@pipxeroth said:
@jezer said:
@pipxeroth: No, your opinion is "invalid" because it isn't a matter of opinion, but canon fact verified by an ample amount of psychology studies, which is common knowledge to a)people with a psychology background b) people who have only taken a single general psychology class and c) people with only passing knowledge of anything psychology related. To answer my question.... that's how I know you don't have a psychology background ('-' )
I can post some studies in my next post if you want. But, just to be clear, it's sorta like posting proof to the moonlanding. It's kinda like when B.O.B. said the earth was flat and Neil Tyson Degrasse spent time telling him why it isn't. Having to establish rudimentary knowledge almost makes the discussion not worth having.
You wanna talk about facts? Let's do that
- Psychology was my second choice to study at University, I am extremely interested in it and I've read various studies across various branches of psychology. So sorry bud, you're wrong about me not having a psychology background in the way you define it.
- Still doesn't mean at all I have to believe your stupid conspiracy theory about humanity essentially being brainwashed to believe women are inferior to men. You're saying that we can't consciously adjust our thinking from men>women to men=women, which is absolutely ludicrous. I don't know what types of men you have been around to genuinely believe that.
- All I said was "assholes are going to exist no matter what, it's not some subconscious conditioning conspiracy". This is correct. It doesn't even have anything to do with psychology to be perfectly honest, no matter what you do there are always going to be assholes in this world. That's just a fact of life. Some guys being dicks to women =/= all guys are subconsciously thinking women are inferior. That's like me saying that it's impossible to find a nice christian because they're all subconsciously brainwashed into thinking they should kill everyone who doesn't follow their beliefs. It's a stupid comment, plain and simple.
You come in here acting all smart because by the sounds of it you took psychology as a subject... so what? It shouldn't take a psychologist to figure out when something is as pointless as first world feminism. It's pretty sad if all you have going for your argument is "I took psychology as a subject, I'm smart! Listen to me everyone!"
Please do post some of these apparently "ample" studies, I look forward to reading them. Funny how you call it rudimentary knowledge when you're the first person I've ever heard this crazy conspiracy theory from. This is less like you posting proof for the moon landing and more like you arguing the moon landing was fake.
That's alot of words...its unfortunate you're arguing against a strawman you created that represents "what I said" and have this tendency to put words in my mouth(why I put "invalid" in quotations in my previous post, since I hadn't actually said your post was "invalid"). I once heard that the winner of the debate is the one who defines the terms. Naturally, I'm not going to be pulled into arguing things I did not say. Let's go back to what I actually said:
Jezer said: For the labels to be "normal person" vs "mysognist/misandrist" gender equality would have to be the "normal" point of reference from society. Obviously it wasn't.....and hasn't completely reached that level because subconscious bias still remains in part of people's psyche that is more hidden and built on things that cannot be consciously adjusted"
You said: Women already have equal rights to men in first world countries. Assholes are going to exist no matter what, it's not some . subconscious conditioning conspiracy.
To be clear, this is where you first revealed your hand--that you don't have a psychology background. Its strange that you're now saying you do have a backgrounds... I guess you're not far into your studies yet? I'll admit, this does give an alternative explanation for why you're acting all butthurt at my posts. You read "subconscious bias still remains" and you magically jumped to "subconscious conditioning conspiracy" as if that's what that means. That's an interpretation of what I said that someone who has no experience with psychology would say. This is when you first attempt to define the terms your way---but unfortunately, not only did it make you sound uneducated, but I refuse to bite.
Jezer said: No, your opinion is "invalid" because it isn't a matter of opinion, but canon fact verified by an ample amount of psychology studies...I can post some studies in my next post if you want. But, just to be clear, it's sorta like posting proof to the moonlanding.
To be clear, the "it" I'm referring to is the "subconscious bias" I mentioned in my previous post. At no point have I defined it as referring to a "subconscious conditioning conspiracy".
You said:2) Still doesn't mean at all I have to believe your stupid conspiracy theory about humanity essentially being brainwashed to believe women are inferior to men. You're saying that we can't consciously adjust our thinking from men>women to men=women, which is absolutely ludicrous. I don't know what types of men you have been around to genuinely believe that. 3) All I said was "assholes are going to exist no matter what, it's not some subconscious conditioning conspiracy". This is correct. It doesn't even have anything to do with psychology to be perfectly honest, no matter what you do there are always going to be assholes in this world. That's just a fact of life.
Responding to 2) Actually, if you read my response, I never said that "subconscious conditioning" signifies humanity being brainwashed into believing women are inferior to men. The fact that you use such silly terms as brainwashing shows how little you know in your attempt to converse on this topic. Its common knowledge that there's a whole lot going on in our subconscious mind that cannot be consciously changed, and this forms our biases. The origin of some of it is evolutionary, in fear and the Amygdala. Our body associated certain things like a lion/their growl with fear, because it didn't want to waste time coming to that conclusion consciously when we could be running away. Snakes probably because they are poisonous. Emotion also has a less complicated path way through the brain, compared with higher cognition, so the fear reactions precedes the conscious realization that this is something that should be feared.
That's just one obvious example of "subconscious bias" that has nothing to do with brainwashing. It occurs additionally when our bodies make associations between different things, naturally. I'm pretty sure its a mental heuristic for our brain that enables us to navigate the world easier and quicker. We recognize a chair as a chair because we have a master schema/idea of what constitutes a chair, and anything that resembles that master image close enough is quickly identified as a chair for cognitive ease. Schemas are the source of stereotypes. The same reason you recognize a chair as a chair is the same reason when why when most people first read this riddle, including me, it trips them up: "a father and son are in a horrible car crash that kills the dad. The son is rushed to the hospital; just as he’s about to go under the knife, the surgeon says'“I can’t operate—that boy is my son!"(Google this riddle to see studies related to it) Because we have a mental schema for a doctor or surgeon, and that schema isn't them as a female. How do we develope that schema? Likely from the images we see of doctors and surgeons, as well as our own personal experience and other intersecting schemas about men and women. Those come from society. But, not from "brainwashing", simply from the totality of information we're presented--what people say around us, what we see, etc..
All of these mental processes, fear and the amygdala, ec. are all canon facts and rudimentary knowledge, honestly. So is the Implicit Association Test: https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/education.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit-association_test
Here's info about a study that shows when two different halves of the same law firm are given the same writing sample(with a defined amount of grammatical and writing errors), but one side is told the writer was black while another was told the writer was white, the comments and scoring are night and day: http://abovethelaw.com/2014/04/proof-that-typos-are-racist/
Here's info concerning studies that show subconscious(and possibly conscious) bias against females when it comes to teacher evaluations: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/12/10/study-finds-gender-perception-affects-evaluations
There's a plethora of information about subconscious(implicit) bias. The fact that I have to present them to you, after you claim you have some sort of educational connection to Psychology, is almost laziness on your part. Psychology not only teaches you these things, but also basic research.....
Responding to 3) I actually never disputed your "assholes exist everywhere" statement, I've been only disputing your "subconscious conspiracy theory" opinion. To be honest, as you yourself admit, your statement is a "duh" statement. Like, yes man did land on the moon. The sky is blue. Making obvious statements is not really a contribution to the discussion in any sense of the word. I'm confused as to why you think I'd be disputing it instead of my eyes glazing over after reading you wasting the time to say it.......
Responding to your bottom two paragraphs: Here's another example of you creating a strawman. I don't think I've actually defended "first world feminism" specifically with psychology; the post you originally responded to was not a defense of first world feminism. For the record, the reason I sound "smart", is not because I got my bachelors in Psychology, but simply because I am smarter than you. ('-' ) After having spent years on comicvine, I can tell you that the comicbook crowd, at least the one that congregates on this forum, is not particularly intelligent.No offense Comicvine....
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