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#1 Edited by MightyWarrior (100 posts) - - Show Bio

This thread is for Agnostics, too. 

#2 Posted by Glitch_Spawn (17132 posts) - - Show Bio

Bull pucky

#3 Posted by King Saturn (225186 posts) - - Show Bio
in the words of Thanos....  
"Interesting"
#4 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (35159 posts) - - Show Bio

or lack there of...

#5 Posted by MightyWarrior (100 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jonny_Anonymous Or that.
 
@King Saturn
: Was that when Thanos got impaled by Drax?
#6 Posted by Glitch_Spawn (17132 posts) - - Show Bio

@MightyWarrior said:

Agnostics and Atheists let us come together and share our beliefs.

#7 Posted by MightyWarrior (100 posts) - - Show Bio
@Glitch_Spawn: It was a mistake.
#8 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

Sounds like a short conversation:

"What do you believe in?"

"Nothing."

"Okay"

#9 Posted by MightyWarrior (100 posts) - - Show Bio

Not, really. We can talk about SCIENCE. 

#10 Posted by King Saturn (225186 posts) - - Show Bio
@MightyWarrior said:
@Jonny_Anonymous Or that.
 
@King Saturn
: Was that when Thanos got impaled by Drax?
yes
#11 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (35159 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Saturn said:
@MightyWarrior said:
@Jonny_Anonymous Or that.
 
@King Saturn
: Was that when Thanos got impaled by Drax?
yes
#12 Posted by MightyWarrior (100 posts) - - Show Bio

So, I was correct. Well, back on topic.  
  
I never understood why Christians think that asking GOD to bless their food will protect them from sickness. We all know that blessings are delusions. 

#13 Posted by KnightRise (4762 posts) - - Show Bio

Neither of those concepts equal science. A "the science thread" would've been better for the intention assumed to the OP

#14 Edited by fica990 (13 posts) - - Show Bio

lol, my favorites

#15 Posted by bob808 (6785 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Posted by Kal'smahboi (3567 posts) - - Show Bio
@Glitch_Spawn said:

@MightyWarrior said:

Agnostics and Atheists let us come together and share our beliefs.

...they're still beliefs.
#17 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20446 posts) - - Show Bio

@fica990 said:

lol, my favorites

LOL

Need more memes now.

#18 Posted by King Saturn (225186 posts) - - Show Bio
@KnightRise said:

Neither of those concepts equal science. A "the science thread" would've been better for the intention assumed to the OP

but you can tell from the intent of the OP he wants to utilize non-belief and science in the discussion... not just science. 
#19 Posted by SandMan_ (4528 posts) - - Show Bio
@bob808 said:
lol
#20 Posted by fica990 (13 posts) - - Show Bio
#21 Posted by satyrgod (2115 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't this just a thread for christians to come and bash the atheists?

#22 Posted by MightyWarrior (100 posts) - - Show Bio

No, I won't tolerate that. 

#23 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18737 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Posted by AssertingValor (5470 posts) - - Show Bio

Where is the " I'm a Pagan" thread?

#25 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18737 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordMaverick said:

Where is the " I'm a Pagan" thread?

You could always start one

#26 Posted by AssertingValor (5470 posts) - - Show Bio

"Snickers"

#27 Posted by _Hawk_ (2058 posts) - - Show Bio

Does this mean that there will be no more Atheist in the Religion thread?

#28 Posted by kuonphobos (4930 posts) - - Show Bio

@_Hawk_ said:

Does this mean that there will be no more Atheist in the Religion thread?

heh heh

#29 Edited by mrdecepticonleader (18737 posts) - - Show Bio

@kuonphobos said:

@_Hawk_ said:

Does this mean that there will be no more Atheist in the Religion thread?

heh heh

If that is the case then it also means there will be no more theists in the religion thread either.

#30 Posted by kuonphobos (4930 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@kuonphobos said:

@_Hawk_ said:

Does this mean that there will be no more Atheist in the Religion thread?

heh heh

If that is the case then it also means there will be no more theists in the religion thread either.

It will become as quiet as a sanctuary.

#31 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18737 posts) - - Show Bio

@kuonphobos said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@kuonphobos said:

@_Hawk_ said:

Does this mean that there will be no more Atheist in the Religion thread?

heh heh

If that is the case then it also means there will be no more theists in the religion thread either.

It will become as quiet as a sanctuary.

I always considered that thread to be used to discuss/debate religion and topics related to it.The atheist and theist threads I presume are for people who fall into those categories.

#32 Posted by kuonphobos (4930 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@kuonphobos said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@kuonphobos said:

@_Hawk_ said:

Does this mean that there will be no more Atheist in the Religion thread?

heh heh

If that is the case then it also means there will be no more theists in the religion thread either.

It will become as quiet as a sanctuary.

I always considered that thread to be used to discuss/debate religion and topics related to it.The atheist and theist threads I presume are for people who fall into those categories.

IDK. As I have tried to demonstrate on the religion thread we all operate from different views of reality. When you get down to the fundamentals, religion is moot. To me religion means all the variant structures which have grown up from ever so many doctrines and dogmas, etc. At the core the fundamental difference between an atheist and a theist is the belief in the possibility of anything that goes beyond a materialist/empirical view of reality.

So in theory the religion thread should be discussion (for example) between a Hindu and a Muslim or between various people's understandings of those religions. But as you well know it becomes a running debate between science and supernatural. So I think a thread like this (or the theist or apatheist etc) will become preaching to the choir (so to speak) if no one of a differing opinion participates. The theist thread will ideally have theists patting themselves on the back and they will get bored. Opposing views will come along and take pot shots and all will basically devolve into the religion thread.

Just my two pennies worth of pseudointellectual smuggity.....

FTW!

#33 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18737 posts) - - Show Bio

@kuonphobos said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@kuonphobos said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@kuonphobos said:

@_Hawk_ said:

Does this mean that there will be no more Atheist in the Religion thread?

heh heh

If that is the case then it also means there will be no more theists in the religion thread either.

It will become as quiet as a sanctuary.

I always considered that thread to be used to discuss/debate religion and topics related to it.The atheist and theist threads I presume are for people who fall into those categories.

IDK. As I have tried to demonstrate on the religion thread we all operate from different views of reality. When you get down to the fundamentals, religion is moot. To me religion means all the variant structures which have grown up from ever so many doctrines and dogmas, etc. At the core the fundamental difference between an atheist and a theist is the belief in the possibility of anything that goes beyond a materialist/empirical view of reality.

So in theory the religion thread should be discussion (for example) between a Hindu and a Muslim or between various people's understandings of those religions. But as you well know it becomes a running debate between science and supernatural. So I think a thread like this (or the theist or apatheist etc) will become preaching to the choir (so to speak) if no one of a differing opinion participates. The theist thread will ideally have theists patting themselves on the back and they will get bored. Opposing views will come along and take pot shots and all will basically devolve into the religion thread.

Just my two pennies worth of pseudointellectual smuggity.....

FTW!

I think the religion thread encompasses that but also what I mentioned as well.

As for threads like this,I dont know really.It might disappear or even end up getting locked or it might flourish and be a thread people still comment on for years to come.

#34 Posted by kuonphobos (4930 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader said:

I think the religion thread encompasses that but also what I mentioned as well.

As for threads like this,I dont know really.It might disappear or even end up getting locked or it might flourish and be a thread people still comment on for years to come.

Well at least it would be a place a bit more specific than the "religion" thread where we could take up our previous conversation about the relationship between atheism and Communism.

Might I ask (if it isn't too personal) what (if anything) led you to your current perspective on atheism? I mean I am obviously not an atheist but I don't harbor any real anger or hatred for either the system or it's followers. You on the other hand have demonstrated both a desire for respectful dialogue as well as the occasional barb at religious people.

One more question. Do you follow football (soccer) and if so any particular team? I have played and followed football for most of my life and was just interested.

#35 Edited by WillPayton (9829 posts) - - Show Bio

Atheism is a manifestation of the desire to know the truth. Religious people, while many or all will say they care about truth, are really just interested in believing what they want to believe. Here I mean "want" in the subconscious way. This is why it's rarely fruitful to have an argument or discussion about religion with a religious person... they dont want to hear anything that contradicts their established view.

#36 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18737 posts) - - Show Bio

@kuonphobos said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

I think the religion thread encompasses that but also what I mentioned as well.

As for threads like this,I dont know really.It might disappear or even end up getting locked or it might flourish and be a thread people still comment on for years to come.

Well at least it would be a place a bit more specific than the "religion" thread where we could take up our previous conversation about the relationship between atheism and Communism.

Might I ask (if it isn't too personal) what (if anything) led you to your current perspective on atheism? I mean I am obviously not an atheist but I don't harbor any real anger or hatred for either the system or it's followers. You on the other hand have demonstrated both a desire for respectful dialogue as well as the occasional barb at religious people.

One more question. Do you follow football (soccer) and if so any particular team? I have played and followed football for most of my life and was just interested.

Thats true I suppose it would.

I have never been really religious nor was I brought up in a particularly religious way.I stopped believing in god a long time ago (I never truly did,it was just because I was too young to understand certain things I believed in god) but I did believe in an after life for some time,because my parents are spiritualists.But I started to look into religion and belief,and debates on them that kind of thing and I began to broaden my mind more and more I soon realized there was no afterlife.And the more I learnt about religion the more I grew to dislike and disagree with it,the more I realized the power it had over so many peoples lives the awful things people did because of it etc.And the notion that it should not be questioned and how we (atheists) are discriminated against because of not been religious.And how wrong that was.I am anti religious but not "anti person" Meaning I dont really hold any hatred or anger against religious people,its the religion itself that I dont like and yes there are certainly alot of religious a holes I dont like,because they hold such hate filled and ignorant views.I also dont respect religious viewpoints what I do respect is that persons right to hold such views,even though I may not agree with them.

I suppose to sum it up I continuously thought about things and thought them over and over.

When you say perspective on atheism I presume you mean why am an atheist?

No I dont follow football not really that interested in it.

#37 Edited by kuonphobos (4930 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton said:

Atheism is a manifestation of the desire to know the truth. Religious people, while many or all will say they care about truth, are really just interested in believing what they want to believe. Here I mean "want" in the subconscious way. This is why it's rarely fruitful to have an argument or discussion about religion with a religious person... they dont want to hear anything that contradicts their established view.

I disagree. This is an assumption. Your points concerning the "religious" equally apply to the "non-religious". I am happy to hear points that disagree with my own view of reality. Perhaps one day someone will discover quality enough evidence to alter my position. You cannot possibly know how much I and many other theists struggle with our understanding of what is "true". As you and yours so abundantly point out, it is the religious who have the up hill fight.

@mrdecepticonleader

said:

I have never been really religious nor was I brought up in a particularly religious way.I stopped believing in god a long time ago (I never truly did,it was just because I was too young to understand certain things I believed in god) but I did believe in an after life for some time,because my parents are spiritualists.But I started to look into religion and belief,and debates on them that kind of thing and I began to broaden my mind more and more I soon realized there was no afterlife.And the more I learnt about religion the more I grew to dislike and disagree with it,the more I realized the power it had over so many peoples lives the awful things people did because of it etc.And the notion that it should not be questioned and how we (atheists) are discriminated against because of not been religious.And how wrong that was.I am anti religious but not "anti person" Meaning I dont really hold any hatred or anger against religious people,its the religion itself that I dont like and yes there are certainly alot of religious a holes I dont like,because they hold such hate filled and ignorant views.I also dont respect religious viewpoints what I do respect is that persons right to hold such views,even though I may not agree with them.

I suppose to sum it up I continuously thought about things and thought them over and over.

When you say perspective on atheism I presume you mean why am an atheist?

Yes. Thanks.

No I dont follow football not really that interested in it.

OK. Just was wondering. Hope there was no offense in my assumption that just because you are in Britian (right?) you are a football fan. I was actually just playing the odds.

#38 Posted by Chaos Burn (1789 posts) - - Show Bio

Atheist thread? Cool, anyone else read 'The Selfish Gene' yet? Quality book, would always recommend

#39 Posted by King Saturn (225186 posts) - - Show Bio
@_Hawk_ said:

Does this mean that there will be no more Atheist in the Religion thread?

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@kuonphobos said:

@_Hawk_ said:

Does this mean that there will be no more Atheist in the Religion thread?

heh heh

If that is the case then it also means there will be no more theists in the religion thread either.

@kuonphobos said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@kuonphobos said:

@_Hawk_ said:

Does this mean that there will be no more Atheist in the Religion thread?

heh heh

If that is the case then it also means there will be no more theists in the religion thread either.

It will become as quiet as a sanctuary.

 
You're not gonna escape me that easy... lol 
#40 Posted by kuonphobos (4930 posts) - - Show Bio

Heh heh....

Bring it! =)

#41 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18737 posts) - - Show Bio

@kuonphobos: No offence taken.

@King Saturn said:

@_Hawk_ said:

Does this mean that there will be no more Atheist in the Religion thread?

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@kuonphobos said:

@_Hawk_ said:

Does this mean that there will be no more Atheist in the Religion thread?

heh heh

If that is the case then it also means there will be no more theists in the religion thread either.

@kuonphobos said:

@mrdecepticonleader said:

@kuonphobos said:

@_Hawk_ said:

Does this mean that there will be no more Atheist in the Religion thread?

heh heh

If that is the case then it also means there will be no more theists in the religion thread either.

It will become as quiet as a sanctuary.


You're not gonna escape me that easy... lol

lol

#42 Posted by consolemaster001 (6130 posts) - - Show Bio

Yo imma bump this so atheists could just leave the religion thread and settle here.

#43 Edited by ARMIV2 (8856 posts) - - Show Bio

So, I was correct. Well, back on topic.

I never understood why Christians think that asking GOD to bless their food will protect them from sickness. We all know that blessings are delusions.

It's more of a sign of gratitude for being able to eat.

#44 Edited by NlGHTCRAWLER (2899 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: "Athiesm is just a manifestation of the desire to know the truth."

False. Atheism is the absolute absence of belief. You can give zero f#cks about Science and still be the perfect Athiest.

Somewhere along the line the term "Athiest" got confused with word "Scientist".

Just thought id put my two pennies in and I'm also sorry if I didn't quote what you said w4w, mobile.

EDIT: woops... Did not notice how old this thread was. Sorry for the reply.

#45 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18737 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: "Athiesm is just a manifestation of the desire to know the truth."

False. Atheism is the absolute absence of belief. You can give zero f#cks about Science and still be the perfect Athiest.

Somewhere along the line the term "Athiest" got confused with word "Scientist".

Just thought id put my two pennies in and I'm also sorry if I didn't quote what you said w4w, mobile.

EDIT: woops... Did not notice how old this thread was. Sorry for the reply.

Atheism is simply a lack of belief in god/gods not the absolute absence of belief.

#46 Edited by kuonphobos (4930 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader: Se I told you a thread like this was floating around out there. =)

You said: Atheism is simply a lack of belief in god/gods not the absolute absence of belief.

As a core boiled down definition yes but it means so much more than just a simple definition. It grows in it's purview when politics, ethics and philosophy are seen through it's lens.

I guess I am beginning to note a little dishonest agenda behind the idea that "atheism" can be boiled down to a simple definition and then just left in a vacuum. Like any view on reality a simple definition can only be truly understood by how it manifests in reality through the actions of those who hold it as true. Because different people come from differing political, ethical and philosophical systems each of their "atheist" presuppositions will be colored by the variations which will lead to a more multifaceted understanding of what it means (and looks like) to be "atheist".

#47 Posted by mrdecepticonleader (18737 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrdecepticonleader: Se I told you a thread like this was floating around out there. =)

You said: Atheism is simply a lack of belief in god/gods not the absolute absence of belief.

As a core boiled down definition yes but it means so much more than just a simple definition. It grows in it's purview when politics, ethics and philosophy are seen through it's lens.

I guess I am beginning to note a little dishonest agenda behind the idea that "atheism" can be boiled down to a simple definition and then just left in a vacuum. Like any view on reality a simple definition can only be truly understood by how it manifests in reality through the actions of those who hold it as true. Because different people come from differing political, ethical and philosophical systems each of their "atheist" presuppositions will be colored by the variations which will lead to a more multifaceted understanding of what it means (and looks like) to be "atheist".

Yes. But not one I made. But I am glad this one got bumped since I posted a link to the census thread I posted, and then I forgot what I called it. So that was nice.

That is all atheism is the definition I posted that is it. But people seem to always like to tack more onto the term, like assume that all atheists are left wing, are anti religion, are pro choice are for equal marriage etc. Someone who simply does not believe in god, meaning they are an atheist can be or support anything across the board. There is no single ideology or dogma or view point when it comes to simply not believing a god exists. One atheist is more than likely to have very little in common with another except they don't believe in a higher power.

And yeah the term atheist does not say much about you when compared with saying you are a Muslim or a liberal or whatever else. But it doesn't need to. What it does say is that you don't believe in god and you follow no religion. That is an important thing to identify as when we are in the minority, when the majority of the world still subscribe to religion.

#48 Edited by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20446 posts) - - Show Bio

So my friend said that a friend of his mother had these "demon dogs" because they killed these puppies, and I was like, "Why would God even make Satan in the first place if he knew he would be evil, to make those demon dogs? It doesn't make sense."

#49 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

So my friend said that a friend of his mother had these "demon dogs" because they killed these puppies, and I was like, "Why would God even make Satan in the first place if he knew he would be evil, to make those demon dogs? It doesn't make sense."

Omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent beings always screw around with logic. Lol

#50 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20446 posts) - - Show Bio

@_black said:

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek said:

So my friend said that a friend of his mother had these "demon dogs" because they killed these puppies, and I was like, "Why would God even make Satan in the first place if he knew he would be evil, to make those demon dogs? It doesn't make sense."

Omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent beings always screw around with logic. Lol

I know right. If you're omnipotent and omniscient, why would you knowingly make something evil?