#1 Posted by JediXMan (31265 posts) - - Show Bio

Have you ever wondered whether the person you're talking to is a troll or a rather immature child? I don't mean that as an insult. I mean a literal child. Yes, this site is for people over 13, but some parents don't watch their kids. A third option is that the other is. perhaps, mentally handicap in some way.
 
I think most of the trolls we come across are adults with no life who just want to irritate others for no reason other than to make themselves feel good. But I'll admit: a small part of me wonders who it is I'm talking to. In real life, I know who I'm talking to. I'm nice to kids and polite to the parents (unless the parents are idiots. In which case I'm nice to the kids and will correct the parents.... politely). I'm nice to friends and colleagues, but I customize my speech to those I'm with. On the internet, I have no idea who's on the other end of the screen, and so I treat everybody that I don't know equally. Those that see me around and don't completely know me see me as stern and serious. I'm not completely different in real life, but those that know me know that I actually am a nice guy (on the internet and real life). I will admit, however: I wonder if, one day, I'll get an angry message from some poster's mom telling me not to "be mean" to their kid. Now I never try to be mean - I'm just truthfully blunt in my choice of words.
 
This isn't targeted at anyone. It's just something that's been on my mind. And please let's not start a flame war (I'd rather not get it locked, thanks). I want a civil discussion on this. The topic is more or less about forum etiquette and / or how we interact with those that are... incorrect or ignorant or immature - and no, I'm not preaching or trying to tell you what to do. It's just a topic I felt like bringing up.

#2 Posted by danhimself (22712 posts) - - Show Bio

does anyone remember Daniel Spengies???  worst troll ever

#3 Posted by OmegaDynasty (9199 posts) - - Show Bio

Trolls will come and trolls will go. Tis life. 

#4 Posted by ViciousCesar! (2305 posts) - - Show Bio

on most occasions, i'd have to say neither. just people with opinions differing from our own and without the ability to articulate what they are really feeling.

#5 Posted by coSmic_cUbeR (293 posts) - - Show Bio

I can not say I am one or not one, I have not run into any respected users stating me as a troll so I believe I am not one.

#6 Posted by Silver2467 (16387 posts) - - Show Bio

There have been some trolls I thought for sure were below the age of 12. Now, I never could conclude that with any real fact behind it, but it has been surmised by their sentence structure and maturity (or rather their lack thereof). Other trolls, they may be adults, but that does not make them mature. 

#7 Posted by SC (13341 posts) - - Show Bio

I categorize it more like this, the naive, the entitled, the bored and the silly.  
 
The entitled are the worse in my opinion, because they should know better. You think that might be sarcastic when they start telling you how comic writers, comic companies, women, old people, young people ruined their lives and need to die or something, then your like... ah a troll, but then you realize they are serious, just really entitled. lol 'Old; comic fans, people etc are usually the ones that fall into this category. Things were better in the 80's and 90's before Joe Q strapped on a... 'Ultimate Nullifier' and 'Nullified' the Sweaty socks off Marvel company. 
 
Naive people can be relentless. They can't make the distinction between opinion and fact, subjectivity and objectivity and can be prone to taking things personally. Anything they see offensive to their understanding of things, they take personally. You have your own thoughts about a particular character, they disagree and they stalk you. It must be a fact that their opinion is right. You think they might be a troll... then you realize they are really serious that Wolverines claws can't be broken by say the TOAA because they looked up unbreakable in the dictionary and don't understand context or how the english language works. Naive people can be nice though. Or alternatively kids. Kids are generally naive.  
 
The bored are bored and its funny seeing people get worked up. Bored people usually get bored fast though and leave, or are too obvious. Or they get denied by savvy posters who realize what they are doing so give smart ass comments. These posters have low post counts and post repeat threads. We already discussed Batman being gay with Robin on the internet back in 2005 and that joke was already old back then too. Now days its about about inter company X-Overs =D These guys are harmless, unless they are really bored, and with homophobic, or racist tendencies, then they are dicks. 
 
The silly... uhm, I don't know many of these posters *cough*, its not quite entitlement or naivety, or boredom that make them seek to well post in ways that may bother or annoy others... usually intent is pure, and it might be taken advantage of someone else but not directly... these posters you can't kill with fire and are often on at nights because the Night Time is the Right time. Radio X!!! Is the Allllttteeernative!  These guys might get annoying, but they are silly. You shouldn't be angry at the silly. They can't help it. 
 
Trolls I maintain only have power if you give them power. Trolls are only able to be Trolls if you tell them to build a bridge and get over it, cause they build a bridge alright and then they metaphorically take up skirt pictures of you even if your wearing pants! Better to let the trolls know you actually have many troll friends, because everyone knows a young new fresh troll is a friendless virgin who wants people to care about them but doesn't know how, and you can offer them that, friendship, or impassiveness, and then they follow you, right to the Troll Eating Dragon you kept outside your castle. Then you smile, and say Sic Em Albi, (I named my dragon Albi but he ain't racist) 

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#8 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23238 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC said:
" I categorize it more like this, the naive, the entitled, the bored and the silly.  
 
The entitled are the worse in my opinion, because they should know better. You think that might be sarcastic when they start telling you how comic writers, comic companies, women, old people, young people ruined their lives and need to die or something, then your like... ah a troll, but then you realize they are serious, just really entitled. lol 'Old; comic fans, people etc are usually the ones that fall into this category. Things were better in the 80's and 90's before Joe Q strapped on a... 'Ultimate Nullifier' and 'Nullified' the Sweaty socks off Marvel company. 

I'm not a troll, but I'm serious when I say that Brian Bendis should be killed for Siege.
#9 Edited by SC (13341 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:

" @SC said:

" I categorize it more like this, the naive, the entitled, the bored and the silly.  
 
The entitled are the worse in my opinion, because they should know better. You think that might be sarcastic when they start telling you how comic writers, comic companies, women, old people, young people ruined their lives and need to die or something, then your like... ah a troll, but then you realize they are serious, just really entitled. lol 'Old; comic fans, people etc are usually the ones that fall into this category. Things were better in the 80's and 90's before Joe Q strapped on a... 'Ultimate Nullifier' and 'Nullified' the Sweaty socks off Marvel company. 

I'm not a troll, but I'm serious when I say that Brian Bendis should be killed for Siege. "
 
lol sometimes the entitled are fully valid and in the right, and have impunity to to seek righting a wrong. ^_^
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#10 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23238 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC: Nice save ;)
#11 Edited by SC (13341 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:

" @SC: Nice save ;) "

 
Its actually a funny point your brought up though, cause Bendis trolls his detractors and some characters often too in the actual comics... I few weeks back in one of those Avenger back ups, and poor D-Man, and Echo! Why would he troll Echo in New Avengers. Plus he made a "haha" about how he would kill Alpha Flight again now they are back and getting a new book. I was pissed when they died the first time. >.> 
 
Is Bendis a troll though, or just an old looking bald 8 year old kid though? lol
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#12 Edited by lagoon_boy (10878 posts) - - Show Bio
 I was a troll...oh..the road of trollogy kept me from reality! It blinded me that Deadpool can actually be beaten! That was dark times in the web life..dark times.
#13 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23238 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:

" @SC: Nice save ;) "

 Its actually a funny point your brought up though, cause Bendis trolls his detractors and some characters often too in the actual comics... I few weeks back in one of those Avenger back ups, and poor D-Man, and Echo! Why would he troll Echo in New Avengers. Plus he made a "haha" about how he would kill Alpha Flight again now they are back and getting a new book. I was pissed when they died the first time. >.>  Is Bendis a troll though, or just an old looking bald 8 year old kid though? lol "
I think he's just an idiot who thinks he's a lot more clever than he is.
#14 Posted by Billy Batson (58293 posts) - - Show Bio

hmmm

#15 Posted by Edamame (28360 posts) - - Show Bio

That is hard to tell.  This is an interesting question though.

#16 Posted by Nefarious (22877 posts) - - Show Bio

Who is the worst troll that this site has had?

#17 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nefarious said:
"Who is the worst troll that this site has had? "

klancair and rbystsi
#18 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio

all trolls are immature kids 
all immature kids are trolls
#19 Posted by Starkin (3262 posts) - - Show Bio
@FLCL1 said:
" @Nefarious said:
"Who is the worst troll that this site has had? "
klancair and rbystsi "
Nowhere close to being the worse this site has seen.
#20 Posted by Nefarious (22877 posts) - - Show Bio
@FLCL1: Ah, I see. =/
#21 Posted by FLCL1 (9287 posts) - - Show Bio
@ Starkin said:
" @FLCL1 said:
" @Nefarious said:
"Who is the worst troll that this site has had? "
klancair and rbystsi "
Nowhere close to being the worse this site has seen. "

i beg to differ but out of curiousity in your opinion who?
#22 Posted by Dracade102 (8126 posts) - - Show Bio

They're both equally as unpleasant.

#23 Posted by TheCerealKillz (10234 posts) - - Show Bio

I was once a DBZ Lover.....Not a troll, just believed that Goku could beat Superman.... 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Oh, how I've changed......

#24 Edited by Nefarious (22877 posts) - - Show Bio

How about that guy, "WolverinePWNZ"? I saw that thread where he was calling Morpheus and others trolls...

#25 Posted by Edamame (28360 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nefarious said:
" How about that guy, "WolverinePWNZ"? I saw that thread where he was calling Morpheus and others trolls... "
LOL Yeah. I hate to say this, but I found that hilarious.
#26 Posted by JediXMan (31265 posts) - - Show Bio

This wasn't meant to be actually talking about trolls. I was asking whether the thought ever crossed your mind that it could be a kid or somebody mentally challenged rather than an outright troll intending to cause trouble. Or that the kid might actually believe what he's saying.
 
I gave my opinion on that. I won't change my behavior unless I know for certain what category they're in (even then I can never be 100%)

#27 Posted by Nefarious (22877 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame: I hope that never happens again. lol 
 
@JediXMan: Oh, sorry about that. I think 95% of the time, it is either someone that craves for recognition or just someone that just loves to cause chaos on the internet. For a troll that is mentally challenged, no one will know that. 
#28 Posted by JediXMan (31265 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nefarious: 
 
95% of the time, yes that's probably true. Still, occasionally I do wonder.
#29 Posted by CaptinAwesome (317 posts) - - Show Bio
#30 Posted by Nefarious (22877 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan: Yes, the fact that a lot of the time...trolls are kids..but even that is debatable since trolls come in different age groups. I mean, some  trolls that I have seen on Youtube are fully grown adults and teens, of course. You know what they do. 
#31 Posted by Green Skin (2918 posts) - - Show Bio

I always wonder if some trolls are just foreigners, and the language gap is what's making them annoying.

#32 Posted by JediXMan (31265 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nefarious said:
" @JediXMan: Yes, the fact that a lot of the time...trolls are kids..but even that is debatable since trolls come in different age groups. I mean, some  trolls that I have seen on Youtube are fully grown adults and teens, of course. You know what they do.  "
That's generally true. Trolls generally are teens and adults.
 
What I always wonder is why all trolls have bad grammar. Are they trying to make people think they're kids? Of course, the vast majority of people on the internet never heard of a shift key or punctuation marks.
#33 Posted by Nefarious (22877 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan: Well, there are numerous reasons to this case such as...you have trolls that are functionally illiterate or they usually use slang in their comments. Most likely, they could be trying to deceive people into thinking they are kids...so they can fit within that certain age group...basically, descending from their true level, of course...all of that could go in many directions.  
 
The majority of the trolls that don't use the shift key or punctuation marks...could either be typing so fast that they don't feel like using those keys or it could be laziness. Trolls have their silly reasons.
#34 Posted by JediXMan (31265 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nefarious: 
 
True. Okay, I agree.
 
I, personally, never make fun of another person's grammatical or spelling errors. The only time I do that is if somebody nitpicks on my posts (I don't read through them before I post. But I do try to maintain good grammar and I'll fix something if I notice it) or somebody else's posts.
#35 Edited by Nefarious (22877 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan: Mean either, it is pointless behavior. Normally, I would not feed the troll...but if he/she continues to blabber about nonsense...I, too, respond with the correct grammar, just like you do and fix any mistakes or others'. But, I would just stay calm in my post..and not let the troll get the best of me. Show that you are the mature individual in the conversation who is educated.