U.S Current Marines (with Marine Swords) vs 16th Century Knights

Armor wins this for the knight duders.

Take the armor away and we have a match.

Duh cattle battle. Don't you ever watch marine commercials? They always have a sword in it somewhere.

I thought that was for show. XD

Me too. I'm just f*ckin with cattle duder.

It Is for show? :O

That's f*cked up.XD

@CozyDaPrynce said:

Duh cattle battle. Don't you ever watch marine commercials? They always have a sword in it somewhere.

From what my cousin tells me (former Marine), those swords were never used for combat just for marching and drills.

Knights win.

The Knights win, what formal training in swordsmanship do marines even get?

interesting...i would say the soldiers...they may have better tactics...and with fighting,i think the knights MIGHT be better at H2H,but im not sure...i say marines

the knights.they are trained to fight their swords and H2H combat while the marines are used to guns and even if they are trained in h2h how many times did they go about killing some dude with his bare hands? Knights are in their field of comfort and expertise.

Assuming the knights don't act like they did at Crecy. They would stomp the marines

@umbrafeline said:

this sounds like a job for the guys from deadliest warrior

These guys aren't qualified to talk about anything history related, let alone military worth.

                   

@umbrafeline said:

this sounds like a job for the guys from deadliest warrior

These guys aren't qualified to talk about anything history related, let alone military worth.

                   

               

@umbrafeline said:

mythbusters then?

They aren't really qualified either, but it would still be better then the deadliest warrior team. While that show is hilariously entertaining. Anyone university trained in history can see they are completely incompetent. Then once you start researching their "experts" (many whom have been proven to be actors and to have zero history credentials) then it becomes plain. This ignoring the ridiculously inaccurate information they give or fact that their "tests" do not follow the scientific method.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

I'm sure with those swords or combat knives, Marines are still trained in MMA fighting. Are you people sure the Knights are good at hand to hand combat at close quarters than MMA fighters?

Yes I'm sure. I studied them in university. Knights were exceedingly well trained in unarmed and armed combat. They had access to translations of the greek manuals to pankration (which was basically MMA's violent older brother who had a life sentence) as well as integrated grappling techniques inherited from the various barbarian tribes that were their ancestors. They defeated with far inferior number forces on three continents and were constantly honing their skills from the age of 10-11.

The idea that knights were dumb brutes with no skill is a myth fabricated by hollywood

@umbrafeline said:

you have to factor in the weight of the knights armor vs the marines armor when it comes to h2h combat, yinz seem to forget that

You do know that real plate armor, outfitted the the knight supposed to wear it was lighter then the tactical armor worn by modern marines correct?

                   

@umbrafeline said:

you have to factor in the weight of the knights armor vs the marines armor when it comes to h2h combat, yinz seem to forget that

You do know that real plate armor, outfitted the the knight supposed to wear it was lighter then the tactical armor worn by modern marines correct?

                   

               

@AtPhantom said:

@Crom-Cruach said:

They had access to translations of the greek manuals to pankration

Intersting. I didn't know that. I had assumed Pankration died out with the antiquity.

nope, these were actually lost much later, around the 17th century and later depending on the countries. Many manuals were accessible in France as late as before the french revolution (lots of books burned and lost at that time)

@AweSam said:

If they got close, the knight would have his throat slit open before he could swing his sword.

I seriously hope this isn't serious comment. Knights were expert knifefighters

@AweSam said:

Not as proficient as people are today.

That's just false. Their knife fighting techniques were honed from centuries of devellopment. They trained daily from age 11. The idea that modern marines are better knife fighters is ludicrous.

@AweSam said:

No real way to prove that they're better.

They have more experience and training (since age 10-11 again, marine training starts at 18). They trained almost daily with their weapons, they fought on three continents with those weapons and prevailed against superior numbers without any of the high tech weaponry marines now have.

Cut it anyway you want, but there is far more reason to believe knights were better knife fighters then marines.

@AweSam said:

This is all theoretical and hypothetical.

There is nothing theoretical and hypothetical about what I said. They did start training around 10-11, they did fight on three continents and prevailed against superior numbers. they did train almost daily. Nothing is hypothetical in that, it's recorded historical fact.

@ssejllenrad said:

@Crom-Cruach: Frequency of practice and experience I will give to the knights but the melting-pot cross-training and development/optimization of styles I will give to the marines.

Why? Knights refined their techniques from centuries of distillation coming from both greek and romans (who inherited from their own enemies) and from the germanic and steppe rider tribes that melded to form the knight tradition. They were involved in every war until the early 1600's and their techniques and weaponry constantly evolved. Cross training was ample as competing schools constantly tried to top each other.

There is nothing in the marine's training to make us believe it has any grain superior to knight training where this battle is concerned.

@ssejllenrad said:

I'm not siding with them. I'm just saying they have got some things on their side that the medieval warriors have not.

There aren't a million ways to use a knife and not die with the way the human body works. Cross-training is only as effective as proving what works and what gets you killed.

Marines are great soldiers, I'll never argue against that. But there is no basis to make us believe they have any superiority to knights in what comes into play here.