Time vs Free Will

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#1  Edited By RoyalDivinity

If time exists, does free will truly exists?
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#2  Edited By ssejllenrad

Ahhh... Philosophy! It's like insanity... Just more nonsensical! :D

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#3  Edited By nefarious

Free Will does exist and it is all based on choices. 

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#4  Edited By TheGoldenOne
Destiny vs Free Will...I don't think we will ever truly know the answer.
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#5  Edited By Deadcool
@PunkMastaFlex said:
If time exists, does free will truly exists?

...? 
What do you mean? 
We all born with the power to do whatever we want to do, time is just what we waste with our will... 

@TheGoldenOne: 
Free will, such thing as Destiny is just a fantasy... 
 
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#6  Edited By RoyalDivinity
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Destiny isn't a fantasy. It's only a fantasy to a person that has no knowledge nor wisdom of this.
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#7  Edited By Rudyftw

All our actions have a reaction. If they were planned out already, tell me why the F*** I just picked my nose? BECAUSE I CAN!  
 
crap, it's bleeding.

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#8  Edited By Lance Uppercut

If all of our actions are based on choice, but those choices are based on time constraints, I suppose free will is more like slightly cheap will. 

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#9  Edited By cyberninja
@ssejllenrad said:
Ahhh... Philosophy! It's like insanity... Just more nonsensical! :D
QFT
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#11  Edited By Deadcool
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@Deadcool: Destiny isn't a fantasy. It's only a fantasy to a person that has no knowledge nor wisdom of this.

Fastasy is that element that is not shared in my reality, reality is the sum of my perspectives, from my perspective, such things as destiny, god and magic are garbage...  
As you can see my reality is different from yours.
 
My definition of destiny is something that was biased in my life, the one thing that I was biased inmy life was my parents, and then evrybody makes his own destiny, everybody builts his own life, then from my point of view, destiny is not real, some actions in set makes a result, every action creates reaction... 
 
Also, my definition of destiny involves such things as magic or just things that we are unable to stop from certian position... for example, a train, I can't stop the train, but there is a posibility that the train would not come, because an accident or a human mistake, then we all can say that the destiny is built by everyone arround us... 
 
But to continue let me know your concept of destiny...
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#12  Edited By Green Skin

Time isn't really up for debate, it just is.  Free will on the other hand is  a lot trickier.  Free will vs. destiny is unprovable for either side, so why bother, lol.

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#13  Edited By Ebbm

Some scientists actually say there is no such thing as free will. That everything that happens in the universe, including every choice you've ever made could not have happened any other way. 

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#14  Edited By Deadcool
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Free will, is follow your heart, follow my feelings... 
I am picking my nose, because I love to... explain, how is that not free will? 
 
or maybe you could post the source of what are you saying...
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#15  Edited By RoyalDivinity
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Science.
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#16  Edited By Deadcool
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@Deadcool: Science.

So, your concept of destiny is science, for me such concepts are different, chair is not the same as table... 
Could you explain your answer?
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#17  Edited By fesak  Moderator
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@Deadcool: Science.
You should have said magic. Then no explanation is needed.
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#18  Edited By Ebbm
@Deadcool said:
@Ebbm: Free will, is follow your heart, follow my feelings... I am picking my nose, because I love to... explain, how is that not free will?  or maybe you could post the source of what are you saying...
Is Free Will an Illusion?
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#19  Edited By difficlus
@ssejllenrad said:
Ahhh... Philosophy! It's like insanity... Just more nonsensical! :D
QFT 
lol
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#20  Edited By Deadcool

 

 
 

@Ebbm: 

Long before you’re consciously aware of making a decision, your mind has already made it.

...

 

 

LOL!

Well, at least I can say that I already knew that, such things as decisions are not real, we already made the choice, but that doesn't mean that free will doesn't exist...

I eat chocolate, maybe because I needed chocolate the brain  needs glucose to work, but I like it, I love the chocolate, I will not do something that I don't want to do because I don't want, maybe the brain picked the answer befome I say it, but, What is the brain but an entension of myself, the brain would never pick an answer that I don't want to pick... 
But thanks for the source, is indeed interesting...

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#21  Edited By RoyalDivinity
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Magic is a form of science.
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#22  Edited By difficlus
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@fesak: Magic is a form of science.
that has yet to be substantiated. 
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#23  Edited By RoyalDivinity
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Actually, people in the past called magic as science. Regular scientist would consider "supernatural" as a form of science that hasn't exactly been looked fully into.
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#24  Edited By difficlus
@PunkMastaFlex: I remember a novelist using it in a novel that magic was science that man has not understood (like 100 years ago) and since then its a common proverb. 
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#25  Edited By Knightly1

I believe a better choice would've been fate vs free will. Because time exists whether free does or doesn't exist. 
And, we can never be sure whether free will is true or if we're just abiding by rules set by some cosmic entity/deity or the natural forces of the universe.

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#26  Edited By Deadcool
@PunkMastaFlex said:

 Magic is a form of science. 

Actually, people in the past called magic as science. Regular scientist would consider "supernatural" as a form of science that hasn't exactly been looked fully into.


?... 
The old name of the ancient science was alchemy (chemish) and for some, was the first form of science because the Alchemish aplies the scientific method, the science started to being called magic or whichcraft during the oscurantism. 
 
You haven't explained why destiny = science, or could you give me a better definition?
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#27  Edited By tron_bonne

To answer your question yes. Technically, you're will is free no matter what time line you are at. We see time as a linear line to which we can only move forward, but the only time we are capable of making a decision is the present time which kind of makes it feel like we are suspended of our overall free will. However, this is all due to perceptions of the mind and how we encounter our interactions with the spatial dimensions of what we call a reality. Everything has to due with the size our your comprehension as a sentient being and us being human makes us 3rd dimensional beings (interact 3rd dimension) that have a comprehension capacity to understand time (the 4h dimension). The user Lance Bastro, had posted a few videos related to the issue that you are pondering about. Here is the link. It is the 1st video posted on the page, in fact all of the videos are related one way or another because will is basically a collective of consciousness in a body of one huge conscious. So you as you see yourself is actually one of many of yourselves and that the choices that you think you've never made, you actually already have

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#28  Edited By Deadcool
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I am DAMN agree with you... 
 
By the way I like Tron Bone XD
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#29  Edited By Kal'smahboi
@PunkMastaFlex: Wait what do time and free will have to do with each other? <--Legitimate question, not sarcasm.
 
Also, I'm sick of people misusing the word science. And magic is not science. If a "magic" is found to be scientific, then it was mislabeled to begin with.
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#30  Edited By Deadcool
@Kal'smahboi said:

Wait what do time and free will have to do with each other?

That is what I asked to myself when I posted my first comment,
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#31  Edited By tron_bonne

To answer your question yes. Technically, your will is free no matter what time line you are at. We see time as a linear line to which we can only move forward, but the only time we are capable of making a decision is the present time which kind of makes it feel like we are suspended of our overall free will. However, this is all due to perceptions of the mind and how we encounter our interactions with the spatial dimensions of what we call a reality. Everything has to due with the size our your comprehension as a sentient being and us being human makes us 3rd dimensional beings (interact 3rd dimension) that have a comprehension capacity to understand time (the 4h dimension). The user Lance Bastro, had posted a few videos related to the issue that you are pondering about. Here is the link. It is the 1st video posted on the page, in fact all of the videos are related one way or another because will is basically a collective of consciousness in a body of one huge conscious. So you as you see yourself is actually one of many of yourselves and that the choices that you think you've never made, you actually already have.

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#32  Edited By Kal'smahboi
@Deadcool said:
@Kal'smahboi said:

Wait what do time and free will have to do with each other?

That is what I asked to myself when I posted my first comment,
I curious as to whether there's a philosophy where the two are related. I can't think of one that doesn't involve time travel haha. If there is, I'd like to hear it.
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#33  Edited By ssejllenrad
@PunkMastaFlex said:

@fesak: Magic is a form of science.

You have a point here... Not entirely equivalent but they're kinda the same really....
 
 Proof that MAGIC = SCIENCE!!!! Woooh yeah! I kinda prefer the
 Proof that MAGIC = SCIENCE!!!! Woooh yeah! I kinda prefer the "Magic" though... Nyehehehe! :D
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#34  Edited By Kal'smahboi
@ssejllenrad said:
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@fesak: Magic is a form of science.
You have a point here... Not entirely equivalent but they're kinda the same really....
That's not a point, it's a statement. And an unfounded one, at that.
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#35  Edited By RoyalDivinity
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Yeah this. I'm still unsure to catagorize occult/mystism with science however.
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#36  Edited By ssejllenrad
@Kal'smahboi: You realize I was kidding right? The pics and all?
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#37  Edited By Kal'smahboi
@PunkMastaFlex: I have no reason to think that things like that exist. As soon as something supernatural becomes observable, it reveals itself as nature :P
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#38  Edited By Kal'smahboi
@ssejllenrad: Sorry my sarcasm radar must be off tonight. Didn't really get the pics' purpose haha. That was a close one, I almost unfollowed you ;)
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#39  Edited By ssejllenrad
@Kal'smahboi: We're good mate. Sarcasm is hard to pickup with just plain text. It's CV's fault for not having emotional emoticons! Nyehehe!
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#40  Edited By Deadcool
@Kal'smahboi said:
@Deadcool said:
@Kal'smahboi said:

Wait what do time and free will have to do with each other?

That is what I asked to myself when I posted my first comment,
I curious as to whether there's a philosophy where the two are related. I can't think of one that doesn't involve time travel haha. If there is, I'd like to hear it.

I have been waiting for the answer since my first post, but I think that I got a posibility of relation... 
"To have liberty, we need to lost certian freedom", that I something that I learned a few years ago, an anarchy is not the same as a liberty, my liberty has limit and those limits are in my fellow... 
 
But as I said before what is the relation between time and freedom? 
Maybe for PunkMastaFlex the time is a limit, so we are not free at all... but I don't understand why time is a limit for freedom, free will... 
 
I will post this video anyway... 
  
  
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#41  Edited By RoyalDivinity
@Kal'smahboi said:


                    @PunkMastaFlex: I have no reason to think that things like that exist. As soon as something supernatural becomes observable, it reveals itself as nature :P

                   

               

Yes. I do however. However, I respect why you don't ^^
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#42  Edited By Kal'smahboi
@ssejllenrad: Sweet, man. Glad to know I'm not alone out here.
 
@Deadcool: You are just too trippy, dude. Let's be friends :D
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#43  Edited By Deadcool
@Kal'smahboi
OK! =) 
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#44  Edited By tron_bonne
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@tron_bonne: I am DAMN agree with you...  By the way I like Tron Bone XD
Oh thank you! Do you like my character due to Megaman Legends, Misadventures of tron Bonne or because of Marvel vs Capcom 2 (or 3)? 
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#45  Edited By Kal'smahboi
@PunkMastaFlex said:
@Kal'smahboi said:


                    @PunkMastaFlex: I have no reason to think that things like that exist. As soon as something supernatural becomes observable, it reveals itself as nature :P

                   

               
Yes. I do however. However, I respect why you don't ^^
Honestly, that's just awesome of you.
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#46  Edited By battlexlordx
@rogue_mar1e said:
lolz de ex blood junky, the highschool dropout, mr. comatose; and boby
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#47  Edited By Deadcool
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@Deadcool said:
@tron_bonne: I am DAMN agree with you...  By the way I like Tron Bone XD
Oh thank you! Do you like my character due to Megaman Legends, Misadventures of tron Bonne or because of Marvel vs Capcom 2 (or 3)? 

I played Megaman Legends, but I like her mainly because Marvel vs Capcom 2.
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#48  Edited By tron_bonne
@Deadcool: Ok, her character was more developed in Misadventures and that's when I started liking this character so much. 
 
@Ortsab Ecnal: Coolness :D