There are only two solutions to American ghettos

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#1  Edited By Gjgp27

In the actuality of human existence, there are only two ways to truly change the circumstances encompassing American ghettos, neither of which I believe will be east medicine to take.

1. Stop trying to save the ghetto, save only those who want escape

Ghettos are, to put it bluntly, usually not filled with outstanding citizens, or especially smart ones.

Criminals rule the proverbial roost, while others put themselves in unnecessary financial turmoil by having constant streams of children when they are not even in a position in which to live comfortably in the ghetto by themselves, let alone leave. The only true victims are children and those held hostage in these communities.

There are those who do wish to get out of their squalor, and in all honesty, charity would be best given straight to them, and not to be squandered on whole communities who don't care about their own communities.

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2. Near police state tactics

This would be especially controversial. First, the no snitch policy would be abolished, as people would eventually be polygraphed concerning their knowledge of who committed crimes. Secondly, welfare subsidies would be cut off after the second child if the mother is still having them in the same ratchet conditions. Women, like men, would be fined for a sort of child support, and arrested for continuing to have children that they can not take care of. Family members who aid and abet would also be held as accomplices. To cut down on risk, slut and bum shaming would be heavily incentivized, and public relations would create movements to literally evict parents who have no intentions of raising their children, as opposed to dumping the children on aging parents.

Police would also heavily monitor known gang and drug hot spots, looking for signs of trouble like a vast predatory bird.

High school graduation would also be legally mandated, with guardians of children fined for not doing so.

While these changes would definitely bring about a new reality, they would most definitely be met with heavy opposition. Unfortunately, most of these ideas would never even be considered by liberal controlled society for fear of hurting mere feelings. A damn shame.

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3. Allow good people in the ghetto to have weapons and stop prosecuting people who defend themselves from attackers.

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Yeah.......let's go with option 1. Option 2 is way too extreme. It's not that liberals are scared, this is a violation of people's rights. But I do like heavy police monitoring of gangs and drug hot spots. The ghetto will always exist mane.

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@silkyballfro94: hell you'll get flack from option 1 too. Ppl will say "they no care bout us black folk!"

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@gjgp27 said:

want escape

Ghettos are, to put it bluntly, usually not filled with outstanding citizens, or especially smart ones.

This generalization is pretty insulting.

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@blueecho said:

@gjgp27 said:

want escape

Ghettos are, to put it bluntly, usually not filled with outstanding citizens, or especially smart ones.

This generalization is pretty insulting.

I second that.

In fact, the whole post is rather insulting. Those in the ghetto must either be abandoned or beaten into submission. Pretty nasty stuff.

Give people the ability to defend themselves, end entitlements which breed complacency and bring the black market into the light and I think the bad areas of the ghetto will improve drastically.

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@batwatch: Or just break the cyckle that keeps people poor.

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Wow.

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Heh.

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Completely 100% agree.

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Ok.

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@blueecho:

The question is, how do you break that cycle? I believe it's by empowering the individual and ending dependency.

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@batwatch said:

3. Allow good people in the ghetto to have weapons and stop prosecuting people who defend themselves from attackers.

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#16  Edited By dshipp17

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@batwatch: Or just break the cyckle that keeps people poor.

I agree. While there's some truth to the comments, they're loaded with generalizations and assumptions. While the message is to take the steps to get out of the ghetto, the assumption is that someone from the ghetto who was motivated to leave could actually accomplish it. The ghetto implies largely African American communities and possibly Latino in some cases. The thing the poster is somehow still missing, despite a couple of other threads that got into related topics, is the institutionalized racism built into American culture that is designed to keep African Americans poor and disenfranchised; other minority groups are basically the victims of collateral damage in this exchange between African Americans and Caucasian Americans; but, additionally, the collateral damage also spreads negative stereotypes about African Americans to these other minority groups. This built in institutionalized racism dates back to the founding of the United States, but was adjusted multiple times by the court system to get a form of racial discrimination legalized in response to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, in a very similar vein that the court system was used to legalize slavery in response to the Civil War and Reconstruction Era legislation; basically, slavery became legalized racism, in response to Reconstruction Era legislation, thanks to the courts, and racism became non-verbal, legalized passive discrimination in response to Title VII legislation. African Americans had about 5 years of success, thanks to Reconstruction Era legislation, until court action could quickly steal it away; African Americans than had about 15 years of success, until court action could steal away the employment strides African Americans began to make; as a result, ghettos began to form, African Americans realized that they would face near impenetrable resistance, and became content to live in the ghettos; however, there were those few who still tried to escape the ghetto, face the resistance, and got pushed back into the ghettos. Basically, the activities of African Americans to escape the ghetto was used by the court system as a mechanism to recalibrate institutionalized racism in employment to keep African Americans in the ghetto or limited to certain types of employment, which is the real reason that there are so few African Americans in certain fields such as science and technology. Meanwhile, certain people made it to the legislation that cede the legislator's role to kept a check and balance on judicial decisions, meaning that the Title VII laws were not continually updated in response to court decisions that interpret the civil rights legislation to narrowly limit the protections of the civil rights laws, until passive discrimination was legalized, keeping institutionalized discrimination in place as a barrier against escaping the ghettos.

The tug-a-war has been going on so long that several generations of African Americans have grown accustomed and content with the ghetto lifestyle; the long period of time has formed the cycle that keeps African Americans in ghettos. The length of time to contemplate unfair hopelessness than created resentment in the psyche of African Americans in the ghetto. The resentment than began to take the form that trying to escape the ghetto is acting white, and not cool, as African American don't want to be perceived as acting white. Thus, a large part of the African Americans became accustomed to the criminal lifestyle. African Americans than lost the understanding of Caucasian American warfare against them, leaving it possible for a few African Americans to get the idea that it's possible to escape the ghetto, provided you get your education; in getting your education, you learn to conform with the rules. These few African Americans than run into the calibrated institutionalized racism in certain fields and get knocked back into the ghetto, while a very few make it through in the certain fields that institutionalized racism has relegated African Americans; than African Americans appear to accurately conform with certain stereotypes about African Americans and their intellectual abilities to succeed in certain fields.

Thus, one solution is making drastic adjustments to Title VII to catch up with the courts; such needs to take the form of substantially limiting an employer's ability to hire people based on whimsical reasoning and doing away with most of the reasoning behind hiring someone considered the best qualified; hire people based on being qualified; this way, employers would have to overcome a hurdle to justify hiring someone other than the qualified African American, when the opportunity becomes applicable; one requirement to overcome this burden would require the employer to refrain from listing skills that are not essential for the position being posted (e.g. no more than about 5 skills per posting); another would be limiting the essential skills for the job to that posed by everyone who has the required degree for the position; another requirement would be to explain why a certain requirement(s) for the job that the African American does not share with the other applicant could not be overcome with a bit of on the job training. The legislation would than be related to properly interpreting the employees' burden to establish a case for employment discrimination (e.g. one important thing is to completely repudiate an employer's ability to defeat a case using false statements and information about the employee, making the court's analysis of a case much less mechanized, raising the barrier for employers to overcome in order to defeat the presumption of discrimination (e.g. this barrier is something different from what courts mean by reasonable doubt, preponderance of the evidence, etc., it's more of a technical barrier that adjusts with the facts of a specific case), including animosity as necessarily being apart of race or retaliation discrimination), overcoming summery judgment, pleading in the court, and addressing timeliness matters in filing an administrative claim and judicial lawsuit in such a way that reduces most of the current restrictions imposed by courts; this overhauling the civil rights legislation would have to include overhauling other employment related legislation, including the Civil Service Reform Act and Federal Court Improvement Act; the legislation would make interpreting an employee's burden of proof on appeal more specific and less arbitrary.

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Out of these two, I'll go with option 1 for the humanity.

Theres no easy solution to the ghetto. Its a combination of lack of jobs, education, high poverty, gentrification, media stereotypes lived out in reality and government interference.

The best solution for people wanting to get out of that environment though is to ensure there are good jobs for those people and making sure they have acess to good education.

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Comicvine is becoming a bad neighborhood.

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#19  Edited By Rpgesus

Just wall them off and let them do what they want instead if you can prove you would be a contributing member of society than you can leave

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@dngn4774 said:

Comicvine is becoming a bad neighborhood.

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@dngn4774: This what's wrong with people on here ?

I don't like how you (op) suggest only black people live in the ghetto

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@rpgesus said:

Just wall them off and let them do what they want instead if you can prove you would be a contributing member of society than you can leave

Wow . . . wow

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@dngn4774 said:

Comicvine is becoming a bad neighborhood.

It's just the Off Topic section. Where your IQ goes to die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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@cattlebattle: The Off-Topic Board is really just an annoying way to ask yourself "Where did the last three hours go?"

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@dngn4774 said:

@cattlebattle: The Off-Topic Board is really just an annoying way to ask yourself "Where did the last three hours go?"

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#28  Edited By Saint_Sophie

Make more ghettos so that they ain't lonely.

xoxo, -Saint Sophie

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#29  Edited By Xaos

@gjgp27:

I think you have a too much simplistic view of things. and people in general. Like saying all white people are rich and racist and all blacks people are poor and criminal.

Option 1 is going to fail miserably anyway : How will you guess who really want out, and who doesn't ? How will you organize the whole stuff ? Exams ? Lying detector ? Inquiry ? How will you find work for those people anyway to feed themselves ? With many crisis and no real power on great creator of employement, how can you guarantee even that ?

You seems to ignore that many poor people have many children because they tend to have a solidarity based on blood bond rather than on society, as society as often failed them before.

Option 2 is quite inhumane and not very far sighted, as I said before when people cannot count on the state to support them, they tend to turn to other option like religious radical and mob countersociety. In fact, it's like as if you begged the mafia and islamic fundamentalist to enter in masses in the country. Ready to turn USA like an another Israël ? With bombing every week, military going down in the ghetto and mass killing of civilian ?

And I'm will not begin to speak of the international backlash, where western nation will wonder that finally, China and russia aren't so bad finally.

@blueecho said:

@batwatch: Or just break the cyckle that keeps people poor.

So much this.

Otherwise...

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In the ghetto

On a cold and gray Chicago morning

Another little baby child is born

In the ghetto

In the ghetto

And his mama cries

Because if there's one thing that she don't need

It's another little hungry mouth to feed

In the ghetto

In the ghetto

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What disturbs me about white people is that they don't realize that they were the ones who were employing red-lining practices to trap people of color into these ghettos and projects, and it has been proven that a lot of these drugs outbreaks in those ghettos stem from the Iran-Contra drug trafficking scandal that the CIA played a part.

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Jim Crow would approve of your ideas OP

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Just form task force, arm them to the teeth than inform good people of ghetto they have 48 hours to leave. After that just slaughter everybody in it.

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@rpgesus: Well, white people should stop oppressing people of color if they don't want to be blamed for oppressing people of color.

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@blueecho said:

@gjgp27 said:

want escape

Ghettos are, to put it bluntly, usually not filled with outstanding citizens, or especially smart ones.

This generalization is pretty insulting.

This is not so much a generalization as it is a fact except for the intelligence bit, countries tend to put there antisocial who aren't in prison into the poorer areas.

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#38  Edited By dshipp17

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@nick_hero22: EVERYTHING IS THE WHITE MANS FAULT

In the United States that's largely the case. Why was it necessary to contemplate ending the enslavement of African Americans in the United States? Who introduced the Jim Crow laws in the United States? Why was there a civil rights movement? Do you even know how the Jim Crow laws impacted African Americans?

But I agree, not everything about the persistent existence of African Americans in the ghetto is the white man's fault, but how much more would tensions between the two groups increase if the majority of African Americans in the ghetto did make strides to leave the ghetto? How would efforts to either passively or overtly discriminate against African Americans change, if a large number of them decided to engage in entrepreneurial activities? How is the system adjusted against African Americans who do make strides to better themselves? Are you saying a 100% of African Americans who try to better themselves actually succeed in bettering themselves? Or, do even 60% of African Americans who try to better themselves actually succeed? How does the logic work that African Americans first facing slavery, than facing Jim Crow laws, and than facing passive discrimination equate to them having always leeched off of the United States government system?

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As soon as I read the title i KNEW i would see:

1)People Blaming others for their sad/pathetic life

2) People refusing to hold themselves responsible for their lives

3) A lot of b!tching, complaining and whining

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#41  Edited By SinnTek1

@batwatch said:

3. Allow good people in the ghetto to have weapons and stop prosecuting people who defend themselves from attackers.

Dude you have no idea how hard this hit home... I just got held over 24 hours for firing at someone trying to break in my house. They tried to accuse me of being the robber. lol.

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#42  Edited By dshipp17

@pooty said:

As soon as I read the title i KNEW i would see:

1)People Blaming others for their sad/pathetic life

2) People refusing to hold themselves responsible for their lives

3) A lot of b!tching, complaining and whining

1) Pointing out that African Americans were first enslaved in the United States, had Jim Crow laws implemented to impede Reconstruction Era progress away from the impact of an enslaved existence, and than passive discrimination implemented to impede the Title VII legislation is not blaming others for a sad and pathetic life; it's a simple factual description or observation explaining the actual circumstances. 2) Same as above; African Americans didn't need to hold themselves responsible for the policy changes Caucasian Americans implemented to impede their progress out of enslavement; they have to rightfully hold Caucasian Americans responsible for their actions and decisions. 3) These items are usually necessary to affect any type of change; African Americans don't need to accept being relegated to a permanent underclass with no end in sight; and/or than African Americans don't need accept being labeled or thought of through the lens of negative stereotypes blaming them for their circumstances for being the victims of circumstances perpetrated by others.

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@dshipp17: That's white privilege for yah, its not their fault they set others to fail. Go institutional racism!!!

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No man, distribute the wealth, get rid of capitalism

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@dshipp17: Millions of white people are poor. Millions of white people are on welfare. Millions of white people live in ghettos aka trailer park trash. They blame the system too. and they are right. just like you are right. the system is set up to make the VAST Majority of people fail REGARDLESS of color.

@dshipp17: That's white privilege for yah, its not their fault they set others to fail. Go institutional racism!!!

If you KNOW someone wants you to fail and you STILL fail. you never deserved to succeed

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No man, distribute the wealth, get rid of capitalism

nuff said

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@pooty said:

@dshipp17: Millions of white people are poor. Millions of white people are on welfare. Millions of white people live in ghettos aka trailer park trash. They blame the system too. and they are right. just like you are right. the system is set up to make the VAST Majority of people fail REGARDLESS of color.

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@dshipp17: That's white privilege for yah, its not their fault they set others to fail. Go institutional racism!!!

If you KNOW someone wants you to fail and you STILL fail. you never deserved to succeed

The reasons for millions of white people being poor is very different from the reasons that millions of African Americans are poor; African Americans are being affected by two systems: the one your refer to and institutionalized racism; fixing institutionalized racism is an unresolved issued that needs resolving; those whites aren't being hindered by negative stereotypes either. Because there are poor whites has nothing to do with taking further efforts to discuss and eradicate social injustice.

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FIX THE MOTHER F***ING SCHOOLS

Did you know the government decides how many prisons to build based on 3rd grade reading scores? It's disgusting. Schools, as they stand right now, don't give a sh*t about students. Sure, some of the staff might, but the institution as a whole doesn't.

If you can fix the schools you can fix the country.