@Enemybird said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!

They have blue beetle!

What about us Asians? Hiro Nakamura is embarrassing and doesn't count

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#70  Edited By utotheg38

Oh and white tiger, Reptile.

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#71  Edited By utotheg38

@Enemybird said:

@utotheg38 said:

@Enemybird said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!

They have blue beetle!

What about us Asians? Hiro Nakamura is embarrassing and doesn't count

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#72  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@Enemybird said:

What about us Asians? Hiro Nakamura is embarrassing and doesn't count

Shang Chi,Psylocke,Sunfire,Batgirl,Jubilee,Collective Man,Grace Choi,Armor,Hazmat,Jolt etc.
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#73  Edited By Jonny_Anonymous

How about Romani other than Doom?

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#74  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@spiderbat87 said:
How about Romani other than Doom?
Nightcrawler,Nightwing,Meggan,Scarlet Witch,Quicksilver,Skein,Obviously Gypsy.
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#75  Edited By utotheg38

Isn't doom good enough?, B!tches love doom.

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#76  Edited By Jonny_Anonymous
@Vance Astro said:
@spiderbat87 said:
How about Romani other than Doom?
Nightcrawler,Nightwing,Meggan,Scarlet Witch,Quicksilver,Skein,Obviously Gypsy.
Since when has Dick been Romani? 
 
@utotheg38: Yea but the most prominent Romani character being a mass murdering megalomaniac is not cool  
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#77  Edited By AssertingValor

This topic is still being discussed???........

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#78  Edited By Enemybird

@Vance Astro said:

@Enemybird said:

What about us Asians? Hiro Nakamura is embarrassing and doesn't count

Shang Chi,Psylocke,Sunfire,Batgirl,Jubilee,Collective Man,Grace Choi,Armor,Hazmat,Jolt etc.

Ba zing! thanks for the list

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#79  Edited By daredevil21134

Unleash Blade

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#80  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@spiderbat87 said:
Since when has Dick been Romani? 
I'm pretty sure the Grayson's are.
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#81  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@LordMaverick said:

This topic is still being discussed???........

Kind of but not really. 
 
@Enemybird said:

Ba zing! thanks for the list

Yup.
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#82  Edited By utotheg38

What about Middle eastern characters? HUH?!

*Waits for list*

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#83  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@utotheg38 said:

What about Middle eastern characters? HUH?!

*Waits for list*

Excalibur,Dust,Arabian Knight,Sabra,I think Black Adam is also technically middle eastern.
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#84  Edited By utotheg38

@Vance Astro said:

@utotheg38 said:

What about Middle eastern characters? HUH?!

*Waits for list*

Excalibur,Dust,Arabian Knight,Sabra,I think Black Adam is also technically middle eastern.

Yay, You made this...........................THE PERFECT DAY!!! *THROWS MINI RAINBOWS* LOL

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#85  Edited By Jonny_Anonymous

How about Tofalar?

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#86  Edited By utotheg38

LOL It should be a quest to scare a mod away. XD

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#87  Edited By NlGHTCRAWLER

@utotheg38 said:

@Enemybird said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!

They have blue beetle!

That's just not enough. And don't even get me started on Native American characters....

@Vance Astro said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!

What about'em?

I just find it odd that so many complain about the lack of black characters when they get more recognition than any other race in comics besides whites.

@Enemybird: Hiro IS AWESOME, I have no idea what you're talking about.

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#88  Edited By utotheg38

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

@utotheg38 said:

@Enemybird said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!

They have blue beetle!

That's just not enough. And don't even get me started on Native American characters....

@Vance Astro said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!

What about'em?

I just find it odd that so many complain about the lack of black characters when they get more recognition than any other race in comics besides whites.

@Enemybird: Hiro IS AWESOME, I have no idea what you're talking about.

That's because the white man wants us to know blacks are second to him only. :O

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#89  Edited By NlGHTCRAWLER

@utotheg38 said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

@utotheg38 said:

@Enemybird said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!

They have blue beetle!

That's just not enough. And don't even get me started on Native American characters....

@Vance Astro said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!

What about'em?

I just find it odd that so many complain about the lack of black characters when they get more recognition than any other race in comics besides whites.

@Enemybird: Hiro IS AWESOME, I have no idea what you're talking about.

That's because the white man wants us to know blacks are second to him only. :O

And that's fine as long as the blacks know this and accept it just like the rest of us.

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#90  Edited By utotheg38

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

@utotheg38 said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

@utotheg38 said:

@Enemybird said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!

They have blue beetle!

That's just not enough. And don't even get me started on Native American characters....

@Vance Astro said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

What about Asians/Hispanics? WHAT ABOUT THEM?!

What about'em?

I just find it odd that so many complain about the lack of black characters when they get more recognition than any other race in comics besides whites.

@Enemybird: Hiro IS AWESOME, I have no idea what you're talking about.

That's because the white man wants us to know blacks are second to him only. :O

And that's fine as long as the blacks know this and accept it just like the rest of us.

But aren't Hispanics just black people? (Rhetorical)

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#91  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
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I just find it odd that so many complain about the lack of black characters when they get more recognition than any other race in comics besides whites.

I don't get why it's odd.White Hetero Male characters still almost completely dominate comicbooks.Yes we are represented more often the Hispanics or Asians and many other minority groups but we are still under-represented.That's the point.The fact that other races aren't as well doesn't mean that black people can't have a problem with it.
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#92  Edited By NlGHTCRAWLER

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@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

I just find it odd that so many complain about the lack of black characters when they get more recognition than any other race in comics besides whites.

I don't get why it's odd.White Hetero Male characters still almost completely dominate comicbooks.Yes we are represented more often the Hispanics or Asians and many other minority groups but we are still under-represented.That's the point.The fact that other races aren't as well doesn't mean that black people can't have a problem with it.

You don't see white/brown/yellow/blue people complain about how other races are under-represented in the NBA or in current pop music, but when it's the white man it obviously must be wrong and therefor must be changed. If you want to read more about black characters, then so be it, but that doesn't mean the rest of us wants or needs to. I have never picked up a book based upon the color of the heroes skin and i'm not going to start now just because a group of people are unhappy with the end results of something that doesn't directly concern them. You have every right to want more characters to relate to yourself, but to openly get upset because your race isn't "First" is just ridiculous.

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#93  Edited By ssejllenrad

Southeast Asian characters? None? Hmpf!

Rant rant ranty ranty rant! Raaaaant! WTF?!?!? Race rant! Rant! Raaaaaaaaaaaaaantyyyyy rant! Whinney rant!

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#94  Edited By ssejllenrad

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

You don't see white/brown/yellow/blue people complain about how other races are under-represented in the NBA or in current pop music, but when it's the white man it obviously must be wrong and therefor must be changed. If you want to read more about black characters, then so be it, but that doesn't mean the rest of us wants or needs to. I have never picked up a book based upon the color of the heroes skin and i'm not going to start now just because a group of people are unhappy with the end results of something that doesn't directly concern them. You have every right to want more characters to relate to yourself, but to openly get upset because your race isn't "First" is just ridiculous.

I agree that nobody should be complaining about this but your comparison to NBA is quite flawed. I mean the other colors are not very much represented in NBA because they don't excel that much compared to the black dudes. But in comics, people are in direct control who gets to be represented and not. Again, I'm not arguing against you. I just thought the analysis was a wee bit erred.

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#95  Edited By NlGHTCRAWLER

@ssejllenrad said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

You don't see white/brown/yellow/blue people complain about how other races are under-represented in the NBA or in current pop music, but when it's the white man it obviously must be wrong and therefor must be changed. If you want to read more about black characters, then so be it, but that doesn't mean the rest of us wants or needs to. I have never picked up a book based upon the color of the heroes skin and i'm not going to start now just because a group of people are unhappy with the end results of something that doesn't directly concern them. You have every right to want more characters to relate to yourself, but to openly get upset because your race isn't "First" is just ridiculous.

I agree that nobody should be complaining about this but your comparison to NBA is quite flawed. I mean the other colors are not very much represented in NBA because they don't excel that much compared to the black dudes. But in comics, people are in direct control who gets to be represented and not. Again, I'm not arguing against you. I just thought the analysis was a wee bit erred.

You're saying that non-blacks are under-represented because they don't excel themselves in the NBA, but the same can be said about the writers and creators of comic book characters, right? I'm sure minorities could excel themselves more into the comic business if they wanted to. I have never heard of any biases in the industry based on skin color.

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#96  Edited By ssejllenrad

@NlGHTCRAWLER: Well the thing in comics is that there is this standing status quo that has already been established and is not that easy to topple. Writers may want to excel in representing the minorities but the established (caucasian-hetero) characters are still more popular. In sport, you may be an establishment but you expire. And they get replaced by the next generation. In the case of basketball, the blacks still do represent the bulk of athletes despite any generation. Just my 2 cents.

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#97  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

You don't see white/brown/yellow/blue people complain about how other races are under-represented in the NBA or in current pop music,

This is the most ridiculous comparison ever. 
 
@ssejllenrad said:

I agree that nobody should be complaining about this 

Why shouldn't anyone complain?  
 
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

You have every right to want more characters to relate to yourself, but to openly get upset because your race isn't "First" is just ridiculous.

Nobody is upset though.... 
 
@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

 I have never heard of any biases in the industry based on skin color.

I'm sure this isn't something any industry would openly admit.
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#98  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator
@ssejllenrad said:

Southeast Asian characters? None? Hmpf!

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#99  Edited By utotheg38

@ssejllenrad said:

@NlGHTCRAWLER said:

You don't see white/brown/yellow/blue people complain about how other races are under-represented in the NBA or in current pop music, but when it's the white man it obviously must be wrong and therefor must be changed. If you want to read more about black characters, then so be it, but that doesn't mean the rest of us wants or needs to. I have never picked up a book based upon the color of the heroes skin and i'm not going to start now just because a group of people are unhappy with the end results of something that doesn't directly concern them. You have every right to want more characters to relate to yourself, but to openly get upset because your race isn't "First" is just ridiculous.

I agree that nobody should be complaining about this but your comparison to NBA is quite flawed. I mean the other colors are not very much represented in NBA because they don't excel that much compared to the black dudes. But in comics, people are in direct control who gets to be represented and not. Again, I'm not arguing against you. I just thought the analysis was a wee bit erred.

Racism!!!!

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#100  Edited By ssejllenrad

@Vance Astro said:

@ssejllenrad said:

Southeast Asian characters? None? Hmpf!

Cascade,Bengal,Jenny Quantum,Karma,Mantis

Wow! I'm happy now.

@Vance Astro said:

@ssejllenrad said:

I agree that nobody should be complaining about this

I don't believe complaining changes things. If there is wrong, then something must be done about it aside from whining about it. If not, just let things go.