Depends on the individual. If you watch Marcus Davis vs Jason Tan, you have the Boxer actually winning and knocking the BJJ/Muay Thai fighter out, however Davis was largely the better fighter.
For what it's worth, the fighters below would give the toughest challenge to Muay Thai fighters/any fighters (these are all Heavyweights too).
Either of the Klitschko brothers (as both were professional Kick Boxers before turning Boxers)
Lennox Lewis (1999-02)
Peak Muhammad Ali (1965-67)
Peak Mike Tyson (1986-88)
Sonny Liston (59-62)
George Foreman (1973-4, 1994-5)
But, as I said - individuals matter, not the martial-art itself.
Neither is speed or pure knockout power - top fighters, such as Muhammad Ali clocked faster than a Welterweight of 147lbs, and Ali was 205-210lbs in his prime. He exactly threw and landed 11 punches in 3 seconds. Mike Tyson, knocked someone out in 8 seconds as a teenager/pre-adult at a Junior Olympic level.
Whereas Sonny Liston, had an insanely long reach of 84 inches and his jab had the equivalent of a Left-Hook.
It depends on the individual. A top, world-class Muay-Thai fighter would pose a threat to the best Boxers, not the lower level Muay-Thai fighters.
This is a match up that actually depends on the fighter. Not how skilled he is, but his way of fighting, tendencies, game plan, etc. people will say that Muay Thai automatically beats boxing because of low kicks, but it's just situational. If you got someone like pacquiao who's just so explosive and in your face, it's kinda hard to throw low kicks. I'd say the Nak Muay wins 6/10.
This is a match up that actually depends on the fighter. Not how skilled he is, but his way of fighting, tendencies, game plan, etc. people will say that Muay Thai automatically beats boxing because of low kicks, but it's just situational. If you got someone like pacquiao who's just so explosive and in your face, it's kinda hard to throw low kicks. I'd say the Nak Muay wins 6/10.
Can you cite a Muay-Thai fighter to base your argument on?
I think muay thai fighting style counter's boxing fighting style, maybe because of the leg use/applications. Anyway i feel a muay thai fighter is above a boxer in the same relative level and fighters play about 60% in the victory.
I think muay thai fighting style counter's boxing fighting style, maybe because of the leg use/applications. Anyway i feel a muay thai fighter is above a boxer in the same relative level and fighters play about 60% in the victory.
It depends on the fighter. A fighter with insane footwork, like Muhammad Ali or Willie Pep could avoid the kicks of a Muay-Thai fighter.
Whereas an explosive fighter like Mike Tyson, could unleash nasty combinations as a counter-measure.
And the Klitschko brothers, impose their massive size and can also kick-box.
@frozen: I don't understand your question. You're asking me if I know Muay Thai kick boxers? I was citing from experience. Lol. But I'll cite baukaw and dekkers.
@frozen: you don't avoid leg kicks by just having good footwork. Moving backwards is probably the worst thing you can do against a low kick. You either check it, move forward, or counter. Tyson would have a much better chance against a Thai boxer than Ali would cause he's more aggressive.
@frozen: you don't avoid leg kicks by just having good footwork. Moving backwards is probably the worst thing you can do against a low kick. You either check it, move forward, or counter. Tyson would have a much better chance against a Thai boxer than Ali would cause he's more aggressive.
Marcus Davis did exactly that. He avoided low leg kicks by using his foot-work to move away. His reactions were fast enough. The video does not represent every encounter but Muhammad Ali is a staple because of immense footwork, speed and reaction: a prime Muhammad Ali could feasibly accomplish it.
Mike Tyson's style works differently. He'd probably do better against a Muay-Thai fighter yet lose to Ali.
@frozen: well i have no debate for muay-thai fighters but based on what i heard and have seen they kinda cancell out boxers(boxers are faster than them and have faster thrust speed but i THINK a thai fighter has better destructive cap and footwork than a boxer)
Weight class determines it. Muay Thai has an advantage in skill but if the boxer has more reach and heavier punches its a mismatch. If both opponents weigh the same Muay Thai stomps.
A lot of muay thai fighters don't move very much, they use their reach to breakdown their opponents that came straight in, I bet if you have a boxer that moves a lot, the boxer would win.
Depends on the individual. If you watch Marcus Davis vs Jason Tan, you have the Boxer actually winning and knocking the BJJ/Muay Thai fighter out, however Davis was largely the better fighter.
For what it's worth, the fighters below would give the toughest challenge to Muay Thai fighters/any fighters (these are all Heavyweights too).
Either of the Klitschko brothers (as both were professional Kick Boxers before turning Boxers)
Lennox Lewis (1999-02)
Peak Muhammad Ali (1965-67)
Peak Mike Tyson (1986-88)
Sonny Liston (59-62)
George Foreman (1973-4, 1994-5)
But, as I said - individuals matter, not the martial-art itself.
I am curious why you only included Heavyweights as the toughest opponents to Muay Thai fighters... cause personally I think Sugar Ray Leonard or even Manny Pacquiao would be just as tough of opponents for Muay Thai fighters in their respected weight classes...
Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Buakaw would be fun to watch...
@king_saturn: The Heavyweights I suppose would be better against heavier Muay-Thai fighters. But I agree there are Boxers in lower weight-classes, Sugar Ray Leonard and Manny Pacquiao are both very fast.
Roberto Duran would also be an ideal fighter in a hypothetical match-up; as would Aaron Pryor.
That would be an interesting match indeed; especially if we compare a younger and lighter Mayweather with Buakaw at his lightest. Gennday Golovkin would be an interesting match too.
@king_saturn: The Heavyweights I suppose would be better against heavier Muay-Thai fighters. But I agree there are Boxers in lower weight-classes, Sugar Ray Leonard and Manny Pacquiao are both very fast.
Roberto Duran would also be an ideal fighter in a hypothetical match-up; as would Aaron Pryor.
That would be an interesting match indeed; especially if we compare a younger and lighter Mayweather with Buakaw at his lightest. Gennday Golovkin would be an interesting match too.
Oh I get that... I was just wondering why you only included the Heavyweights.
Now Gennady Golovkin would be an interesting fight for a Muay Thai Striker... GGG vs Giorgio Petrosyan would be something to see...
@king_saturn: The Heavyweights I suppose would be better against heavier Muay-Thai fighters. But I agree there are Boxers in lower weight-classes, Sugar Ray Leonard and Manny Pacquiao are both very fast.
Roberto Duran would also be an ideal fighter in a hypothetical match-up; as would Aaron Pryor.
That would be an interesting match indeed; especially if we compare a younger and lighter Mayweather with Buakaw at his lightest. Gennday Golovkin would be an interesting match too.
Oh I get that... I was just wondering why you only included the Heavyweights.
Now Gennady Golovkin would be an interesting fight for a Muay Thai Striker... GGG vs Giorgio Petrosyan would be something to see...
I've always felt that he Giorgio would tool most boxer.
Assuming all physical characteristics are close to equal (e.g. both fight in the same weight class) the Muay Thai fighter has the advantage.
Low kicks are kryptonite to a boxer, takes away their main advantage which is mobility, takes away their ability to slip, takes away the power from their punches.
Depends on the martial artist, not the martial art. Plenty of styles have differences and some are more versatile than others. But versatility =/= superiority, sometimes it just gives you more tools to delay the inevitable
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