I love mythology, Greek especially.
The Mythology Thread
@superstay said:
mmmm Norse and Greek fan huh?
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I like alot of the Greek myths like the Minotaur and Medusa and the Titans,great storytelling right there.
@superstay said:
@mrdecepticonleader:
I'll take that as a yes
Ok first question...
Could Kratos's story (God of War series) happen in real Greek mythology
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Um I suppose so due to it being set in that era.
I am not familiar with the game so that is a guess
@Jonny_Anonymous said:
@superstay: Both Norse (Asatru) and Celtic (Druidism) are real world religions that are worshipped just as seriously as Christianity or Judaism.
But what of the others?
@superstay said:
@mrdecepticonleader:
Answer
No it could not because he wouldn't be able to kill any of the gods
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next question....
What is Hera to Zues
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His wife and sister.
Yes they are@Jonny_Anonymous:
I know they were believers of those mythologies but they're not worshipped anymore
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ASATRU (Norse Heathenism)
Celtic Druidism
The deities, ancestors and legends are still seen as real and worshipped as such.@Jonny_Anonymous:
Well you see, they revived the religion part of those mythologies but the site says its separated from the ancient world mythologies.
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@superstay said:
@mrdecepticonleader:
Oh you're good
Ok why did people lay cones on the eyes of the dead in greece
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This is a complete guess but were they worried they would get turned to stone or something like that.
@mrdecepticonleader said:
@superstay said:
@mrdecepticonleader:
Oh you're good
Ok why did people lay cones on the eyes of the dead in greece
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This is a complete guess but were they worried they would get turned to stone or something like that.
I am assuming you meant coins not cones. They placed them there so that they could pay the ferryman Charon for passage across the river Styx into the Underworld.
@kuonphobos said:
@mrdecepticonleader said:
@superstay said:
@mrdecepticonleader:
Oh you're good
Ok why did people lay cones on the eyes of the dead in greece
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This is a complete guess but were they worried they would get turned to stone or something like that.
I am assuming you meant coins not cones. They placed them there so that they could pay the ferryman Charon for passage across the river Styx into the Underworld.
Oh right I have heard about that.
@Nelomaxwell said:
So is this the Mythology thread or the Eurocentric Mythology thread? Just asking.
Pretty sure you can discuss any mythology here, people just bring up the European stuff because it's the most well known.
@Nelomaxwell said:
So is this the Mythology thread or the Eurocentric Mythology thread? Just asking.
Whatever you want it to be. Please by all means educate us.
I shall. I give you my ancestral religion Knonw as Sateria/ Candomblé/Vodoun and Palo In the west.
IFA
The Yoruba belief in Orisha is meant to consolidate not contradict the terms of Olódùmarè. Adherents of the religion appeal to specific manifestations of Olódùmarè in the form of those whose fame will last for all time. Ancestors and culture-heroes held in reverence can also be enlisted for help with day-to-day problems. Some believers will also consult a geomantic divination specialist, known as a babalawo (Ifa Priest) or Iyanifa (Ifa's lady), to mediate in their problems. Ifa divination, an important part of Yoruba life, is the process through which an adept (or even a lay person skilled in oracular affairs) attempts to determine the wishes of God and His Servants
Because I am interested in ALL mythologies I desire to water this nascent little bloom....
@Nelomaxwell: Have you ever broken down the underlying African deities within the Catholic icons of Haiti and other locations where there is an African - Catholic syncretism such as Cuba and Brasil?
Very interesting to me how the African "slaves" were able to maintian their religious expression in such a subversive way right under the nose of their Catholic "masters".
Their is a very similar phenomena in the Philippines which is called Christo-paganism. Older Filipino traditions disguised as various Catholic saints.
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I think perhaps the problem of European ethnocentrism within the field of mythology lies with the 19th Century mythologists who were very keen to posit an evolutions of religions paradigm. They (in retrospect) demonstrated somewhat of racist dimension in their theories that primitive cultures (which were identified as African and Asian "animism") eventuall evolved into the more systematic Western pantheons.
Total rubbish IMO.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ptSINSgylEIC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
I've realized Ifa and Quantum Physics go hand in hand. read this book on Google books and let me know what you think.
@Nelomaxwell: Link didn't quite manifest. What's the title?
Sounds similar to Fritjof Capra's The Tao of Physics and Gary Zukav's Dance of the Wu Li Masters.
Both books are actually referenced in this one@Nelomaxwell: Link didn't quite manifest. What's the title?
Sounds similar to Fritjof Capra's The Tao of Physics and Gary Zukav's Dance of the Wu Li Masters.
Along with Maya Deren's Divine Horsemen
http://www.amazon.com/Voudou-Quantum-Leap-Alternative-Realities/dp/1567181732
@Nelomaxwell said:
@kuonphobos said:Both books are actually referenced in this one@Nelomaxwell: Link didn't quite manifest. What's the title?
Sounds similar to Fritjof Capra's The Tao of Physics and Gary Zukav's Dance of the Wu Li Masters.
Along with Maya Deren's Divine Horsemen http://www.amazon.com/Voudou-Quantum-Leap-Alternative-Realities/dp/1567181732
Very, very cool! Thanks.
I have always found this gentleman to be quite awesome. Stylistically and character wise. I leave him unnamed to spur on further exploration for anyone who might care.
Very influential in comics as well. Particularly in the character of Papa Midnight who seems to be somewhat influenced stylistically.
@superstay@mrdecepticonleader Oh, come on now, guys. Don't ask basic stuff like "what relation does Hera have to Zeus". They're two of the central-most gods in Greek mythology.
@superstay said:
Could Kratos's story (God of War series) happen in real Greek mythology
Well, Kratos in the game is a non-existent spartan. In Greek mythology, Kratos is the personification of strength, the son of Pallas and Styx, and he (along with his siblings Bia, Nike and Zelus) are enforcers of Zeus only, and have no feats, so they can't replicate what they did in GoW. Not to mention Kratos needed the power of Hope (which is supposed to transcend any god in GoW), while the gods were infected by the evils of Pandora's Box. Hope and the other evil spirits are far below the gods in Greek mythology. And the Blade of Olympus is a non-existent weapon.
@ShootingNova said:
@superstay@mrdecepticonleader Oh, come on now, guys. Don't ask basic stuff like "what relation does Hera have to Zeus". They're two of the central-most gods in Greek mythology.
Have you got any good questions then?
You can lose yourself in mythology. If anything, I think there are close ties with a person's interest in mythology and affection for comics.
I think I shall sprinkle some Inuit into the mix. My Top Five:
SEQINEK - The Inuit sun goddess. The sun was her blazing torch, which she carried aloft as she ran across the sky. At night she would retire to the dwelling she shared with her brother, the moon god Tatqim, though the two were never in the dwelling at the same time. That dwelling was in Udlormiut, the realm of the supercelestial afterlife. In some versions, however, Tatqim lives in a house in the west and Seqinek in a house in the east. At one time the sun goddess had a secret lover sneaking in to have sex with her nightly. When she at last realized it was her brother Tatqim she fled from his advances and he pursued her. Seqinek bore the sun as her torch in her flight but her brother’s torch was partially blown out as he pursued her and that is why the moon is less bright and hot than the sun. Tatqim continues his pursuit of his sister on a daily basis. Their occassional couplings are eclipses.
NUNAM - The Earth goddess of the Inuit pantheon, in some traditions considered the wife of the god Sila. Nunam is often depicted wearing a coat that reaches to her knees and from which hang living miniatures of all land animals (except for caribou in some versions). Those miniatures are considered the free souls (as opposed to breath souls, which are the province of Sila) of those animals, since land animal free souls flow from Nunam. Fur boots and bracelets completed her ensemble.
In some traditions Nunam was also said to be the source of free souls for trees and rocks, which, since they are not animate, did not have a corresponding breath soul. When the world was young, children grew directly from the ground like flowers growing from Nunam’s body. Since Inuit women did not yet have vaginas they obtained babies by going out and picking the ripe ones from the ground. Later, after the moon god Tatqim created women’s vaginas, when the women next went out to “pick babies” the babies instead clung to the women’s ankles and climbed up their legs and into their new vaginas (showroom clean) where they took root and from then on babies emerged from that orifice. (So forget all that superstitious nonsense about sperm fertilizing eggs)
Musk-oxen were said to have hatched from large eggs buried deep within Nunam’s body. At the dawn of time Sila came down from the heavens and had intercourse with Nunam, producing a male called Kallak. Nunam then joined with Kallak, producing a daughter, whom Kallak took as a wife and the two spawned the Inuit people. In some myths Nunam’s brothers are refered to as having been slain by her husband Sila. Nunam brought them back to life but Sila insisted they needed punished for waging war on him so he shrunk them down and they became the Ishigaq, the one meter tall Inuit equivalent of elves.
SILA – The god of the weather and of the animating life-force, frequently manifested as the winds, which were looked on as the “breathing of the world.” For this reason he was also the deity governing the breathing of humanity and animals as well, since breath flows like wind in and out of us all. The life force was said to come from Sila and flow back into Sila after death, and then, through the lesser deities, was eventually sent back into the world via reincarnation. Because singing, humming and tale-spinning are also done with the breath Sila was also seen as the god of songs, tales, music and other creative inspiration.
In addition it was through him that shamans ultimately derived their powers. Intuitive warnings, especially on the part of children, were said to be the whisperings of Sila. The nagging of one’s conscience was also attributed to Sila. This god was said to be always with us but always far away. In some tradiotions it is said Sila sculpted the first humans from wet sand and breathed life into them. Bad weather like wind, blizzards, etc was caused by Sila punishing humanity for violating taboos and the god would inflict disease on anyone guilty of mistreating game animals. If someone suffering from disease was appealing to Sila to heal them they would need to abandon all their earthly possessions and go off in solitude. Once possessed of nothing but their “breath soul” Sila would consider healing them.
Breath souls and the animating life force came from Sila, free souls from the goddesses Nunam, Pukimna and Sedna. In some traditions the way Sila creates snow is by whittling walrus tusks with the shavings falling as snowflakes. The rare times Sila was depicted he was clean-shaven but with long flowing hair. standing with his coat open to display his bare chest, a sign of his imperviousness to the elements he commanded.
TATQIM – The moon god. The moon is his partially burned out torch that he carries to light his way as he perpetually and lecherously chases his sister, the sun goddess Seqinek, whose fully lit torch is, of course, the sun. In addition Tatqim plays a very significant role in the Inuit cycle of reincarnation. When the human and animal souls in the supercelestial afterlife called Udlormiut are ready to be reincarnated, the goddess Tapasuma instructs the moon god to transport them to Earth, further instructing him what type of life form each soul should be reborn as.
Tatqim takes these souls to Earth in his divine dogsled pulled by four huge dogs (or just one REALLY huge dog in some versions) and does this on the moonless nights each month. This task he performs at Tapasuma’s command accounts for the moon’s absence from the sky on such nights. Tatqim’s control of the tides was crucial for the coastal Inuit because without ebb tides they could not gather the seaweed from where the tides had retreated, seaweed being an essential food item in the far north, where other forms of vegetable life are often very scarce.
The tale of the moon god’s creation of vaginas and anuses goes as follows: long ago animals did not have either orifice, so the disemboweling goddess Ululijarnaq used to take her ulo knife and carve babies and waste matter out of people’s insides as needed. (Sort of like the Tooth Fairy but with a lot more disemboweling) Seeing how inefficient that was, Tatqim took his hunting knife and cut vaginas into all female life forms and anuses into all living things.
Women continue to bleed for a time from this wound monthly to this very day. This association with the vagina is how the moon god first attained his reincarnation duties, since the vagina is the portal through which animal life enters the world. The disemboweling goddess was reassigned to her current role guarding the approach to the supercelestial afterlife. Barren women would pray to the moon god for children. When you add Tatqim’s role as the god of hunting he certainly seems to occupy a more significant place in Inuit myths than many other lunar deities from around the world do in their pantheons.
SEDNA – The sea goddess and the most celebrated deity in the Inuit pantheon. Even mythology books that cover no other figures from Inuit myths will usually have an entry on her. She was the daughter of the god and goddess Anguta and Isarrataitsoq and, like countless female figures in Inuit myths, she refused all prospective husbands. Sedna instead had sexual relations with dogs and the “freakish” offspring of these unions were said to be white people and Native American tribes that the Inuit were often at war with.
A ghoulish twist to the story is how Sedna took to using her parents as food (a recurring theme in Inuit myths because of the scarcity of food in the frozen north at times and how instances of cannibalism during such famines were much-discussed). Sedna devoured both of her mother Isarrataitsoq’s arms and had finished eating one of her father’s arms before he was able to subdue her and take her out to sea in his canoe, intent on banishing her to the sea. Continuing to struggle, Sedna clutched the sides of the canoe as her father tried to submerge her, prompting him to take his long knife and cut off her fingers.
Since, to the Inuit, loss or mutilation of the hands was often seen as a horrific transformation into something new, the myth states that Sedna now embraced her fate, transforming her now-fingerless hands into flippers and transforming her severed digits into the various species of sea animals. When the one-armed Anguta returned to shore, where his still-armless wife awaited, Sedna, now fully realized as the sea goddess, caused a massive wave to wash over her parents, dragging them down to her new home to serve in her subaquatic court.
This subsea realm is called Adlivun, and it is also the place where the souls of the coastal Inuit and the game animals they thrive on go after death to be eventually reincarnated (similar to how the souls of the Inuit from the interior and the souls of their game animals go to the supercelestial afterlife called Udlormiut when they die and are reincarnated, though the moon god does not seem to play a role in the rebirth of souls from Adlivun). Sedna’s home in the deep is said to be constructed of a whalebone frame with walls made of all the clothing of people who have drowned at sea and furnishings fashioned from their bones and sunken ships.
The sea goddess’ father Anguta oversees the punishment of dead souls for taboos they violated in life, eventually purging them from the taint of their wrongdoing. After that the souls are free to dwell with the other deceased spirits until they are ready to be reincarnated. Sedna retained her preference for bestiality, taking the giant sea-scorpion god Kanajuk as a husband, a spouse she shares with her armless mother. The god Kataum guards the entranceway to Sedna’s undersea dwelling and also keeps an eye on taboos being violated by the coastal Inuit.
The god Sila uses Sedna to enforce the taboos (as he uses the goddess Pukimna to enforce the taboos for the Inuit of the interior), and, to counteract Sedna’s recalcitrant nature, does this by causing the breaking of taboos to manifest as knots and filth in Sedna’s hair. When the sea goddess’ hair becomes so polluted that she can no longer stand it she orders the godling-child Unga to act as a shepherd and round up all the game animals of the sea. This causes a scarcity of game for the coastal Inuit, a problem resolved only by a shaman traveling to Adlivun in their astral body to comb the knots and filth from Sedna’s hair, thus appeasing her. (She cannot comb her hair herself because she has flippers, not hands)
@lykopis said:
You can lose yourself in mythology. If anything, I think there are close ties with a person's interest in mythology and affection for comics.
See, I wish I followed this, I love mythology, well..used to and you know Thor is my fave comic person ever. but now mythology bores me xD
@lykopis said:
You can lose yourself in mythology. If anything, I think there are close ties with a person's interest in mythology and affection for comics.
(She cannot comb her hair herself because she has flippers, not hands)
True
and I cant comb myself with my paws, I know what she's going through.
@Nelomaxwell: Yeah any mythology can be spoke of in here, we just got to greek myth first because most people know of it.
@ShootingNova: Yeah, I'm feeding him easy questions because he doesn't know much about mythology
And I was speaking on the Ghost of Sparta, if he was in real ancient greece would he kill the gods like he did in the game. Most likely Ares would have killed him and sent him to Hades's door before he could gain enough power to test the gods.
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@Pyrogram: You should plan on visiting places around the world that celebrate different mythologies. It won't be boring, trust me.
@Fuchsia_Nightingale said:
@lykopis said:
You can lose yourself in mythology. If anything, I think there are close ties with a person's interest in mythology and affection for comics.
(She cannot comb her hair herself because she has flippers, not hands)True
and I cant comb myself with my paws, I know what she's going through.
LOL --- but that's my job. So you are good. <3
You can lose yourself in mythology. If anything, I think there are close ties with a person's interest in mythology and affection for comics.
(She cannot comb her hair herself because she has flippers, not hands)
"True. and I cant comb myself with my paws, I know what she's going through."
I know what you mean. I had to glue felt to the bottom of my hooves; the incessant clicking on the kitchen floor was irksome.
@superstay said:
@mrdecepticonleader: Ok well here's some more questions
1) What is the "Tartarus" and who's in it
2) How are Atlas and Prometheus punished
3) What did Oydessus do in Troy
4) Who is Prometheus's twin
5) Which god got thrown off Mt.Olympus
*Plays Jeopardy Music
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Sorry for the late reply I was replying to other posts.
I actually don't think I know any of those I am pretty rusty at mythology I guess.
@superstay said:
@mrdecepticonleader:
Do you want me to tell the answer
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Please :)
It will save me looking up the answers too.
@superstay said:
@mrdecepticonleader: Ok well here's some more questions
1) What is the "Tartarus" and who's in it
2) How are Atlas and Prometheus punished
3) What did Oydessus do in Troy
4) Who is Prometheus's twin
5) Which god got thrown off Mt.Olympus
*Plays Jeopardy Music
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1. Land of the dead / underworld. Hades and Persephone.
2. Atlas is punished by holding the world / sky on his shoulders for eternity. Don't know the second one.
3. Invaded Troy with the Trojan Horse.
4. Epimetheus?
5. Don't know.
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